2024 Copa América

Peen

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First game ive watched of brazil this tournament

Came to this thread to say… PEREIRA???
 
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PanniniClaus

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Having scored 2 goals in 4 games. Gareth Southgate's Canadian cousin the manager by any chance?
The cautious one and Marsch should not be confused. Canada have created chances every game and attempted to play on the front foot despite having less talent than England. Marsch has picked a system that plays up to the squads strengths and tries to hide the weaknesses. The professor of caution has designed a system to render all of his top players virtually ineffective and they hope for moments of magic by individuals. Should have been out in the round of 16.

If Canada could finish at an average rate for a top 50 nation, they would score 1.5 per game.
 

Duchene2MacKinnon

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Not surprised Brazil is out. Surprised it went to penalties lol. Neither Brasil nor Argentina are going to the final.
 

luiginb

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There used to be a time when Brazil would’ve punished Uruguay on the scoreboard in a game like this.

Sad how far Brazilian football has fallen.
Those were times when some rando from Wolverhampton wasn't even fit to shine the players boots. Now they are starting him.

Having scored 2 goals in 4 games. Gareth Southgate's Canadian cousin the manager by any chance?
Not the same thing. Canadians with a ton of chances (even against Argentina) but they finish like Darwin Nunez
 

gary69

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For decades Brazil used to have the best fullbacks/wingbacks in the world, why has that pipeline dried up now?

They still have good young forwards and some good enough CBs and keepers, but fullbacks seem to be a problem area. Midfield isn't anything special either, but you can call it passable.
 
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Karterthadon

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For decades Brazil used to have the best fullbacks/wingbacks in the world, why has that pipeline dried up now?

They still have good young forwards and some good enough CBs and keepers, but fullbacks seem to be a problem area. Midfield isn't anything special either, but you call it passable.
Their football is broken. It seems like having every single talented Brazilian player leave for Europe when they turn 18 has now started to have negative results all over the place. Their league is ridiculously bad and these European based players are not elevating the national team either.

Look at the current roster and the age they left for Europe:

1 GK Alisson 24
2 DF Danilo (captain) 21
3 DF Éder Militão 20
4 DF Marquinhos 18
5 MF Bruno Guimarães 23
6 DF Wendell 21
7 FW Vinícius Júnior 18
8 MF Lucas Paquetá 22
9 FW Endrick 18
10 FW Rodrygo 18
11 FW Raphinha 20
13 DF Yan Couto 18
14 DF Gabriel Magalhães 20
15 MF João Gomes 22
16 DF Guilherme Arana 21
17 DF Lucas Beraldo 20
18 MF Douglas Luiz 19
19 MF Andreas Pereira 18
20 FW Sávio 18
21 FW Evanilson 21
22 FW Gabriel Martinelli 18
24 MF Éderson 23
25 DF Bremer 21
26 FW Pepê 24

Having a mega talent like Neymar will mask a lot of flaws but hoping for a generational talent to fall in your lap is obviously not a long term solution to these issues. They would need to a find a way to ban Brazilian player from leaving the country until the age of 25 or something to revive their league and their football. Easier said than done obviously.
 

JeffreyLFC

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Their football is broken. It seems like having every single talented Brazilian player leave for Europe when they turn 18 has now started to have negative results all over the place. Their league is ridiculously bad and these European based players are not elevating the national team either.

Look at the current roster and the age they left for Europe:

1 GK Alisson 24
2 DF Danilo (captain) 21
3 DF Éder Militão 20
4 DF Marquinhos 18
5 MF Bruno Guimarães 23
6 DF Wendell 21
7 FW Vinícius Júnior 18
8 MF Lucas Paquetá 22
9 FW Endrick 18
10 FW Rodrygo 18
11 FW Raphinha 20
13 DF Yan Couto 18
14 DF Gabriel Magalhães 20
15 MF João Gomes 22
16 DF Guilherme Arana 21
17 DF Lucas Beraldo 20
18 MF Douglas Luiz 19
19 MF Andreas Pereira 18
20 FW Sávio 18
21 FW Evanilson 21
22 FW Gabriel Martinelli 18
24 MF Éderson 23
25 DF Bremer 21
26 FW Pepê 24

Having a mega talent like Neymar will mask a lot of flaws but hoping for a generational talent to fall in your lap is obviously not a long term solution to these issues. They would need to a find a way to ban Brazilian player from leaving the country until the age of 25 or something to revive their league and their football. Easier said than done obviously.
Neymar has been a flop for Brazil though. They never won anything with him. He was way more of a distraction than a difference maker.

They will be fine, they have way too much talent at every position. People easily forget but they also had a very long spell of failure between Pelé generation to R9/Romario generation. It is normal, IMO they need their star players to play more. A guy like Rodrygo or Endrick should be star at some decent club and not stay as a bench warmer at Real Madrid. This is why brazil is falling all their top young 18 years old players only join big clubs instead of making their way up. I miss the old days when Ronaldo joined PSV or Ronaldinho joined PSG (pre qatari shenanigans), they had to prove themselves instead of receiving everything on a silver plater.

I think brazilian is having a similar drought even though they won the copa america like 6 years ago. They will eventually rise back but they will need to have new players that bring back the brazilian flair. I have high hope Messinho is that guy although I am not sure Chelsea is the right player for him to develop.
 
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