Prospect Info: [2024 - 5th] Ivan Motherbleeping Demidov (RW), SKA St. Petersburg (MHL)

[Adam Michaels]

Agreed. The only thing I see working for SKA is offering him $5M for one more season. When does Demidov qualify for a 2 year ELC? Does that apply if he stays there next year and signs with the Habs for 26/27? Gets $5M now and then has a chance to max out the ELC for 2 years and then a big pay day.

Not saying I want SKA to do this but I just don't understand their strategy

He will sign a 3-year ELC.

2-Year ELCs are for players who are 22-23 years old when they sign. Even if Demidov stays in KHL for another year, he will be 20 when he signs with MTL, so it will still be a 3-year ELC.

 

[JeffreyLFC]

This is kind of reminding me of the Malkin situation...

 

[Kennerback]

Thinking out loud, but if I’m SKA the closer to the end of the season the closer I’d be willing to agree to a buyout. At some point a hard cash payment will outweigh any value in punishing Demidov. There’s a tipping point somewhere.

 

[Redux91]

According to sources in Russia near the situation, Demidov refused a 1 year up to $1M contract extension three times last month which is the reason why he’s being glued to the bench.

https://www.tvasports.ca/2024/10/17/trois-offres-refusees-pourquoi-ivan-demidov-serait-cloue-au-banc-en-russie

What a shocker
But there's a poster in here would have you think you're craaaaaazy to believe such crazy notions

 

[BLONG7]

Their end game has always been to keep him for another couple of seasons..........their coach is a donkey, but nothing the kid can do.
The coach seems to be a Therrien like idiot and will not change his mind.
This will be a long season for the kid, and the fans. Too bad.

I would think the habs knew this could possibly happen.

 

[Kennerback]

Demidov seems to me high IQ enough to know that if he caves and stays a year more, he’ll be subject to the exact same pressure again next year, and each and every year after that.

 

[Trenbohabs]

Yes, Demidov and Hage looks very special out there. They will transform the forward group. Even if Dach and Laine don't stay healthy, management have great hope for Demidov and Hage. Hage have literally top 6 C potential and can be a very good one. The future is very bright with both in the system.

The best thing that could happen if Hage becoming a ppg player for this rebuild! Add to this our 2 1st round picks this year and next year is time to push Tampa and Boston out of the playoffs!

What if Hage becomes a superstar and bumps Suzuki out of the 1st line? Futur will tell but damn

Slaf Hage Demidov
Caufield Suzuki top 10 2025
XX Dach XX

 

[Saundies]

Demidov seems to me high IQ enough to know that if he caves and stays a year more, he’ll be subject to the exact same pressure again next year, and each and every year after that.

He won't succumb. The Habs are so invested in him that I guarantee they talk all of the time. Any assurance he'd need of playing time or getting a shot with the big club next year would be put to rest with a simple phone call.

We as fans will just have to accept that this is going to be a bit of an erratic year for him icetime-wise. Then he's coming.

 

[The Last Red]

Demidov probably has an ego too and sees what his "buddy" Matvei is up to - they apparently communicate with each other regularly - and probably thinks he's just as good, if not better, than him, which he can only demonstrate by playing in the NHL.

 

[Draft]

That’s a pretty weak offer from CSKA… seems more like theatre than a legitimate attempt to develop what could be a premiere Russian talent at home. That or their funds aren’t quite what we expect them to be.

 

[Pompeius Magnus]

Be strong Ivan, all you have to do is hold on for this season and then you're free from this clown show. Might be a good idea to keep your loved ones safe in the meantime, though.

 

[habdynasty]

Better keep his mouth shut or bad things will happen.

 

[The Gr8 Dane]

Like Bergevin you just have to listen to what comes out of his mouth.

Yeah its quite alarming when day 1 of Bergevin's job has you thinking "Holy smokes this guy sounds like an idiot , I gotta look up if he finished high school"

 

[Next Best Thing]

Yeah its quite alarming when day 1 of Bergevin's job has you thinking "Holy smokes this guy sounds like an idiot , I gotta look up if he finished high school"

Proabably one of those honorary diplomas for participation.

 

[417]

This was obvious... Their coach came out in the media at the beginning of the season and said that staying longer in SKA would be the best thing for Demidov's development as he "might not be ready" for the NHL and the AHL was a goon league essentially. This told you all you needed to know that they were attempting to sign him for a longer time.

Everything we've heard about Demidov says he wants to come over ASAP so this was always going to be a rock and a hard place situation.

What I don't really get is why they would think would be effective? Any normal human being is going to harbor resentment toward the organization doing this rather than feeling favourable to signing another year. You'd think some more carrot and less stick would go a long way.

It is Russia though.

I get that it's journalists job to report news...but these kind of articles won't help the situation.

Just let the guy/team run the team like he sees fit, sucks for us, but it's a temporary situation. The less interference and public pressure, the better it will be for him.

 

[Canadiens Ghost]

Like I said here before, HuGo were well aware that they would not be able to control his development this year . . . but they still drafted him at 5OA. They obviously were willing to live with that, especially after their monumental screw-up last year at 5OA.

Apparently you can see the future. Could I have this week's lottery numbers please?

 

[HomaridII]

The Swiss decided not to honour KHL contracts.

https://x.com/i/web/status/1846941918422241772

They don't really have to since the KHL is not part of the IIHF.

This follows Ivan Ryabkin who is under contract with Dynamo Moscow but will join the Muskegon Lumberjacks of the USHL, simply not honouring his KHL deal.

NHL, your move.

 

[Habs Halifax]

The Swiss decided not to honour KHL contracts.

https://x.com/i/web/status/1846941918422241772

They don't really have to since the KHL is not part of the IIHF.

This follows Ivan Ryabkin who is under contract with Dynamo Moscow but will join the Muskegon Lumberjacks of the USHL, simply not honouring his KHL deal.

NHL, your move.

Isn't that the risk of the player/agent? KHL decided years ago to not take part of the transfer agreement so what are the legal impacts they can take if players decide not to stay and honor their KHL contract?

What liabilities does the other league have if they allow a signing like that?

I'm not sure but my hunch says the liabilities falls on the player/agent.

 

[salbutera]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1846883866654499069

 

[tooji]

I guess the plan was to neg him, wreck his confidence to the point where he believes he actually needs more time with SKA to succeed as a player??

 

[morhilane]

Isn't that the risk of the player/agent? KHL decided years ago to not take part of the transfer agreement so what are the legal impacts they can take if players decide not to stay and honor their KHL contract?

What liabilities does the other league have if they allow a signing like that?

I'm not sure but my hunch says the liabilities falls on the player/agent.

The KHL was still part of the IIHF until last July (when they broke up with the Russian Hockey Federation). As long as they were part of the IIHF, contractual dispute, like this one, could be appealed to the IIHF and they would punish the guilty parties (see Flyers- Ivan Federov stuff from a few years ago). Now the KHL has no power (or voice) to enforce their contract outside of Russia.

 

[HomaridII]

The KHL was still part of the IIHF until last July (when they broke up with the Russian Hockey Federation). As long as they were part of the IIHF, contractual dispute, like this one, could be appealed to the IIHF and they would punish the guilty parties (see Flyers- Ivan Federov stuff from a few years ago). Now the KHL has no power (or voice) to enforce their contract outside of Russia.

Exactly, they have to use KHL rules only to enforce it and honestly who gives a shit. Kristof is slovakian, when is he going back to Russia?

Its a dangerous precedent for the KHL and non-russian players. Zero leverage.

BTW, the fact that they parted with the Russian Hockey Federation, also means that the Canadiens can at ANY time negotiate directly with SKA compensation to release Demidov.

 

[overlords]

I guess the plan was to neg him, wreck his confidence to the point where he believes he actually needs more time with SKA to succeed as a player??

Rotenberg follows the D.E.N.N.I.S. system

 

[morhilane]

BTW, the fact that they parted with the Russian Hockey Federation, also means that the Canadiens can at ANY time negotiate directly with SKA compensation to release Demidov.

They can't, the NHL CBA forbids it (old rule that forbid dealing players with any leagues that aren't under a NHL transferer agreement).

 

[Habs Halifax]

Exactly, they have to use KHL rules only to enforce it and honestly who gives a shit. Kristof is slovakian, when is he going back to Russia?

Its a dangerous precedent for the KHL and non-russian players. Zero leverage.

BTW, the fact that they parted with the Russian Hockey Federation, also means that the Canadiens can at ANY time negotiate directly with SKA compensation to release Demidov.

With the Habs using Price to get well under the cap, we should have a few dollars kicking around to pay SKA and get Demidov over here?

They can't, the NHL CBA forbids it (old rule that forbid dealing players with any leagues that aren't under a NHL transferer agreement).

Good luck proving anything with a behind the scenes deal. I'm pretty sure the Flyers pulled that off with Michkov