Around the League 46: Sharks Finally Yank A Win Out Of Their Cloaca

[tarheelhockey]

What's weird is Buffalo had all the pieces needed to be successful. They had a 1C (Eichel), a 2C (ROR), a 50-goal scorer (Reinhart), a 1D (Dahlin) and a true #1 goalie (Ullmark)

Yet they were unable to keep most of them

What’s even weirder is that the picture didn’t really look like that until they all got the hell out of Buffalo. I’ve never seen anything quite like this from another franchise (NHL or otherwise) where injections of elite talent have seemingly no effect.

 

[Chrispy]

What’s even weirder is that the picture didn’t really look like that until they all got the hell out of Buffalo. I’ve never seen anything quite like this from another franchise (NHL or otherwise) where injections of elite talent have seemingly no effect.

I've seen it short-term with a single coach, but over many years with multiple coaches and GMs and even owners?

They built KeyBank on burial ground, didn't they?

 

[chaz4hockey]

What's weird is Buffalo had all the pieces needed to be successful. They had a 1C (Eichel), a 2C (ROR), a 50-goal scorer (Reinhart), a 1D (Dahlin) and a true #1 goalie (Ullmark)

Yet they were unable to keep most of them

If Eichel, ROR and Reinhart were producing in Buffalo I don’t think they would have Dahlin nor probably Ullmark.

 

[Svechhammer]

Here's the latest:

First of all, how did this thread become about TDA and not Artamonov

Secondly, GTFO with that mindset, Dom.

 

[Anton Dubinchuk]

Yeah that’s really dumb from Dom lol

 

[Discipline Daddy]

Like I disagree to the end with Tony's politics, but most of what he's hated for are just speculation. I'm not going to vote for Tony for president, but that doesn't mean that I can't be in the same room with the guy. Geez. You make things worse when you put your fingers in your ears when you're near someone you disagree with.

By all his actions as a Canes player, he seemed like a great teammate and a helpful mentor towards others.

 

[hblueridgegal]

Nashville is apparently ready to pursue Cozens as part of their comeback plan. How do they have $?

 

[WreckingCrew]

What's weird is Buffalo had all the pieces needed to be successful. They had a 1C (Eichel), a 2C (ROR), a 50-goal scorer (Reinhart), a 1D (Dahlin) and a true #1 goalie (Ullmark)

Yet they were unable to keep most of them

What’s even weirder is that the picture didn’t really look like that until they all got the hell out of Buffalo. I’ve never seen anything quite like this from another franchise (NHL or otherwise) where injections of elite talent have seemingly no effect.

Even more damning is they had top 10 picks 10 years straight, and like 13 first round picks overall (2013-2022). Outside of VERY early 2nd round picks (Compher, Samuelsson, Peterka), the only guys that have "hit" in any semi-significant way are Olofsson, Borgen, & Hagel. Some of those guys only broke out after leaving Buffalo. Maybe their scouting/drafting sucks, or their development? They've had supporting cast but never much of an identity?

 

[WreckingCrew]

Here's the latest:

Makes Dom look like a total POS..."couldn't pass up the opportunity to dunk on Tony"? Wow, so you agreed just so you could harass and try to bully someone? And then a few of the Twitter mob got mad that you were giving him a "platform"...to what, speak, exist? I doubt it was just going to be "So Tony tell us everything you think about politics" free-for-all. And then you gave into the mob and cancelled altogether because...Lacking a backbone? Knew you wouldn't add anything or be able to defend your stances? Should have just cancelled and let that be it at "no comment" or "i changed my mind", the "apology" comes across as incredibly insincere, echo-chamber-y, and narcissistic.

 

[AD Skinner]

What’s even wilder to me is that when I was a kid i remember how the Sabres were consistently pretty good. A lot of that may have been Hasek but from 87 to 01 they missed the playoffs only once

 

[Svechhammer]

Makes Dom look like a total POS..."couldn't pass up the opportunity to dunk on Tony"? Wow, so you agreed just so you could harass and try to bully someone? And then a few of the Twitter mob got mad that you were giving him a "platform"...to what, speak, exist? I doubt it was just going to be "So Tony tell us everything you think about politics" free-for-all. And then you gave into the mob and cancelled altogether because...Lacking a backbone? Knew you wouldn't add anything or be able to defend your stances? Should have just cancelled and let that be it at "no comment" or "i changed my mind", the "apology" comes across as incredibly insincere, echo-chamber-y, and narcissistic.

Its truly impressive watching him try to virtue signal, cancel someone, and play the victim all while himself being the person who aggressively instigated all of it.

 

[Blueline Bomber]

Yeah, unless TDA did or said something problematic on the podcast (which is probably 50/50 with him), I don't see what the issue is. I also don't get why Dom is apologizing for another person's podcast having TDA on. He didn't give him a platform. They both joined a podcast hosted by someone else

 

[tarheelhockey]

Even more damning is they had top 10 picks 10 years straight, and like 13 first round picks overall (2013-2022). Outside of VERY early 2nd round picks (Compher, Samuelsson, Peterka), the only guys that have "hit" in any semi-significant way are Olofsson, Borgen, & Hagel. Some of those guys only broke out after leaving Buffalo. Maybe their scouting/drafting sucks, or their development? They've had supporting cast but never much of an identity?

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To me that is just too much to be explained away by scouting. They might have made a reach or two in that time, but for the most part, top-10 picks are easily identifiable and agreed upon by everyone.

There has to be something within the organization to explain how so many highly touted players’ development is stifled until they leave and break out elsewhere. Whether it’s coaching, culture, inertia, outright bad luck, whatever.

 

[A Star is Burns]

Can we move whatever this stupidity is to some other thread?

 

[tarheelhockey]

To me that is just too much to be explained away by scouting. They might have made a reach or two in that time, but for the most part, top-10 picks are easily identifiable and agreed upon by everyone.

There has to be something within the organization to explain how so many highly touted players’ development is stifled until they leave and break out elsewhere. Whether it’s coaching, culture, inertia, outright bad luck, whatever.

Just following on this thread of thought, here are the Sabres’ draft picks in the top 50 since 2012, noting their draft placement and including their career NHL games in parentheses:

1 Rasmus Dahlin (461)
1 Owen Power (194)
2 Jack Eichel (570)
2 Sam Reinhart (727)
7 Dylan Cozens (311)
8 Alex Nylander (126)
8 Casey Mittelstadt (389)
8 Jack Quinn (129)
8 Rasmus Ristolainen (744)
9 Matthew Savoie (1)
12 Mikhail Grigorenko (249)
13 Zach Benson (96)
14 Zemgus Girgensons (716)
14 Konsta Helenius
14 Isak Rosen (8)
16 Noah Ostlund
16 Nikita Zadorov (674)
28 Jiri Kulich (22)
31 Ryan Johnson (44)
31 Brendan Lemieux (307)
32 Mattias Samuelsson (166)
33 Rasmus Asplund (183)
33 Prokhor Poltapov
34 JJ Peterka (190)
35 JT Compher (529)
37 Marcus Davidsson
38 Connor Hurley
39 Anton Wahlberg
41 Topias Lehnonen
42 Adam Kleber
44 Eric Cornel
44 Jake McCabe (603)
45 Maxim Strbak
49 Vaclav Karabacek

Bolded players are still on the roster.

I know the draft gets dicey outside the top-10 or so, that the likelihood of a “hit” falls off fast and becomes almost random. But beyond their 1OA and 2OA picks, that’s a remarkable dearth of quality NHL seasons resulting from over a decade of drafting. They got that one 30-goal year from Cozens, and otherwise it’s is just a bunch of generic roster filler and trade bait/journeymen.

Can we move whatever this stupidity is to some other thread?

A thread other than the one where we discuss other NHL teams?

 

[Big Daddy Cane]

I think that’s in reference to the DeAngelo stuff. This is exactly the right place to dunk on Buffalo.

 

[Lempo]

Who will be on the auction block?

Apparently Kaapo Kakko was healthy scratch.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

We have one Finnish KK, why not another?

 

[Svechhammer]

We have one Finnish KK, why not another?

Why not just swap KK for KK