2024/25 Trade Rumours, Speculation etc Thread

[WolfHouse]

No idea how people afford that. I would think alot of people never get rid of a mortgage nowadays.

Was going to buy my buddys property 1 hour outside of whitehorse - 5 acres with a half finished building on it, mostly sandy acreage... 699k... rural land so id need a $300k deposit to get financing... fkn insane

 

[10Ducky10]

Was going to buy my buddys property 1 hour outside of whitehorse - 5 acres with a half finished building on it, mostly sandy acreage... 699k... rural land so id need a $300k deposit to get financing... fkn insane

Tagish?

 

[WolfHouse]

Tagish?

Right beside the Carcross desert - like actual sand on half the land...

I mean I don't know if he'll get it - but I also missed on 1.2 acres way down Annie Lake Road with a black mold cabin on its for 350k last year... so im sure someone will pony up

 

[wraithsonwings]

Every person I know who has bought an $800,000 house in there swears to God that they can't smell the dump when there's a south wind but I don't know how that's possible

I call BS too. I live farther away (in St. Norbert) and sometimes we can smell it.

 

[lanky]

Years ago CTV News did a story on some people in those $800,000 houses who were outraged that they lived so close to the dump and could smell it. They were aware of the dump before buying but they assumed it would be moved.

 

[DRW204]

I want Ehlers re-signed , he's a entertaining player to watch but obviously there is limit to how much you give him. Let's remember , alot of people are pissed at our playoff record and Ehlers at 4 goals and 10 assists in 37 playoff games isn't helping with that. Again i want him re-signed though because he's a good player that's fun to watch play.

i agree ehlers needs to be better and produce in the POs. however, if he scores 1PPG last POs vs COL for example, it doesn't make a difference in that series as the entire team was awful. he was also a -1 at 5v5 so not like he got utterly dominated but ofc this is a player who is generally heavy in the positive. Like Hellebuyck he hasn't displayed that consistent regular season dominance in the POs. I think EDM was the last series for both actually where they were both standouts.

did you want blake wheeler re-signed by the Jets?
prior to 17-18: he had 27gp and 7pt in the POs for a player in the regular season who was playing at a 56 pt/82gp at the time. i don't think teams are basing multi-year contracts on a small number of games where a cold streak (or hot) can heavily sway PPG one way or the other.

i do think PO intensity does get heightened, i see Ehlers as more of a high rush/finesse offensive player but i don't think i would label him soft. he isn't going to be a garbage-goal guy (think PLD, Namestnikov), but i don't think he shys away from battling, blocking shots, playing with a bit of bite/edge at times.

 

[DRW204]

When the Jets re-signed Scheifele and Hellebuyck, continued to trade futures for rentals, and held onto own UFA rentals like Ehlers, Iafallo, Appleton, Pionk, they were in essence going all in on the past couple of seasons and the next few. They can't really go half-baked now. All of the main contenders have core players on contracts that will age poorly. Draisaitl will be making 14M at 37, Rantanen 12M through 37. McDavid will be making 16M+ as a 38 year old. On the Jets, Scheifele and Hellebuyck will be 37 in their last contract years, and Connor and Morrissey will follow them.

In contrast to other teams, the Jets core players will be making 2/3 or less of the salary of other top contenders' stars. More importantly, in contrast to many other contenders the Jets can't just take the 7M extra from letting Ehlers go to fill the roster via free agency. They are also constrained from getting prime players on the trade market due to trade restrictions. Also, you gotta give to get, and the Jets' prospect and pick pool has been diminished by years of trades.

Now is also a different cap world than when Wheeler and Schmidt contracts caused problems... the flat cap era created a crunch, but the big cap inflation of the next few years will create more than enough space for a team like the Jets that thrives with depth of talent.

Ehlers is a luxury that the Jets can afford, so why not keep him?

agreed with this. the Jets have the 5th most cap-space in the league so not like they are extremely crunched, i really can't see any team offering ehlers 10m. contract proj. i've seen are in the 7.5-8m range & 8-8.25M i think is close to what he gets in UFA, and that falls right under Scheifele which was similar to their first contracts. definitely can see it playing out that way.

i've seen people brought up examples of Stamkos leaving.... Tampa can replace Stamkos with Guentzel, who is the high caliber fwd that the Jets are bringing in? Or a trade replacement: Vegas letting Stephenson walk with the Hertl acquisition. If the Jets continue with stacking the top line with CSV, in my view, they need speed and someone to produce chances and points offensively consistently on for the 2nd line. Prospects..... perhaps, but like you said the Jets are a win-now type of team. maybe they do that next year, but i wouldn't count in a prominent top-6 role and being relied upon to be drivers or produce like ehlers offensively. Definitely did not have the prospect infusion this year like many posters were expecting as Bowness moved on (other than a few gp during injuries).

 

[Buffdog]

agreed with this. the Jets have the 5th most cap-space in the league so not like they are extremely crunched, i really can't see any team offering ehlers 10m. contract proj. i've seen are in the 7.5-8m range & 8-8.25M i think is close to what he gets in UFA, and that falls right under Scheifele which was similar to their first contracts. definitely can see it playing out that way.

i've seen people brought up examples of Stamkos leaving.... Tampa can replace Stamkos with Guentzel, who is the high caliber fwd that the Jets are bringing in? Or a trade replacement: Vegas letting Stephenson walk with the Hertl acquisition. If the Jets continue with stacking the top line with CSV, in my view, they need speed and someone to produce chances and points offensively consistently on for the 2nd line.

How much of that cap space gets eaten up with Lowry, Vilardi, Perfetti, Samberg, Pionk, and Connor's next deals? Add Ehelrs, and it's getting up there. Those are all up between now and then end of next season.

Lowry, Vilardi, and Perfetti all have deals starting with a 3 right now, and are providing amazing value. Samberg is only getting paid 1.4M this year (wow). All of these guys are due for huge raises

I haven't crunched the numbers, but I'm assuming that if they all sign reasonable market-rate contracts, we should be good?

 

[WolfHouse]

This is a similar debate as we had before scheif and helle contracts - i dont think anyone believed that both of them would sign at 8.5m... i remember talk of helle at 12 or 14 per year which he probably should be getting...

Chevy always pulls this stuff off - if theres a deal to be done, he will get it done...

 

[SLAYER]

This is a similar debate as we had before scheif and helle contracts - i dont think anyone believed that both of them would sign at 8.5m... i remember talk of helle at 12 or 14 per year which he probably should be getting...

Chevy always pulls this stuff off - if theres a deal to be done, he will get it done...

I think that Chef and Helly both prioritize winning and want to have a winning team. They're both hungry for success - them taking a bit less allows for Chevy to build a more competitive team.

Also, the 10M+ goalie contracts are crazy... and even with high taxes, getting paid in USD to live in Winnipeg is a good deal.

 

[kanadalainen]

Every person I know who has bought an $800,000 house in there swears to God that they can't smell the dump when there's a south wind but I don't know how that's possible

The methane gusts are real on any day exceeding 20*C. If we hold them to their words, I guess its possible that these folks may have wiped out their sensory neurons with heavy drink. Further, its difficult to smell things when your nasal passages are clogged with vomit.

 

[kanadalainen]

That's what she said.

I'm sorry. I'll see myself out but it was just kind of hanging there.

 

[DRW204]

I’m lol’ing at Dallas. That trade may have made them slightly better. But at what long term cost?? Two first and a fat contract that they could easily regret??

Oh

 

[Tasteless Beaver]

After last night’s performance, I may be ready give Samberg 8x8. Just sign the man, he’s as legit as it gets.

 

[gojetsgo]

they were talking about ehlers on overdrive and noodles said ehlers is a ufa and dreger said the jets want to keep him

 

[Adam da bomb]

they were talking about ehlers on overdrive and noodles said ehlers is a ufa and dreger said the jets want to keep him

They probably do want to keep him at the right price.

 

[Flair Hay]

How much of that cap space gets eaten up with Lowry, Vilardi, Perfetti, Samberg, Pionk, and Connor's next deals? Add Ehelrs, and it's getting up there. Those are all up between now and then end of next season.

Lowry, Vilardi, and Perfetti all have deals starting with a 3 right now, and are providing amazing value. Samberg is only getting paid 1.4M this year (wow). All of these guys are due for huge raises

I haven't crunched the numbers, but I'm assuming that if they all sign reasonable market-rate contracts, we should be good?

For 25-26:

Forwards:
Connor ($7.143M) - Scheifele ($8.5M) - Vilardi ($7.25M)
Perfetti ($3.25M) - Namestnikov ($3M) - Ehlers ($7.75M)
Niederreiter ($4M) - Lowry ($3.25M) - Appleton (UFA)
Iafallo ($3.66M) - Barron ($1.5M) - Tanev (UFA)
Gustafsson ($1M) - Kupari ($1M)

Defense:
Morrissey ($6.25M) - DeMelo ($4.75M)
Samberg ($5M) - Pionk ($7M)
Fleury ($1.25M) - Schenn ($2.75M)
Miller ($1.5M) Stanley ($1.25M)

Goaltenders:
Hellebuyck ($8.5M)
Comrie ($1.5M)

Total Cap
For 26-27:
Forwards:
Connor ($8.5M) - Scheifele ($8.5M) - Vilardi ($7.25M)
Perfetti ($5M) - Namestnikov ($3M) - Ehlers ($7.75M)
Niederreiter ($4M) - Lowry ($4M) - [ELC Filler] ($0.9M)
Iafallo ($3.66M) - Barron ($1.5M) - [ELC Filler] ($0.9M)
Kupari ($1M) - Gustafsson (UFA)

Defense:
Morrissey ($6.25M) - DeMelo ($4.75M)
Samberg ($5M) - Pionk ($7M)
[ELC Filler] ($0.9M) - Schenn (UFA)
Miller (UFA)
Stanley (UFA)

Goaltenders:
Hellebuyck ($8.5M)
Comrie (UFA)

Total Cap Hit (19 players, excl. Gustafsson/Schenn/Miller/Stanley/Comrie): $86.71M
Cap Space ($104M cap): $17.29M

 

[voyageur]

For 25-26:

Forwards:
Connor ($7.143M) - Scheifele ($8.5M) - Vilardi ($7.25M)
Perfetti ($3.25M) - Namestnikov ($3M) - Ehlers ($7.75M)
Niederreiter ($4M) - Lowry ($3.25M) - Appleton (UFA)
Iafallo ($3.66M) - Barron ($1.5M) - Tanev (UFA)
Gustafsson ($1M) - Kupari ($1M)

Defense:
Morrissey ($6.25M) - DeMelo ($4.75M)
Samberg ($5M) - Pionk ($7M)
Fleury ($1.25M) - Schenn ($2.75M)
Miller ($1.5M) Stanley ($1.25M)

Goaltenders:
Hellebuyck ($8.5M)
Comrie ($1.5M)

Total Cap
For 26-27:
Forwards:
Connor ($8.5M) - Scheifele ($8.5M) - Vilardi ($7.25M)
Perfetti ($5M) - Namestnikov ($3M) - Ehlers ($7.75M)
Niederreiter ($4M) - Lowry ($4M) - [ELC Filler] ($0.9M)
Iafallo ($3.66M) - Barron ($1.5M) - [ELC Filler] ($0.9M)
Kupari ($1M) - Gustafsson (UFA)

Defense:
Morrissey ($6.25M) - DeMelo ($4.75M)
Samberg ($5M) - Pionk ($7M)
[ELC Filler] ($0.9M) - Schenn (UFA)
Miller (UFA)
Stanley (UFA)

Goaltenders:
Hellebuyck ($8.5M)
Comrie (UFA)

Total Cap Hit (19 players, excl. Gustafsson/Schenn/Miller/Stanley/Comrie): $86.71M
Cap Space ($104M cap): $17.29M

Interesting numbers. I think discrepancy between KC and Ehlers ends up being more than $750 000.

I think you went low with Samberg, Perfetti and Barron's numbers. Also wouldn't surprise me if Gus is waived next year, and JAD holds down 13th forward.

I think with Ehlers there has to be a term that works. I wouldn't give him more than Pionk's 6 years. Worse case scenario is spending to the Cap to keep him and then having no flexibility to replace him when he gets injured, as Chevy has steered clear of LTIR since he had to manouver Little's salary, which he eventually traded.

 

[surixon]

For 25-26:

Forwards:
Connor ($7.143M) - Scheifele ($8.5M) - Vilardi ($7.25M)
Perfetti ($3.25M) - Namestnikov ($3M) - Ehlers ($7.75M)
Niederreiter ($4M) - Lowry ($3.25M) - Appleton (UFA)
Iafallo ($3.66M) - Barron ($1.5M) - Tanev (UFA)
Gustafsson ($1M) - Kupari ($1M)

Defense:
Morrissey ($6.25M) - DeMelo ($4.75M)
Samberg ($5M) - Pionk ($7M)
Fleury ($1.25M) - Schenn ($2.75M)
Miller ($1.5M) Stanley ($1.25M)

Goaltenders:
Hellebuyck ($8.5M)
Comrie ($1.5M)

Total Cap
For 26-27:
Forwards:
Connor ($8.5M) - Scheifele ($8.5M) - Vilardi ($7.25M)
Perfetti ($5M) - Namestnikov ($3M) - Ehlers ($7.75M)
Niederreiter ($4M) - Lowry ($4M) - [ELC Filler] ($0.9M)
Iafallo ($3.66M) - Barron ($1.5M) - [ELC Filler] ($0.9M)
Kupari ($1M) - Gustafsson (UFA)

Defense:
Morrissey ($6.25M) - DeMelo ($4.75M)
Samberg ($5M) - Pionk ($7M)
[ELC Filler] ($0.9M) - Schenn (UFA)
Miller (UFA)
Stanley (UFA)

Goaltenders:
Hellebuyck ($8.5M)
Comrie (UFA)

Total Cap Hit (19 players, excl. Gustafsson/Schenn/Miller/Stanley/Comrie): $86.71M
Cap Space ($104M cap): $17.29M

I think your quite low on most of your projections. No way do we get Cole at $5 million or Conner at 8.5 million with the cap going up. I'd say Lowry gets $5 million.

You are looking at $7.5 million for Perfetti as that is what an equivalent player in Lafreniere signed off his bridge.

Your looking at 9.5 million minimum for KC.

Edit:

If KC signed the same contract as Helle and Mark using a $104 million cap as the basis his AAV would be $10 million. If he wants closer to market value of his contempories like Nylander, Marner, Rantanen etc we are looking at $11 million aav.

 

[Adam da bomb]

Interesting numbers. I think discrepancy between KC and Ehlers ends up being more than $750 000.

I think you went low with Samberg, Perfetti and Barron's numbers. Also wouldn't surprise me if Gus is waived next year, and JAD holds down 13th forward.

I think with Ehlers there has to be a term that works. I wouldn't give him more than Pionk's 6 years. Worse case scenario is spending to the Cap to keep him and then having no flexibility to replace him when he gets injured, as Chevy has steered clear of LTIR since he had to manouver Little's salary, which he eventually traded.

Yep there is a bigger difference between a 90 pt guy and a 60 pt guy he was on his way with 1st pp minutes, but, couldn’t stay healthy.. One stays healthy, and Ehlers has yet to prove himself a playoff player this playoffs and kc is near the the top in playoff points.

 

[Flair Hay]

I think your quite low on most of your projections. No way do we get Cole at $5 million or Conner at 8.5 million with the cap going up. I'd say Lowry gets $5 million.

You are looking at $7.5 million for Perfetti as that is what an equivalent player in Lafreniere signed off his bridge.

Your looking at 9.5 million minimum for KC.

Interesting numbers. I think discrepancy between KC and Ehlers ends up being more than $750 000.

I think you went low with Samberg, Perfetti and Barron's numbers. Also wouldn't surprise me if Gus is waived next year, and JAD holds down 13th forward.

I think with Ehlers there has to be a term that works. I wouldn't give him more than Pionk's 6 years. Worse case scenario is spending to the Cap to keep him and then having no flexibility to replace him when he gets injured, as Chevy has steered clear of LTIR since he had to manouver Little's salary, which he eventually traded.

I just threw in a request for a summary from AI to assign the guys deals based on market rates for @Buffdog to see what the cap flexibility looks like. Anyone can mix and match different numbers for players. I agree with you both. Perfetti probably 6.5, vilardi 7.5, Samberg 5.5, Connor 10.5, Lowry 4.5, etc

It looks like we have the room and if we want to maintain some flexibility that would mean letting Appleton and/or Tanev go

 

[surixon]

I just threw in a request for a summary from AI to assign the guys deals based on market rates for @Buffdog to see what the cap flexibility looks like. Anyone can mix and match different numbers for players. I agree with you both. Perfetti probably 6.5, vilardi 7.5, Samberg 5.5, Connor 10.5, Lowry 4.5, etc

It looks like we have the room and if we want to maintain some flexibility that would mean letting Appleton and/or Tanev go

Gotcha. I think the org needs to continue to acquire players who fit our identity while making some hard calls on those who don't.

Ehlers would be the toughest one imo. He's incredibly skilled but his ad hoc style of game does tend to clash at times with the system and his linemates.

 

[Adam da bomb]

Gotcha. I think the org needs to continue to acquire players who fit our identity while making some hard calls on those who don't.

Ehlers would be the toughest one imo. He's incredibly skilled but his ad hoc style of game does tend to clash at times with the system and his linemates.

But Wpg hard to acquire fa who might fit.

 

[WolfHouse]

If we get samberg for less than 7 then they should build a statue of chevy

 

[Eyeseeing]

Yep there is a bigger difference between a 90 pt guy and a 60 pt guy he was on his way with 1st pp minutes, but, couldn’t stay healthy.. One stays healthy, and Ehlers has yet to prove himself a playoff player this playoffs and kc is near the the top in playoff points.

You didn’t see game 7 ?