Speculation: 2024/25 Trade Rumours, Speculation etc Thread

[Whileee]

Yes they will absolutely need cheap ELC and bridge deals to fill gaps on the roster. We are benefiting from Snerg, Vilardi, and Perfetti bridge deals right now and as you say when they get market deals we will that prospect depth to provide cost controlled support.

I imagine the prioritize Pionk over Ehlers.

I think the Jets will be fairly comfortable, even with Ehlers, and could even fit Appleton, if needed.

Here's a roster with $4M in cap space next season, and a full 23-player roster.

Ehlers @ $8.5M
Vilardi @ $8M
Pionk @ $6.5M
Samberg @ $5.75M

 

[bustamente]

I think the Jets will be fairly comfortable, even with Ehlers, and could even fit Appleton, if needed.

Here's a roster with $4M in cap space next season, and a full 23-player roster.

Ehlers @ $8.5M
Vilardi @ $8M
Pionk @ $6.5M
Samberg @ $5.75M
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So Apples and Iafallo move on and are replaced by Chibby and Lambert, prospects need to get into this lineup sooner or later. Still a pretty good looking lineup the only wrench would be Ehlers walking and how they would replace him.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Yup. There are basically 3 unicorn type players: a legit top 2 C, a top pair RHD and a bona fide starting goalie.

They are rare, and practically everyone is looking for them. Then you consider the added difficulties of a high tax, bad weather, small market team like Winnipeg and you can see that these players are incredibly hard to attain.

This TDL was especially difficult as player availability was even less than usual.

1C is even more of a unicorn than 2C but both are hard to get.

This is now our 6th season since we lost Bryan Little though. Kadri is in his 3rd year with Flames so Avs have been looking for 3 years. But we did acquire our top 6 C in PLD. That didn't work so we are back in the hunt. The point is that it hasn't been 6 unbroken years.

IMO, we should have drafted for a C and we should have drafted better. I know, I know, 20/20 hindsight. But if we had focused on C and/or RD Colby Barlow could have been Calum Ritchie. Or a little less ambitious, he could have been Oliver Bonk or Oliver Moore.

That said I'm still more optimistic for Barlow than most here - but he is neither centre nor Dman.

Rutger could have been a better prospect but turning into Yager gets that job done.

Chaz Lucius could have been C Fedor Svechkov who is already playing in the NHL. IDK if he is playing at C or not. He could have been Wyatt Johnston but that would be asking for too much good luck, damnit. I had wanted Corson Ceulemans with that pick and he is not doing much better than Chaz.

Cole Perfetti really should have been Anton Lundell. Did they ever really believe Cole would be a C in the NHL?

All water under the bridge. Our prospect pool includes a projected 2C in Yager, a projected top 4 RHD in Salomonsson and a possible top 4 LHD in Freij. We also have a possible starting goalie, probable backup goalie in DD. Still pretty good but those holes being filled a couple of years earlier would have been nice.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Sorry I don't follow anything by Garret. The guy is pure agenda. And I will trust what Josh Morrissey says about a player. Just look into the player yourself. Guys he has played with talk very highly of him. Watch highlights. The guy has really developed a nice easy quick pass zone exits. Look for yourself at underlying numbers. They are very solid for a 3rd pairing defenseman. He will also give the Jets a physical presence with a solid 3rd pairing game.

Garret looked at a lot of underlying numbers before reaching a conclusion.

I will hope you are right, but he is slow.

 

[Daximus]

Yet toews isnt washed up.... right

We have no idea what Toews is right now. But I see no harm in offering him a camp tryout to see where he's at.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

I have a feeling Tavares is going to take a paycut to stay in Toronto. He lives there full time, wife is from there, they are pretty embedded in that community and Tavares doesn't strike me as the Cup chasing type. Feel like the Leafs will give him a 5 year contract making a few million less than he is now. They might even be able to get him a lot cheaper than he's willing to sign anywhere else. If his play suddenly dips harshly he'll have a first class plane ticket to the Robidas Island Retirement Villa.

Yes, I think he stays in TO for quite a bit less than he is getting now. But I think he is likely a lot better than Toews will be at this point.

The same Garrett that cherrypicked sample sizes of games earlier this season to say that the Jets aren't as good as they are?

Yet here we are, 1OA

The guy's a hack

I disagree, but you are entitled.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Eakin really does symbolize the strange side of this 'draft and develop' team... sometimes it feels like we make trades just for the sake of trades

Bringing in Eakin instead of having faith in Copp/Roslo at 2C or running with Little - and helped vegas...

The amount of dmen and c that we have chosen to give up on is surprising

Grass is greener ....

 

[Buffdog]

Garret looked at a lot of underlying numbers before reaching a conclusion.

I will hope you are right, but he is slow

That's never his problem. It's that here fuses to look at ALL the numbers... especially the ones that disagree with his narrative, as Kingbogo has mentioned

I'm perfectly fine agreeing to disagree on our opinions of him... but at the end of the day, the second a stats/data guy cherrypicks stats or sample sizes, his conclusions aren't worth shit.

Data is supposed to drive conclusions, not the other way around

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

For sure give him a PTO, but I will be surprised if he is able to play at the NHL level after his long health battles and missing 2 full seasons at age 37. It just sounds impossible.

I would stop short of impossible, but I think it is improbable.

I would be interested in seeing it tried, as long as they are realistic in evaluating him through TC.

 

[Daximus]

Yes, I think he stays in TO for quite a bit less than he is getting now. But I think he is likely a lot better than Toews will be at this point.



I disagree, but you are entitled.

Oh for sure. There might be some teams willing to give Toews a contract sight unseen but I think the Jets should offer him a camp spot and see if he's willing to prove he can still play at a decently high level. It will be 2 seasons since he last played if he comes to camp next year. If he looks like he can still hang I see no issues with giving him a 1 year deal to show what he's got, though if he shows well there's a good chance he bolts somewhere else for more money.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

I bet the Jets just stay the course for the most part. I mean if we bow out in 5 again, it could mean a shakeup but then again I am going to say likely not. They are more likely to give Yager some time in the AHL and bring him up if things are going well and eventually plug him in between Perfetti/Names maybe Ehlers if he stays in the future.

Yes and no.

If we win the Cup, or at least come close, our UFAs are all going to want more money than they would if we win 1 rd or less. If we do badly they may just not want to stay. We could lose a lot of talent and take quite a step back next year either way. Staying the course might not really be an option next year.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

We had a 2nd center and he had to retire because of a injury, Little. Then we had another 2nd center 3 years ago but he decided he didn't want to play in Winnipeg anymore, Dubois. Along the way Chevy has drafted us a number 1 defenseman , Morrissey , a hall of fame goalie, Helly and some great wingers , Ehlers , Connor . But ya Chevy sucks because we don't have a 2nd center good enough in your eyes right now . I couldn't disagree more with you.

I agree with you. In fact, I think Chevy just might be the best GM in the league. At least he is right up there.

But it is his responsibility to fix those holes. That is literally his job.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Yes they will absolutely need cheap ELC and bridge deals to fill gaps on the roster. We are benefiting from Snerg, Vilardi, and Perfetti bridge deals right now and as you say when they get market deals we will that prospect depth to provide cost controlled support.

I imagine the prioritize Pionk over Ehlers.

Pionk has been good this year - but everyone here has forgotten the past 3 years of mediocre at best and not earning his 5.875 mil contract. He might be more healthy than he has been for a while. Or it might just be the contract year syndrome. IDK, but I would be leery of giving him too much $$$ or term. I don't know which we need more, him or his cap space.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

That's never his problem. It's that here fuses to look at ALL the numbers... especially the ones that disagree with his narrative, as Kingbogo has mentioned

I'm perfectly fine agreeing to disagree on our opinions of him... but at the end of the day, the second a stats/data guy cherrypicks stats or sample sizes, his conclusions aren't worth shit.

Data is supposed to drive conclusions, not the other way around

If you look at the article I linked you will find that he looked at a LOT of numbers. If there was any cherry-picking there I missed it.

 

[Jet]

Pionk has been good this year - but everyone here has forgotten the past 3 years of mediocre at best and not earning his 5.875 mil contract. He might be more healthy than he has been for a while. Or it might just be the contract year syndrome. IDK, but I would be leery of giving him too much $$$ or term. I don't know which we need more, him or his cap space.

Its easier to replace a 2nd line 60 point winger than a 40 point RHD

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Oh for sure. There might be some teams willing to give Toews a contract sight unseen but I think the Jets should offer him a camp spot and see if he's willing to prove he can still play at a decently high level. It will be 2 seasons since he last played if he comes to camp next year. If he looks like he can still hang I see no issues with giving him a 1 year deal to show what he's got, though if he shows well there's a good chance he bolts somewhere else for more money.

I may be mistaken but I assume the contract would have already been negotiated on a show us in TC basis. If you make it on a PTO this is the contract we will offer. Probably a 1 mil base, with bonuses. It might already be stated as being 2 years. Or maybe 1 year is enough for both parties.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Its easier to replace a 2nd line 60 point winger than a 40 point RHD

Ehlers is playing at an 82 pt pace.
But is it easier? Typical 60(70) pt winger scores 30 goals. Typical 40 pt Dman scores 5-8 goals, maybe 10.
Ehlers is not bad defensively. Pionk gets his 40 pts but is not good defensively

This year, Pionk looks like scoring more like 45 pts and he has been not bad defensively. My concern with him is that he is playing better this year than he ever has before, even in his last contract year. If I was confident in him playing as well in the future, I would have no problem extending him (within reason). I suppose you could say something similar about Ehlers and whether we can be confident in him playing 70+ games. But at least I am not worried about him showing up when he plays.

I won't go into the usage argument about Ehlers. We could make some similar points about Pionk. He is better with Samberg so that is also a usage issue.

But prioritizing Pionk over Ehlers looks just crazy to me. They are on different planets.

 

[Jet]

Ehlers is playing at an 82 pt pace.
But is it easier? Typical 60(70) pt winger scores 30 goals. Typical 40 pt Dman scores 5-8 goals, maybe 10.
Ehlers is not bad defensively. Pionk gets his 40 pts but is not good defensively

This year, Pionk looks like scoring more like 45 pts and he has been not bad defensively. My concern with him is that he is playing better this year than he ever has before, even in his last contract year. If I was confident in him playing as well in the future, I would have no problem extending him (within reason). I suppose you could say something similar about Ehlers and whether we can be confident in him playing 70+ games. But at least I am not worried about him showing up when he plays.

I won't go into the usage argument about Ehlers. We could make some similar points about Pionk. He is better with Samberg so that is also a usage issue.

But prioritizing Pionk over Ehlers looks just crazy to me. They are on different planets.

Keep in mind that 80 points is an outlier for Ehlers, as is him staying healthy. He's also getting pp1 time.

Pionk gets his points with very little pp time which needs to be considered as well

 

[CanMerc]

Its easier to replace a 2nd line 60 point winger than a 40 point RHD

You can’t judge Pionk on this season…its an outlier unless he can repeat it next season…Pionk is a 30-35 pt RHD…not much lower but still lower.
He's likely going to want to be paid like a 40 pt guy, but he hasn’t proven that he is one.
That said, I agree they likely keep Pionk over Ehlers if it comes down to it, as we have Perfetti already able to step into Ehlers slot, but we have no one able to take Pionks.

 

[CanMerc]

I think it very possible Ehlers was waiting to see what, if anything, Chevy did about the 2C issue as that directly affects him. He could very well be sick of the revolving 2C problem and want a steady line partner to build chemistry with.
How the fact that there was very little available and the fact that, through no fault of his own, Chevy couldn’t fill the need, will affect Ehlers decision I don’t know…but I’d like to see him stay unless he wants too large a raise.

 

[surixon]

Its easier to replace a 2nd line 60 point winger than a 40 point RHD

We only have Salomonsson in the system as a potential top 4 RD and he's probably still a couple years away from that role. Imo he likely slides into DeMelo's spot as DeMelo fades out.

 

[DRW204]

If the Jets can find a legit 2C, I'd rather spend the money on that than Pionk. With Samberg's play this year & what seems to be continuous progression, I have confidence he can be the anchor and defensive stalwart to hold down a pair. They may be able to go a bit lesser on his partner to fulfill that never ending 2C role. Samberg has played v well with a variety of partners/roles although did struggle next to Stanley (surprise surprise). However, majority of his minutes the past couple years came with Schmidt and Pionk, 2/3 most "chaotic" or weaker defenders the Jets have had.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Keep in mind that 80 points is an outlier for Ehlers, as is him staying healthy. He's also getting pp1 time.

Pionk gets his points with very little pp time which needs to be considered as well

Exactly, Ehlers is getting PP1 time. 80 pts is not an outlier for Ehlers. It is a result of better usage that he should have been getting for years.

True, Pionk gets little PP time. I still think of defencemen as primarily defenders though. Not that I don't like their scoring, but I want to see defence first. I guess I'm a little old-fashioned that way.

 

[The Unknown Poster]

We had a 2nd center and he had to retire because of an injury, Little. Then we had another 2nd center 3 years ago but he decided he didn't want to play in Winnipeg anymore, Dubois. Along the way Chevy has drafted us a number 1 defenseman , Morrissey , a hall of fame goalie, Helly and some great wingers , Ehlers , Connor . But ya Chevy sucks because we don't have a 2nd center good enough in your eyes right now . I couldn't disagree more with you.

You couldn’t disagree more that chevy hasn’t found a 2C? Hmmm who is the 2C?

 

[Xavier Laflamme]

You couldn’t disagree more that chevy hasn’t found a 2C? Hmmm who is the 2C?

The 2C is the friends we made along the way.

Kinda still upset we didn't get Cozens, dude has looked great so far for the Sens, I know we didn't have the assets to make the trade but I still wanted him on the Jets.