Speculation: 2024/25 Trade Rumours, Speculation etc Thread

[Moloch]

Prime Toews vs prime wheeler and I'd take Toews any day
I think with Toews its hard to say though because his health issues were mostly respiratory. Its not like he blew his knee out. I've got family members (young, like 30s and 40s) who have made full recoveries from long covid. And Toews is apparently doing conditioning skates every day.

Hell, give him a PTO and see what he can do. He was a f***ing gamer, maybe hes still got some of that spark left in him. And even if you do sign him, give him league min.

 

[BobTheSolarsystem]

I don't think anyone ever thought he was a solution to anything in the top 6 more of a stop gap but obviously didn't work out. Even at the time most thought we didn't give up much for him and it was a pretty ho-hum move.

Eakin really does symbolize the strange side of this 'draft and develop' team... sometimes it feels like we make trades just for the sake of trades

Bringing in Eakin instead of having faith in Copp/Roslo at 2C or running with Little - and helped vegas...

The amount of dmen and c that we have chosen to give up on is surprising

 

[Gm0ney]

Prime Toews vs prime wheeler and I'd take Toews any day
I think with Toews its hard to say though because his health issues were mostly respiratory. Its not like he blew his knee out. I've got family members (young, like 30s and 40s) who have made full recoveries from long covid. And Toews is apparently doing conditioning skates every day.

Hell, give him a PTO and see what he can do. He was a f***ing gamer, maybe hes still got some of that spark left in him. And even if you do sign him, give him league min.

For sure give him a PTO, but I will be surprised if he is able to play at the NHL level after his long health battles and missing 2 full seasons at age 37. It just sounds impossible.

 

[10Ducky10]

Prime Toews vs prime wheeler and I'd take Toews any day
I think with Toews its hard to say though because his health issues were mostly respiratory. Its not like he blew his knee out. I've got family members (young, like 30s and 40s) who have made full recoveries from long covid. And Toews is apparently doing conditioning skates every day.

Hell, give him a PTO and see what he can do. He was a f***ing gamer, maybe hes still got some of that spark left in him. And even if you do sign him, give him league min.

Exactly and give him some bonuses.

 

[Mooche]

I do hope they bring Toews in for a look if there's mutual interest. I don't think it could hurt to do their due diligence.

My expectations are tempered that best case he'd be a contributor in the bottom six at this point.

Still, I'd take the leadership and experience in a second if he can play at all.

 

[Buffdog]

I think he's totally washed.

His health issues, age, and lack of play. Do we really want another old Wheeler?

Wheeler's game was more speed based... when he lost a step, he was toast

I'll reserve judgement on Toews until we see what kind of condition he manages to get himself into for the fall and whether his health issues are truly behind him

Although he's 37, he doesn't have the wear and tear of the past two seasons on his body like other guys his age do.... kinda like an older car with lower KMs

If nothing else, it would be a neat storyline for the org and the city. Maybe he plays 4th line and PKs in the worst case scenario

 

[surixon]

Wheeler's game was more speed based... when he lost a step, he was toast

I'll reserve judgement on Toews until we see what kind of condition he manages to get himself into for the fall and whether his health issues are truly behind him

Although he's 37, he doesn't have the wear and tear of the past two seasons on his body like other guys his age do.... kinda like an older car with lower KMs

If nothing else, it would be a neat storyline for the org and the city. Maybe he plays 4th line and PKs in the worst case scenario

He'd still be a marketing dream for TNSE even if he's only on the 4th line and second unit pp and pk.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Why do you think Schenn will be liability? Morrissey was very complimentary of him as a player. Schenn also has very decent 3rd pairing underlying numbers, over 1000 NHL games and 2 cups. He is also a 230 lbs bull, and we need one of those that is better at hockey than Stanley.

Because he has never really been all that good and now he is older and slower. He will bring some physicality and just maybe help the PK.

Here is an article from Garret Hohl.
The Winnipeg Jets are less fragile, but are they better?

 

[Gm0ney]

Because he has never really been all that good and now he is older and slower. He will bring some physicality and just maybe help the PK.

Here is an article from Garret Hohl.
The Winnipeg Jets are less fragile, but are they better?

Schenn looks like an RD downgrade on Miller. Fleury's maybe a LD upgrade on Stanley. Not sure if that washes out. We'll see.

 

[DRW204]

Schenn has solid defensive seasons in the past. Don't think there's offense there and not sure about his puck moving abilities (in previous stops he's played moreso alongside primary puck movers)

I was skeptical with him and stanley being paired together on a pair so personally have a bit more confidence in the pairing tonight. It is 3rd pair though, one of the lesser of the worries.

 

[Joe Hallenback]

I bet the Jets just stay the course for the most part. I mean if we bow out in 5 again, it could mean a shakeup but then again I am going to say likely not. They are more likely to give Yager some time in the AHL and bring him up if things are going well and eventually plug him in between Perfetti/Names maybe Ehlers if he stays in the future.

 

[surixon]

I bet the Jets just stay the course for the most part. I mean if we bow out in 5 again, it could mean a shakeup but then again I am going to say likely not. They are more likely to give Yager some time in the AHL and bring him up if things are going well and eventually plug him in between Perfetti/Names maybe Ehlers if he stays in the future.

I think the direction will in large part depend on what Fly, Conner, Pionk and Vilardi think. If most want out then the team is going to be forced into a retool.

If they can keep most then they will likely try to plug holes and get in.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Schenn looks like an RD downgrade on Miller. Fleury's maybe a LD upgrade on Stanley. Not sure if that washes out. We'll see.

I'm hoping that Schenn is enough of an upgrade on Miller on the PK to compensate for any downgrade elsewhere. I'm really hoping that contending will energize both Schenn and Tanev to produce better. Yes, we'll see.

 

[surixon]

Prime Toews vs prime wheeler and I'd take Toews any day
I think with Toews its hard to say though because his health issues were mostly respiratory. Its not like he blew his knee out. I've got family members (young, like 30s and 40s) who have made full recoveries from long covid. And Toews is apparently doing conditioning skates every day.

Hell, give him a PTO and see what he can do. He was a f***ing gamer, maybe hes still got some of that spark left in him. And even if you do sign him, give him league min.

He's at an age where you can do incentive contracts. So yeah give him $1 million as a base and then work in performance bonuses into it for games played, points etc.

Allow him to make upwards of $4 to 5 million if he hits on those thresholds.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Would Tavares or Toews be a better fit on the Jets? Toews would be more popular with the fanbase and probably not cost too much, but Tavares is more of a guarantee to put up points.

Tavares is still playing at a high level. But he will probably want too much term and a big salary.

I wouldn't mind a big salary for 1 year. Stretch a point to 2 but that would be as far as I would go.

 

[KingBogo]

Because he has never really been all that good and now he is older and slower. He will bring some physicality and just maybe help the PK.

Here is an article from Garret Hohl.
The Winnipeg Jets are less fragile, but are they better?

Sorry I don't follow anything by Garret. The guy is pure agenda. And I will trust what Josh Morrissey says about a player. Just look into the player yourself. Guys he has played with talk very highly of him. Watch highlights. The guy has really developed a nice easy quick pass zone exits. Look for yourself at underlying numbers. They are very solid for a 3rd pairing defenseman. He will also give the Jets a physical presence with a solid 3rd pairing game.

 

[Daximus]

Tavares is still playing at a high level. But he will probably want too much term and a big salary.

I wouldn't mind a big salary for 1 year. Stretch a point to 2 but that would be as far as I would go.

I have a feeling Tavares is going to take a paycut to stay in Toronto. He lives there full time, wife is from there, they are pretty embedded in that community and Tavares doesn't strike me as the Cup chasing type. Feel like the Leafs will give him a 5 year contract making a few million less than he is now. They might even be able to get him a lot cheaper than he's willing to sign anywhere else. If his play suddenly dips harshly he'll have a first class plane ticket to the Robidas Island Retirement Villa.

 

[Buffdog]

Because he has never really been all that good and now he is older and slower. He will bring some physicality and just maybe help the PK.

Here is an article from Garret Hohl.
The Winnipeg Jets are less fragile, but are they better?

The same Garrett that cherrypicked sample sizes of games earlier this season to say that the Jets aren't as good as they are?

Yet here we are, 1OA

The guy's a hack

 

[Jets 31]

Actually I’m both! Jets fan first and foremost. Then Vegas and Pens together. I don’t think I’m being negative. It’s a fair point to say chevy has had years to figure out 2C and hasn’t done it.

We’re all excited for the jets being in first or second place but they had a great regular season last year too. They need to prove it in the playoffs. I hope they do. But it doesn’t absolve chevy of the responsibility to improve the jets C and D.

We had a 2nd center and he had to retire because of a injury, Little. Then we had another 2nd center 3 years ago but he decided he didn't want to play in Winnipeg anymore, Dubois. Along the way Chevy has drafted us a number 1 defenseman , Morrissey , a hall of fame goalie, Helly and some great wingers , Ehlers , Connor . But ya Chevy sucks because we don't have a 2nd center good enough in your eyes right now . I couldn't disagree more with you.

 

[BobTheSolarsystem]

He'd still be a marketing dream for TNSE even if he's only on the 4th line and second unit pp and pk.

Jordin tootoo was also a marketing dream and tnse didnt even try...

 

[Daximus]

Jordin tootoo was also a marketing dream and tnse didnt even try...

Tootoo was pretty much washed by the time the Jets came back. He might have put some butts in seats just to watch the scraps though especially with how bad the club was in the first few seasons. Who knows if the interest was mutual though.

 

[KingBogo]

Jordin tootoo was also a marketing dream and tnse didnt even try...

I don’t remember filling seats being a problem in the Jets 2.0 earlier years. Personally I would have loved TooToo to play for the Jets but it would have been meaningless to fill seats.

 

[BobTheSolarsystem]

Tootoo was pretty much washed by the time the Jets came back. He might have put some butts in seats just to watch the scraps though especially with how bad the club was in the first few seasons. Who knows if the interest was mutual though.

Yet toews isnt washed up.... right

 

[Bob E]

I think the direction will in large part depend on what Fly, Conner, Pionk and Vilardi think. If most want out then the team is going to be forced into a retool.

If they can keep most then they will likely try to plug holes and get in.

If you give Fly, Connor, Pionk, Samberg, Perfetti and Vilardi market deals over the next couple of years, the Jets will be closer to the cap ceiling than most expect. Having some ELCs wouldn't hurt. A few of Salomonsson, Yager, Lambert, Ford or Chibby might find a spot anyway replacing more expensive guys like Tanev, Apples, AI or Names in the next year or two.

Pionk is a real tricky one for me. He provides solid value at his current deal but would likely get close to $7M on the open market. The Jets can afford it and need a RH Dman as the organizational depth for RH D isn't great. So it makes sense to lock him up, but that's also a place where the Jets would look for an upgrade especially in size and skating. I'm curious to see what happens with him this spring/summer.

 

[surixon]

If you give Fly, Connor, Pionk, Samberg, Perfetti and Vilardi market deals over the next couple of years, the Jets will be closer to the cap ceiling than most expect. Having some ELCs wouldn't hurt. A few of Salomonsson, Yager, Lambert, Ford or Chibby might find a spot anyway replacing more expensive guys like Tanev, Apples, AI or Names in the next year or two.

Pionk is a real tricky one for me. He provides solid value at his current deal but would likely get close to $7M on the open market. The Jets can afford it and need a RH Dman as the organizational depth for RH D isn't great. So it makes sense to lock him up, but that's also a place where the Jets would look for an upgrade especially in size and skating. I'm curious to see what happens with him this spring/summer.

Yes they will absolutely need cheap ELC and bridge deals to fill gaps on the roster. We are benefiting from Snerg, Vilardi, and Perfetti bridge deals right now and as you say when they get market deals we will that prospect depth to provide cost controlled support.

I imagine the prioritize Pionk over Ehlers.