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Why not gove it 10 games before you judge?
Can you recall the last time Stan was on the ice for a goal against at 5v5?
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Can you recall the last time Stan was on the ice for a goal against at 5v5?
7 5v5 goals against in the last 25 games for Stanley.
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I know the stats guys love the shot metrics for a bigger sample size (and their xGF models)... but Stan has been great in GF% all season.
At the end of the day, that the only stat that counts... even if guys like to call it "luck" when a guy is on the ice for a GF or a GA (ironically while still blaming Stan every time he's on the ice for a GA)
I suppose the silver lining is the jets first round pick won’t be as late as we originally thought.
Ya the Jets looked horrible against Jersey.
1st in the entire league will 92 points and 18 games to play, best goals for / against at plus 78 , best PP in the entire league but ya we are cooked, might not even make the playoffs actually.....If 2nd center is holding us back then how in the world are we the best team in the entire league right now as we speak??? Guess just pure luck eh ? I think Chevy has done a incredible job with one hand tied behind his back the entire time. Some on here make it sound just so easy to run a NHL franchise, they should put their name in and apply for the GM job here. If being the best team in the entire league doesn't make you happy nothing will.
What if Cozens isn't that answer. He's got roughly the same number of points as Namestnikov but make over $4 million more per year. If he never gets his game back you now have a lot of dead cap space which is important when filling out the roster on a contender.
Cozens ended up going for another player not living up to his contract. Bad contract for bad contract.
Teams trade contracts as much as players in the league these days.
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We found Stanley’s burner account.
We will convene come playoffs but simply put, he’s not good enough to be in the lineup for a deep run. If you can’t see that, I cannot help you.
We will convene come playoffs but simply put, he’s not good enough to be in the lineup for a deep run. If you can’t see that, I cannot help you.
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He never has been good enough and never will be, it's been 5 seasons already, and I don't think looking at GF% only is the way to determine if he is good or not, many of the other advanced metrics show that he is in fact quite bad, though personally I only need the eye test and it never passes.
But simply put we need to suck it up, because Arnie loves the guy and he is starting in the playoffs regardless if we like it or not.
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Ya the Jets looked horrible against Jersey.
I’ll be amazed if we can make the 2nd wildcard spot…Right now Calgary holds that spot with 70 pts. We've got 94 pts with 18 games to go…that’s 24 points in 18 games…gonna be tight
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Stanley's GF% will look look great this year. 3rd pair d, against bottom pair comp (like far ahead of any Jets pair) while back stopped by Helle/Comrie will have the GA side looking fantastic.
in goals for/against vs chances for/against
24 GF on 26 xGF
14 GA on 28 xGA, for +10 overall
Heinola for example who he is often compared against
9 GF on 10 xGF
2 GA on 10 xGA, for +7 overall
3rd pair players getting mid/slightly below-offense when on-ice, while getting helle/comrie behind them who have save far more shots/chances than typical goalies esp. consider the types of fwds the 3rd pair is usually on ice against.
In the POs if he's struggling real bad, getting lost defensively, turnovers or penalties....i can't see the Jets continuously trotting him out there. they'll shorten the D pairings, i just can't see them watching what we have for good chunks of the year and not doing something in pivotal games. but yea i think in their view he's closer to a #4-5 than a #6-7 this season.
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I read somewhere, maybe on this board, that Chevy had talked to the room about what they needed / wanted. Would that make sense?
Friedman indicated the price for Schenn was very high, plus he said Schenn indicated he wasn't going to waive for certain teams. So put two and two together and he wasn't willing to come here.
No idea with regards to O'Reilly but given how all over the place Trotz has been as a GM and it wouldn't surprise me if he believes his old core just had a growing pain year and that they will shoot back up the standings next year. So he's planning on bringing the grizzled group all back.
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Man this site is really screwy right now. I wonder how many people like me can log in but can't reply to anything because they lose their account status when logged in.
I'm not overwhelmed by Chevy's deadline moves.
But he did address the PK which I thought was important. I think Tanev is going to put some pressure on Appleton's job which I thought was necessary.
And he addressed the RD pker that was lacking with Miller.
Prices were way too high. Too bad about the NTCs who turned down trades but having players who want to be here is key to the Jets success.
Having that 1st round pick next year when so many teams have burnt theirs will give him more leverage than a lot of his competitors.
Dallas may have won trade deadline. Colorado did well. But I look forward to one of them eliminating the other.
I think Chevy did well enough to keep the team competitive, with depth, to go into next season.
As for the playoffs. Good defense is how the Jets must win. Good special teams. We'll see soon enough if this team is different from last year's.
I'm not overwhelmed by Chevy's deadline moves.
But he did address the PK which I thought was important. I think Tanev is going to put some pressure on Appleton's job which I thought was necessary.
And he addressed the RD pker that was lacking with Miller.
Prices were way too high. Too bad about the NTCs who turned down trades but having players who want to be here is key to the Jets success.
Having that 1st round pick next year when so many teams have burnt theirs will give him more leverage than a lot of his competitors.
Dallas may have won trade deadline. Colorado did well. But I look forward to one of them eliminating the other.
I think Chevy did well enough to keep the team competitive, with depth, to go into next season.
As for the playoffs. Good defense is how the Jets must win. Good special teams. We'll see soon enough if this team is different from last year's.
i wouldn't have minded Cozens, but not at the price of Perfetti. it'd be a similar deal what FLA did for Reinhart for me, 1st+prospect. (similar level to Levi) there is a cap difference between the 2 aforementioned players for a short while. but the delta of 4m b/w Cozens and Perfetti is finite as Perfetti will need a new long-term deal soon.
it's real chicken or egg thing, but the PP Production is really holding Cozens back this year. BUF's PP is ranked 27th in GF/60 & Cozens PP scoring stinks. is that b/c Cozens stinks on the PP? or the system/structure stinks (similar to us last year vs this year where the Jets had a glow up from 24th to 1st)? ie:
Cozens 1.92 5v5 pts/60 vs 1.66 PP pts/60
Perfetti 1.44 5v5 pts/60 vs 7.45 PP pts/60
or another example on the Jets PP system superiority - Iafallo who i don't think is some super talented offensive player: 1.1 5v5 pts/60 vs 6.1 PP pts/60. everyone eating good on the Jets PP this season.
when a player has a lower scoring efficiency on the man-advantage vs 5v5, imo i think that is not super sustainable and it's just more than an individual player issue. same thing i pointed out w/ NYI and Brock Nelson 24-25 season vs his last few.
i don't watch buffalo enough to have a qualified opinion, but id trust the Jets would've determined Cozens at 7M was good value and a legit 2C for us. although some on here have said his play leaves a lot to be desired (not sure # of games they've seen him play over the years).
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I think there's a 100% chance Chevy went after Brayden and figured getting Luke would help in that process but they probably wanted way too much and/or he didn't want to come here.
I'd rather be celebrating a Stanley Cup than worrying about having a first round pick while our competition used theirs. Dallas and Colorado won't give a damn about that pick if they win the cup. I do agree prices were insanely high and I didn't think Chevy would overpay, but that being said this could be our best chance ever at making our deepest run and we needed a 2C. I think if we lose in the second round it's an epic fail for this team.
I think this team's front office would love to win a cup but the long term plan is to keep a competitive team, year after year. We saw what happens when the team plays subpar, we were at 2/3 capacity. I couple poor seasons or a rebuild would be absolutely devastating for this team. I'm sure they put that into consideration when first round picks and top prospects are involved in trades.
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Yeah I agree True North probably operates under the principle of making as many playoffs as possible. Where they go in the playoffs, well that's up to the players themselves. I think the 5% improvement is the basis.
I don't mind waiting for Yager to be the 2C if the cost of one is exorbitant. It definitely sounds like Chevy took a run at Nelson. Everybody else was protected by NTC. Or wasn't worth it. I don't think Laughton is an upgrade on Namestnikov.
Every other team in the NHL can make significant improvement in the offseason. For the Jets that improvement has to come from the development of prospects to make depth, and from improvements through chemistry, which we have seen this year.
Maybe it's the best chance but so many players have had substandard playoffs (Ehlers, De Melo, even Pionk, Appleton, etc.) that I'm not sure why this is the year, unless people believe in the standings and not the past results.
I look forward to having this discussion at the same time next year. I don't think Chevy did anything to jeopardize the future. And other than Dallas who paid in futures for the present, only Utah seems to me like a team that will improve going forward, with their prospects still not at their peak.
Jets PO level 1st results (so pick 16 onward)
Connor: top line nhl fwd
Roslovic: bottom 6 fwd
Stanley: third pair D
Vesalainen: nothing
Heinola: nothing
Luciuz: chance of likely nothing, but could argue still a tbd, but unsure how long his NHL career truly will be
lambert; tbd
barlow; tbd
excluding the tbds, connor and whole lotta nothing to replaceable players.
i didn't think the Jets would've paid that price for Nelson b/c a prospect was involved & the Jets don't trade prospects. however if you're celebrating the Tanev acquisition, how far off is that acquisition price relative to the player quality and team need?
we'll see how the POs go, but id be fully onboard trading our 1st+ this off-season for a legit top-6 C
Connor: top line nhl fwd
Roslovic: bottom 6 fwd
Stanley: third pair D
Vesalainen: nothing
Heinola: nothing
Luciuz: chance of likely nothing, but could argue still a tbd, but unsure how long his NHL career truly will be
lambert; tbd
barlow; tbd
excluding the tbds, connor and whole lotta nothing to replaceable players.
i didn't think the Jets would've paid that price for Nelson b/c a prospect was involved & the Jets don't trade prospects. however if you're celebrating the Tanev acquisition, how far off is that acquisition price relative to the player quality and team need?
we'll see how the POs go, but id be fully onboard trading our 1st+ this off-season for a legit top-6 C
raideralex99
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This Crozens for Perfetti talk is insane .... Sabres were looking for a 2C ... Jets didn't have one to trade end of story. The TDL has passed let it go.
The Stanley and anti Stanley talk is getting a little over the top too.
Yes Stanley is the weakest link on the Jets but guess what the 3rd pairing on majority of the teams is their weak link that's why they are on the 3rd pairing. The good news is if Stanley has a terrible game or is exposed a lot ... the Jets have depth.
Relax Jets are in first place not a bubble team ... enjoy it.
The Stanley and anti Stanley talk is getting a little over the top too.
Yes Stanley is the weakest link on the Jets but guess what the 3rd pairing on majority of the teams is their weak link that's why they are on the 3rd pairing. The good news is if Stanley has a terrible game or is exposed a lot ... the Jets have depth.
Relax Jets are in first place not a bubble team ... enjoy it.
Ya the Jets looked horrible against Jersey.
Now that’s just stupid.
raideralex99
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Its been reported the Jets were ready to pay the price and had a deal. Arniel was already pencilling in different lines to see who would be Nelson's line mates. I would bet my last dollar that Lou Lamoriello called the Avs and told them the Jets offer for Nelson so the Avs had to better the offer.
The Avs were smart to stop a top contender of getting stronger ... They know they overpaid just so the Jets don't get Nelson.
I hope karma comes back to bite the Avs in the azz ... Jets need to get 1st so its an Avs/Stars first round matchup.
yeah i think so too. NYI pitted the Jets and Avs against each other to se who would pay more. If what you said about Arniel is true, the Jets really weren't just playing along & were expecting to get him.
