Speculation: 2024/25 Trade Rumours, Speculation etc Thread

[Buffdog]

I still think we needed an upgrade on 64 and by all accounts, we will see a Schenn Stanley pairing which is utterly terrifying

Why not gove it 10 games before you judge?

Can you recall the last time Stan was on the ice for a goal against at 5v5?

 

[Weezeric]

Why not gove it 10 games before you judge?

Can you recall the last time Stan was on the ice for a goal against at 5v5?

7 5v5 goals against in the last 25 games for Stanley.

 

[Buffdog]

7 5v5 goals against in the last 25 games for Stanley.

How many /60 vs the other D in that time?

 

[Weezeric]

How many /60 vs the other D?

1.15 GA/60.

Samberg is at 1.68, Morrissey over 2

 

[Buffdog]

1.15 GA/60.

Samberg is at 1.68, Morrissey over 2

I know the stats guys love the shot metrics for a bigger sample size (and their xGF models)... but Stan has been great in GF% all season.

At the end of the day, that the only stat that counts... even if guys like to call it "luck" when a guy is on the ice for a GF or a GA (ironically while still blaming Stan every time he's on the ice for a GA)

 

[Gm0ney]

I see everyone's favorite movie is on again...

 

[The Unknown Poster]

I suppose the silver lining is the jets first round pick won’t be as late as we originally thought.

 

[Jets 31]

I suppose the silver lining is the jets first round pick won’t be as late as we originally thought.

Ya the Jets looked horrible against Jersey. 1st in the entire league will 92 points and 18 games to play, best goals for / against at plus 78 , best PP in the entire league but ya we are cooked, might not even make the playoffs actually.....

 

[Jets 31]

The reason you consider trading Perfetti for cozens is because the thing holding Winnipeg back is 2C. It’s easier to plug a winger spot than a C. Jets have had one year or two with Dubois and something like 8 years of no 2C. Chevy knows this so it’s on him and complete failure to address.

Chevy also is not required to pay the price on deadline day. He can look at deals on the off season. And still no 2C.

Draft and develop is great until you lose good players for nothing or develop them so badly that they want to leave, you won’t let them and their value plummets over time.

If 2nd center is holding us back then how in the world are we the best team in the entire league right now as we speak??? Guess just pure luck eh ? I think Chevy has done a incredible job with one hand tied behind his back the entire time. Some on here make it sound just so easy to run a NHL franchise, they should put their name in and apply for the GM job here. If being the best team in the entire league doesn't make you happy nothing will.

 

[surixon]

The reason you consider trading Perfetti for cozens is because the thing holding Winnipeg back is 2C. It’s easier to plug a winger spot than a C. Jets have had one year or two with Dubois and something like 8 years of no 2C. Chevy knows this so it’s on him and complete failure to address.

Chevy also is not required to pay the price on deadline day. He can look at deals on the off season. And still no 2C.

Draft and develop is great until you lose good players for nothing or develop them so badly that they want to leave, you won’t let them and their value plummets over time.

What if Cozens isn't that answer. He's got roughly the same number of points as Namestnikov but make over $4 million more per year. If he never gets his game back you now have a lot of dead cap space which is important when filling out the roster on a contender.

Cozens ended up going for another player not living up to his contract. Bad contract for bad contract.

Teams trade contracts as much as players in the league these days.

 

[GaryPoppins]

We found Stanley’s burner account.

We will convene come playoffs but simply put, he’s not good enough to be in the lineup for a deep run. If you can’t see that, I cannot help you.

 

[Xavier Laflamme]

We found Stanley’s burner account.

We will convene come playoffs but simply put, he’s not good enough to be in the lineup for a deep run. If you can’t see that, I cannot help you.

He never has been good enough and never will be, it's been 5 seasons already, and I don't think looking at GF% only is the way to determine if he is good or not, many of the other advanced metrics show that he is in fact quite bad, though personally I only need the eye test and it never passes.

But simply put we need to suck it up, because Arnie loves the guy and he is starting in the playoffs regardless if we like it or not.

 

[CanMerc]

Ya the Jets looked horrible against Jersey. 1st in the entire league will 92 points and 18 games to play, best goals for / against at plus 78 , best PP in the entire league but ya we are cooked, might not even make the playoffs actually.....

I’ll be amazed if we can make the 2nd wildcard spot…Right now Calgary holds that spot with 70 pts. We've got 94 pts with 18 games to go…that’s 24 points in 18 games…gonna be tight

 

[DRW204]

He never has been good enough and never will be, it's been 5 seasons already, and I don't think looking at GF% only is the way to determine if he is good or not, many of the other advanced metrics show that he is in fact quite bad, though personally I only need the eye test and it never passes.

But simply put we need to suck it up, because Arnie loves the guy and he is starting in the playoffs regardless if we like it or not.

Stanley's GF% will look look great this year. 3rd pair d, against bottom pair comp (like far ahead of any Jets pair) while back stopped by Helle/Comrie will have the GA side looking fantastic.

in goals for/against vs chances for/against
24 GF on 26 xGF
14 GA on 28 xGA, for +10

Heinola for example who he is often compared against
9 GF on 10 xGF
2 GA on 10 xGA, for +7

3rd pair players getting mid/slightly below-offense when on-ice, while getting helle/comrie behind them who have save far more shots/chances than typical goalies esp. consider the types of fwds the 3rd pair is usually on ice against.

In the POs if he's struggling real bad, getting lost defensively, turnovers or penalties....i can't see the Jets continuously trotting him out there. they'll shorten the D pairings, i just can't see them watching what we have for good chunks of the year and not doing something in pivotal games. but yea i think in their view he's closer to a #4-5 than a #6-7 this season.

 

[Bwadlay2]

Yeah. My guess is this:

- The Nelson trade was truly out of chevys control. Either Nelson at the 11th hour decided to not agree to go to Winnipeg once he realized Colorado was seriously interested in him, or alternatively NY simply valued Colorado’s prospect than our top prospect (yager… and frankly there’s a good argument to make to not make that trade if you’re Chevy even if NY takes it… but if Colorado’s prospect is better than ours, it’s over and Nelson goes to Colorado in any event).

- B. Schenn: very possible that he wasn't really on the table, absent a wild enormous overpay return. The blues didn’t trade anyone yesterday if my memory serves right.

- ROR: again not sure he was really on the table, and Nashville were treating it as if he had a NTC and ROR has term left, so very possible he simply wasn’t an option.

- Laughton - frankly he’s not a 2C and the leafs massively overpaid IMO. I just don’t think that would’ve really filled the void even if we did overpay to get him.

All this to say: was I initially disappointed by not landing a big name (particularly a 2C)? Yes. But not sure that this was really Chevy messing it up. We don’t know the details. And people saying « well he should’ve gotten it done regardless » may not appreciate that the reality may have been: there were no options.

I read somewhere, maybe on this board, that Chevy had talked to the room about what they needed / wanted. Would that make sense?