Speculation: 2024/25 Trade Rumours, Speculation etc Thread

[KingBogo]

This is the real loss this TD imo.... how did Chevy not get in on Novak/Schenn first... think Novak would have solved a lot of problems for us and had no trade protection

It's hard to know if Chevy even had the opportunity to be in on anything with Trotz. Trotz's player movement record is pretty erratic, so I doubt that he actually does that leg work reaching out to the full slate of GMs when moving players.

 

[Thechozen1]

Draft, develop and extend, F guys that don't want to come here and let them enjoy losing

That’s a good way if looking at it, but until the Jets actually win anything, we lose alongside the majority of them too.

 

[Jet]

Can you imagine how deep and dark the misery would be in Winnipeg with Trotz at the helm? He’s made a lot of moves to tank the franchise, can’t evaluate the trade market properly, has terrible asset management qualities, doesn’t seem to have any strategic outlook - and that’s in a place that ranks among the preferred free agent destinations. There is nothing to save him in Winnipeg and we would have NOTHING with him steering this team. Crisis averted.

All the 'what did Chevy do' people would be having their biggest FAFO moments

 

[raideralex99]

No big splash on TDL for the last 5 Stanley Cup winners.

 

[Gm0ney]

Not wanting to play in Winnipeg is a character flaw.

And it hit 7.3⁰C here today, so it's pretty much Florida anyway...

 

[surixon]

Do you remember that Trotz was getting courted by the Jets as a coach right before we hired Rick Boness. It seems like a possible sticking point was Trotz appetite for becoming a GM.

Under the category of dodging bullets and hey that Chevy guy isn’t that bad lets have a look at a post from the main boards. Topic was has anyone ever had a worse off season and trade deadline than Barry Trotz??

Credit goes to @NoNecksCurse for this post:



Feel free to add other blunders. Just going to name a few and then read the replies.

• Signed Stamkos to 4 years, 32 million. I don't think a single team would take his contract for free.
• Signed Skjei, Marchessault, and Stamkos for a combined 108.5 million. The predators are currently the 3rd worst team in the league
• Traded away Novak for Bunting (who is out for the year) but Dubas fleeced him into throwing in Schenn for a 4th round pick. He just signed Novak to a 3 year deal on March 4th 2024. Dubas turns around and flips Schenn for a 2nd and 4th round pick.
• Similarly, he paid Pittsburgh and Dubas a 3rd and 6th round pick to TAKE Cody Glass. Pittsburgh just traded Glass for a 3rd round pick.
• Signed Dante Fabbro in March and waived him. Fabbro has played well for CBJ on their top pair and logs over 20 minutes of ice time a game.
• Signed Carrier to a 3 year deal in July 2024 and traded him to MTL for Barron (bad asset management)
• Chose Saros over Askarov. Signed Saros to an 8 year, 61.9 million deal.
• Nashville is in lottery draft pick contention and made zero moves today. No transactions even listed on Milwaukee's page (our AHL affiliate).

The guy is clearly in over his head. It's a very different job then that if a head coach and 9f he wanted in management needed to spend a number of years in different management positions before becoming a GM.

 

[BobTheSolarsystem]

It's hard to know if Chevy even had the opportunity to be in on anything with Trotz. Trotz's player movement record is pretty erratic, so I doubt that he actually does that leg work reaching out to the full slate of GMs when moving players.

Im not ragging on chev and thats def a possibility... but i rank this up there with getting montreals second instead of sean durzi in the pld trade...

I suspect chevy was in on nelson until the bitter end... and this deal was already done when he lost

 

[BobTheSolarsystem]

No big splash on TDL for the last 5 Stanley Cup winners.
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Reality though is they added
Tarasenko last year
Barbashev and adin hill the year before
Colorado also grabbed josh manson and nico sturm - maybe jost too?
Tampa - savard and gaborik?

So a bit more...

 

[gojetsgo]

Reality though is they added
Tarasenko last year
Barbashev and adin hill the year before
Colorado also grabbed josh manson and nico sturm - maybe jost too?
Tampa - savard and gaborik?

So a bit more...

pretty sure tampa add colemen as well in 2020 and not on deadline day but the avs did spend a 1st for a year of kuemper in the off season

 

[raideralex99]

Can you imagine how deep and dark the misery would be in Winnipeg with Trotz at the helm? He’s made a lot of moves to tank the franchise, can’t evaluate the trade market properly, has terrible asset management qualities, doesn’t seem to have any strategic outlook - and that’s in a place that ranks among the preferred free agent destinations. There is nothing to save him in Winnipeg and we would have NOTHING with him steering this team. Crisis averted.

First of all the Jets only wanted Trotz as a coach not GM.
Trotz is a good coach but has no experience as a GM.
In the end this is what happens when any team hires a new GM ... they always tear down the team and try to put their stamp on it which is a huge mistake.

 

[raideralex99]

Reality though is they added
Tarasenko last year
Barbashev and adin hill the year before
Colorado also grabbed josh manson and nico sturm - maybe jost too?
Tampa - savard and gaborik?

So a bit more...

Yes that's true but the point was adding at TDL day.
To tell you the truth its the media that makes a big hype about the TDL all those rumors and how many did they get right?
I'll just glad its all over and we can get back to hockey and gear up for the playoffs.

 

[jetsfan15]

It's hard to know if Chevy even had the opportunity to be in on anything with Trotz. Trotz's player movement record is pretty erratic, so I doubt that he actually does that leg work reaching out to the full slate of GMs when moving players.

Yeah. My guess is this:

- The Nelson trade was truly out of chevys control. Either Nelson at the 11th hour decided to not agree to go to Winnipeg once he realized Colorado was seriously interested in him, or alternatively NY simply valued Colorado’s prospect than our top prospect (yager… and frankly there’s a good argument to make to not make that trade if you’re Chevy even if NY takes it… but if Colorado’s prospect is better than ours, it’s over and Nelson goes to Colorado in any event).

- B. Schenn: very possible that he wasn't really on the table, absent a wild enormous overpay return. The blues didn’t trade anyone yesterday if my memory serves right.

- ROR: again not sure he was really on the table, and Nashville were treating it as if he had a NTC and ROR has term left, so very possible he simply wasn’t an option.

- Laughton - frankly he’s not a 2C and the leafs massively overpaid IMO. I just don’t think that would’ve really filled the void even if we did overpay to get him.

All this to say: was I initially disappointed by not landing a big name (particularly a 2C)? Yes. But not sure that this was really Chevy messing it up. We don’t know the details. And people saying « well he should’ve gotten it done regardless » may not appreciate that the reality may have been: there were no options.

 

[Gil Fisher]

Ok well i made my case and it actually aligns with what the players and management are saying, so I'll be fine if you dont agree.

I'm guessing you wanted us to pay the exorbitant prices yesterday, like Perfetti and two firsts for Rantanen and that's IF he'd extend in Winnipeg?

You'd be guessing wrong.

 

[winnipegger]

As long as we aren't paying a 1st for monahan I'm good. I kind of hate the TDL. Cup winners don't tend to make huge moves at the TDL..

 

[Do or Die]

How do we get rid of the terrible stigma surrounding Winnipeg..
Edmonton and Calgary are just as cold

Long playoff run, at least...

 

[surixon]

Yes, they haven't proven they can get it done. Nor can many teams. Dallas hasn't got it done. Carolina hasn't got it done. Toronto especially hasn't. They realize the window is now. I don't think this team with prospects like Yager and Solomonsson is going to be as good as they are now.

I mean Toronto are bigger choke artists than us but those other 2 teams have gone on numerous lengthy playoff runs which I'd deem a success.

 

[tbcwpg]

I mean Toronto are bigger choke artists than us but those other 2 teams have gone on numerous lengthy playoff runs which I'd deem a success.

Yet those other two in Dallas and Carolina are not satisfied with that, as evidenced by the moves they made.

 

[roccerfeller]

Reality though is they added
Tarasenko last year
Barbashev and adin hill the year before
Colorado also grabbed josh manson and nico sturm - maybe jost too?
Tampa - savard and gaborik?

So a bit more...

But then we have added players over the years too

Not disagreeing with the question “did we do enough” when all those cup winners seemed stronger down the middle than us (although barron at center might be a sneaky good move) so their adds could be framed differently, but at the same time, if your current team is tops in the league, “dont fix what aint broke” is fair as well

 

[gojetsgo]

in a market where beauvillier gets a 2nd lol...

 

[BobTheSolarsystem]

But then we have added players over the years too

Not disagreeing with the question “did we do enough” when all those cup winners seemed stronger down the middle than us (although barron at center might be a sneaky good move) so their adds could be framed differently, but at the same time, if your current team is tops in the league, “dont fix what aint broke” is fair as well

Im a huge barron fan

 

[Buffdog]

in a market where beauvillier gets a 2nd lol...

Teams had other needs

Was anyone looking for a slow, streaky scoring winger?

 

[DharmaBum]

Teams had other needs

Was anyone looking for a slow, streaky scoring winger?

As a playoff mercenary, I would say yes to him being worth a 1st rounder.

His playoff stat line is 29GP, 11G, 12A, 23PTS.

Now, do teams in the playoffs think that's an upgrade on what they already have at wing...I don't know.

Just looking at the numbers one would think he would be a good addition, but maybe teams have a different take on him.

And just to be a jerk, would one rather have playoff Ehlers or playoff Boeser?

Ehlers is 37GP, 4G, 10A, 14PTS.

It just seems a little odd that with the cost of acquisition that Boeser somehow didn't meet that bar.

 

[Buffdog]

As a playoff mercenary, I would say yes to him being worth a 1st rounder.

His playoff stat line is 29GP, 11G, 12A, 23PTS.

Now, do teams in the playoffs think that's an upgrade on what they already have at wing...I don't know.

Just looking at the numbers one would think he would be a good addition, but maybe teams have a different take on him.

And just to be a jerk, would one rather have playoff Ehlers or playoff Boeser?

Ehlers is 37GP, 4G, 10A, 14PTS.

It just seems a little odd that with the cost of acquisition that Boeser somehow didn't meet that bar.

I'm not saying he wouldn't be a good add to a team that needs him...my question is... did anyone need him based on what he is?

We didn't have a spot for him
Dallas is stacked
Colorado plays a speed game
Etc...

Maybe there just wasn't a fit for him

 

[The Unknown Poster]

The reason you consider trading Perfetti for cozens is because the thing holding Winnipeg back is 2C. It’s easier to plug a winger spot than a C. Jets have had one year or two with Dubois and something like 8 years of no 2C. Chevy knows this so it’s on him and complete failure to address.

Chevy also is not required to pay the price on deadline day. He can look at deals on the off season. And still no 2C.

Draft and develop is great until you lose good players for nothing or develop them so badly that they want to leave, you won’t let them and their value plummets over time.

 

[GaryPoppins]

Yeah. My guess is this:

- The Nelson trade was truly out of chevys control. Either Nelson at the 11th hour decided to not agree to go to Winnipeg once he realized Colorado was seriously interested in him, or alternatively NY simply valued Colorado’s prospect than our top prospect (yager… and frankly there’s a good argument to make to not make that trade if you’re Chevy even if NY takes it… but if Colorado’s prospect is better than ours, it’s over and Nelson goes to Colorado in any event).

- B. Schenn: very possible that he wasn't really on the table, absent a wild enormous overpay return. The blues didn’t trade anyone yesterday if my memory serves right.

- ROR: again not sure he was really on the table, and Nashville were treating it as if he had a NTC and ROR has term left, so very possible he simply wasn’t an option.

- Laughton - frankly he’s not a 2C and the leafs massively overpaid IMO. I just don’t think that would’ve really filled the void even if we did overpay to get him.

All this to say: was I initially disappointed by not landing a big name (particularly a 2C)? Yes. But not sure that this was really Chevy messing it up. We don’t know the details. And people saying « well he should’ve gotten it done regardless » may not appreciate that the reality may have been: there were no options.

I still think we needed an upgrade on 64 and by all accounts, we will see a Schenn Stanley pairing which is utterly terrifying