Speculation: 2024/25 Trade Rumours, Speculation etc Thread

[Gil Fisher]

I still like Ryan Strome from the ducks. 2C numbers, his cap hit is reasonable, and has one more year after this one. Clear upgrade to Names and putting up good numbers this year on a crap Ducks team

Strome for Barlow and a 3rd?

I was looking at Strome as well for a while. But it seems he is not a clear upgrade on Vlad and may even be worse in the faceoff circle.

 

[BobTheSolarsystem]

Yeah I don't know why they keep FAFO-ing with pulling Miller in and out to see what Stanley looks like with anyone else, when they should really be pulling Stanley in and out to see what everyone else looks like with Miller.

That 90% GF seems like a certain regression candidate. Hopefully it doesn't all happen in mid to late April...

I would have liked to see a full run of miller-pionk

 

[CanMerc]

Is winnipeg that different from buffalo

Peg is more hospitable

 

[DRW204]

Yeah I don't know why they keep FAFO-ing with pulling Miller in and out to see what Stanley looks like with anyone else, when they should really be pulling Stanley in and out to see what everyone else looks like with Miller.

That 90% GF seems like a certain regression candidate. Hopefully it doesn't all happen in mid to late April...

Unless Helle hits the bed against 4th lines... They're extremely sheltered looking at Woodmoney's quality of competition stats.

10 GF on 10 xGF (more of a fwd stat)
1 GA on 10 xGA

Mid on offense when they're on the ice and huge goaltending bump, against bottoms of Fwds depth chart.

 

[bustamente]

I know a few really liked him but........................... also way to many umlaut's

 

[Heldig]

I do not want Chevy to offer a 1st or a recent top prospect for a rental.

 

[raideralex99]

I like what he says about home ice advantage, even though the last 2 playoffs never went well he still says it's a advantage to play in front of our fans.

I noticed that about all the Jets being interviewed ... they always say they enjoy playing in front of the great Jet fans.

 

[sipowicz]

I do not want Chevy to offer a 1st or a recent top prospect for a rental.

Chevy has t exactly been knocking it put of the park with his first round picks!

 

[avtarb]

More than likely the first round pick amounts to nothing but a future bottom 6 forward or a career farm team guy.. jets are contenders and need to sacrifice what ever it takes to solidify they chances of winning now...helly deserves a cup having a vezina caliber goalie is a blessing and jets need to load up on some defenseman with size who can keep guys from getting in front of goalie or crashing the front of the net..

 

[Heldig]

Chevy has t exactly been knocking it put of the park with his first round picks!

Very true.

Still, do not want to trade one for a rental.

 

[avtarb]

Very true.

Still, do not want to trade one for a rental.

Chevy will trade for a guy with term or someone he thinks he can retain in off-season.. not many teams can afford to give up first round picks.. Chevy won't make same mistake twice he knows that catching the biggest fish doesn't nessasarly translate to success on the ice... brock boeser be nice addition cuz there's good chance they can retain him at a decent aav.. no way he's getting much of a raise if any based on his recent production..

 

[Puckatron 3000]

Still, do not want to trade one for a rental.

Most teams across the league would easily have a 1st in play in a year their team is #1 in the league at the TDL. Even for a rental. That doesn't necessarily mean the Jets should do it. But if we shouldn't, it's interesting to think about why.

Maybe the Jets couldn't financially survive going all-in during good years, with the associated loss in draft and prospect capital which leads to rebuild years later on. So maybe it is a financial thing. For ticket sales, it's better to try to be pretty good all the time, instead of maximizing contender years then being shitty for years after.

Or maybe trying to be pretty good most years gives you a better chance at the cup than maximizing a few of the best years. More tickets to the big show, just lesser odds with each one. A GM has to feel like they have a long leash, and long tenure to think long term like that, and Chevy does. It's how TNSE operates.

Or maybe the Jets just don't have the same opportunities at the TDL, and so it makes sense to operate differently than other teams.

 

[voyageur]

Most teams across the league would easily have a 1st in play in a year their team is #1 in the league at the TDL. Even for a rental. That doesn't necessarily mean the Jets should do it. But if we shouldn't, it's interesting to think about why.

Maybe the Jets couldn't financially survive going all-in during good years, with the associated loss in draft and prospect capital which leads to rebuild years later on. So maybe it is a financial thing. For ticket sales, it's better to try to be pretty good all the time, instead of maximizing contender years then being shitty for years after.

Or maybe trying to be pretty good most years gives you a better chance at the cup than maximizing a few of the best years. More tickets to the big show, just lesser odds with each one. A GM has to feel like they have a long leash, and long tenure to think long term like that, and Chevy does. It's how TNSE operates.

Or maybe the Jets just don't have the same opportunities at the TDL, and so it makes sense to operate differently than other teams.

I counted the Jets roster as 13 players who were drafted. Two of those ,Comrie and Appleton, took diversions on their way back, but being drafted by the Jets is what started the relationship with the organization.

More than half of the players who have been drafted have re-signed into their free agent years, so it's a long term draft and develop, from prospect to leadership or a different role.

Nine players on the Jets roster have been acquired from trade, 10 if you count Apples.

You can count Pionk, Nino, De Melo, Namestnikov and Miller as players who have signed into or beyond free agents years after arriving here.

Scott Arniel described it as something the organization is built on, treating players the right way to make them want to stay.

But I can't think of one team that has as few free agents on their roster. Haydn Fleury is the only player on the roster who signed from outside the organization. Every other player in that regards is a spare part. I think that changes the way the team is operated. Values the draft. And uses trades wisely to build a roster.

 

[surixon]

Most teams across the league would easily have a 1st in play in a year their team is #1 in the league at the TDL. Even for a rental. That doesn't necessarily mean the Jets should do it. But if we shouldn't, it's interesting to think about why.

Maybe the Jets couldn't financially survive going all-in during good years, with the associated loss in draft and prospect capital which leads to rebuild years later on. So maybe it is a financial thing. For ticket sales, it's better to try to be pretty good all the time, instead of maximizing contender years then being shitty for years after.

Or maybe trying to be pretty good most years gives you a better chance at the cup than maximizing a few of the best years. More tickets to the big show, just lesser odds with each one. A GM has to feel like they have a long leash, and long tenure to think long term like that, and Chevy does. It's how TNSE operates.

Or maybe the Jets just don't have the same opportunities at the TDL, and so it makes sense to operate differently than other teams.

Good post. As it stands we don't exactly have a glut of A young assets.

We have a couple of good mid 20 guys in Snerg and Vilardi but neither have committed long term yet. We also have a good young player in Perfetti. But that is it from the mid to young 20 group on the roster in terms of impact talent.

We will need a lot more in the way of young talent to emerge and our pool while having some promising players also has its share of question marks:

Salmonsson and Yager trending towards good two-way top 4 and top 6 players.

Lambert has been hit and miss the last two years but still tracks as a middle 6 caliber player.

Chibrikov is tracking like a potential middle 6 guy as well.

After that it gets harder to project especially with the following three first rpund picks:

Barlow has trended down in scoring each year since his draft. He's looking like a one trick poney that isn't able to dominate kids younger and smaller then him.

Lucius just can't stay healthy and has had his development stall. Looking like a very long shot to make it at this point.

Heinola has also had his development impacted by injuries. He can't seem to carve out a role here and will likely be gone soon.

That is three 1st rounders 2019, 2021, and 2023 that are looking pretty bad. Flaming out on three first round picks coupled with a miss in 2017 will set the org back unless we get some surprises from some of our late rounders, some of them who are looking pretty promising.

So I guess the question is how does Chevy see his pool and does he think he can afford to part with another high pick.

 

[macmaroon]

I know a few really liked him but........................... also way to many umlaut's

It didn't Määttä anyway...

 

[Puckatron 3000]

Good post. As it stands we don't exactly have a glut of A young assets.

We have a couple of good mid 20 guys in Snerg and Vilardi but neither have committed long term yet. We also have a good young player in Perfetti. But that is it from the mid to young 20 group on the roster in terms of impact talent.

We will need a lot more in the way of young talent to emerge and our pool while having some promising players also has its share of question marks:

Salmonsson and Yager trending towards good two-way top 4 and top 6 players.

Lambert has been hit and miss the last two years but still tracks as a middle 6 caliber player.

Chibrikov is tracking like a potential middle 6 guy as well.

After that it gets harder to project especially with the fallowing three first rpund picks:

Barlow has trended down in scoring each year since his draft. He's looking like a one trick poney that isn't able to dominate kids younger and smaller then him.

Lucius just can't stay healthy and has had his development stall. Looking like a very long shot to make it at this point.

Heinola has also had his development impacted by injuries. He can't seem to carve out a role here and will likely be gone soon.

That is three 1st rounders 2019, 2021, and 2023 that are looking pretty bad. Flaming out on three first round picks coupled with a miss in 2017 will set the org back unless we get some surprises from some of our late rounders some of them who are looking pretty promising.

So I guess the question is how does Chevy see his pool and does he think he can afford to part with another high pick.

Thanks, good response!

Yeah, fast forwarding a number of years, it will be interesting to see whether the Jets can maintain a competitive team that makes the playoffs most years, and has some semblance of a chance at the cup during some of them. If they can, then being stingy with 1st round picks is justifiable. If they can't, and we just end up spending a bunch of years in the mushy middle, then not going all-in now will look like a huge mistake.

We drafted pretty great in the 1st round for the first 5 years or so of Jets 2.0. But our draft position was higher, and it has been much more hit and miss (a lot of misses) since. That's concerning for the long-term competitive plan. Although maybe a couple good/lucky later round picks (e.g. He, Walton) will offset those losses.

Time will tell.

 

[Wpgpage]

I doubt he's on the Jets radar but I would love to get Novak out of Nashville. The guy is a player he is having a terrible year but it's not really his fault he's still generating scoring opportunities his teammates just can not finish 50 point player on a low scoring NSH team can probably be a 55 point guy on a higher scoring team. Signed 2 more years at 3.5.

 

[surixon]

Thanks, good response!

Yeah, fast forwarding a number of years, it will be interesting to see whether the Jets can maintain a competitive team that makes the playoffs most years, and has some semblance of a chance at the cup during some of them. If they can, then being stingy with 1st round picks is justifiable. If they can't, and we just end up spending a bunch of years in the mushy middle, then not going all-in now will look like a huge mistake.

We drafted pretty great in the 1st round for the first 5 years or so of Jets 2.0. But our draft position was higher, and it has been much more hit and miss (a lot of misses) since. That's concerning for the long-term competitive plan. Although maybe a couple good/lucky later round picks (e.g. He, Walton) will offset those losses.

Time will tell.

Yup, my concern is we have nothing in the system other then Salomonsson and Freij on defense in the system and I really don't yet have a good read on Freij ourside of hes tracking behind Elias at the same age.

I have more faith in our young forwards and DiVincentiis in net then I do with us being able to assemble a quality dcpre once JoMo slows down.

 

[voyageur]

Good post. As it stands we don't exactly have a glut of A young assets.

We have a couple of good mid 20 guys in Snerg and Vilardi but neither have committed long term yet. We also have a good young player in Perfetti. But that is it from the mid to young 20 group on the roster in terms of impact talent.

We will need a lot more in the way of young talent to emerge and our pool while having some promising players also has its share of question marks:

Salmonsson and Yager trending towards good two-way top 4 and top 6 players.

Lambert has been hit and miss the last two years but still tracks as a middle 6 caliber player.

Chibrikov is tracking like a potential middle 6 guy as well.

After that it gets harder to project especially with the following three first rpund picks:

Barlow has trended down in scoring each year since his draft. He's looking like a one trick poney that isn't able to dominate kids younger and smaller then him.

Lucius just can't stay healthy and has had his development stall. Looking like a very long shot to make it at this point.

Heinola has also had his development impacted by injuries. He can't seem to carve out a role here and will likely be gone soon.

That is three 1st rounders 2019, 2021, and 2023 that are looking pretty bad. Flaming out on three first round picks coupled with a miss in 2017 will set the org back unless we get some surprises from some of our late rounders, some of them who are looking pretty promising.

So I guess the question is how does Chevy see his pool and does he think he can afford to part with another high pick.

I wonder what kind of impact you can expect from a #30ish draft pick in what is considered a weak draft. There's always draft picks that fly under the radar that can have an impact, look at Faber in 2020, so maybe it's a good position to have a draft pick that can be traded down if you want a player in the 2nd round instead of that late 1st. If it wasn't for the 2022 draft that netted Yager through trade, Lambert, Salomonsson and Di Vincentiis it's hard to say the prospect depth would be competitive.

But at this point there also has to be a window, where the core of this team ages out, and there isn't enough quality prospects to make up the difference.

I am not sure that window can be extended by the draft at this point, especially when it is much harder to find impact players deeper into drafts, so that's Chevy's dilemna.

 

[Puckatron 3000]

More than half of the players who have been drafted have re-signed into their free agent years, so it's a long term draft and develop, from prospect to leadership or a different role.

The "develop" part of draft and develop is a hard thing to quantify.

If you look at say Buffalo, or a bunch of years of the Oilers, or maybe even Bedard on the hawks (although it's too early to make a call on that), those are good cautionary tales. Tanking and going for high draft picks, at the expense of team culture and a healthy, competitive NHL team can stunt high draft picks. So you may be getting a great prospect with great talent, who never reaches their full potential.

So how much do you actually lose by drafting lower, but having a good system and good team to develop young players in? Clearly the talent level is lower with lower picks, but they are more likely achieve their full potential.

That's an argument for the Jets keeping their draft picks.

 

[Mad Dog Tannen]

Kinda wild. Less than 4 full days to go and no jets rfa or ufa announcements. And no trades announced today league wide.

Might be a crazy sprint to the finish.

 

[surixon]

I wonder what kind of impact you can expect from a #30ish draft pick in what is considered a weak draft. There's always draft picks that fly under the radar that can have an impact, look at Faber in 2020, so maybe it's a good position to have a draft pick that can be traded down if you want a player in the 2nd round instead of that late 1st. If it wasn't for the 2022 draft that netted Yager through trade, Lambert, Salomonsson and Di Vincentiis it's hard to say the prospect depth would be competitive.

But at this point there also has to be a window, where the core of this team ages out, and there isn't enough quality prospects to make up the difference.

I am not sure that window can be extended by the draft at this point, especially when it is much harder to find impact players deeper into drafts, so that's Chevy's dilemna.

At the very least it would give us another quality prospect that could be peddled for a mid 20's player with term.

I think that is what the team is likely going to have to do to stay competitive.

I'd be taking a page out of Washington's play book and trying to get mid 20 something former high picks like Strome that haven't fully broken out.

Washington through a couple shrewd moves have opened their window up.again.

 

[The Blue Baron]

I do not want Chevy to offer a 1st or a recent top prospect for a rental.

Ok agree this is Winnipeg we need to continue to restock the cupboards. Always draft and develop. It is the only way they survive long term. Chevy is average on first round picks.

 

[Buffdog]

I wonder what kind of impact you can expect from a #30ish draft pick in what is considered a weak draft. There's always draft picks that fly under the radar that can have an impact, look at Faber in 2020, so maybe it's a good position to have a draft pick that can be traded down if you want a player in the 2nd round instead of that late 1st. If it wasn't for the 2022 draft that netted Yager through trade, Lambert, Salomonsson and Di Vincentiis it's hard to say the prospect depth would be competitive.

But at this point there also has to be a window, where the core of this team ages out, and there isn't enough quality prospects to make up the difference.

I am not sure that window can be extended by the draft at this point, especially when it is much harder to find impact players deeper into drafts, so that's Chevy's dilemna.

A while ago I looked into it and a guy picked 30th overall has a 50/50 chance of playing 100 NHL games in their career

I'm sure that there are models out there to determine the value of those things, but if you traded our 1st this year for Laughton (just for an example - I'm not advocating for this at all), you'd be guaranteeing 100 games out of him in your organization

 

[10Ducky10]

Take a swing Chevy. A big one...