Speculation: 2024/25 Trade Rumours, Speculation etc Thread

[Bob E]

I'm not a huge Risto fan either, though I'm hopeful if the Jets trade for him, it reduces their perceived need or desire to have Stanley in the lineup. Addition by subtraction, and all that. Risto would be that big physical dman, that would be an upgrade on Stanley.

But if they still want Stanley in the lineup, I shudder to think what a potential 3rd pairing of Stanley/Risto would look like in the d-zone during the playoffs against high powered teams like Colorado, Dallas, Edmonton or Vegas.

 

[Cotton Eye Joe]

That was what was supposed to have happened with him under Torts in Philly. Properly dumbed down defense, don't do anything complicated. Didn't work.

He just doesn't have the hockey IQ to be a good NHL player.

Bingo!
When I watch him play, he looks very appealing. Great size, skating, skill.
However, he is burnt repeatedly and his hockey IQ is poor. Not very physical also.

 

[Bob E]

Had to look it up. Risto has two more years on his contract after this year. That could work in your favor, or be an anchor deal that gets bought out like Schmidt.

Unless you know that Pionk wants to test FA, I'm not sure he's a guy that you go after. He's just not a sure thing.

Cap wise, it doesn't make sense either. If you resign Pionk, then you have 3 right side guys making $17M ($4.9M, $5.1M and whatever you sign Pionk for, say $7M). With JMo and Samberg likely coming in slightly over $10M, I just don't think we see that investment on the right side, even with the cap going up. With PB guys, your over $30M on your D. You also delay Salomonsson's NHL arrival.

It likely will cost almost $50M in cap space to keep Scheifele, Connor, Ehlers, Vilardi, Perfetti, Lowry and Nino, not to mention additional money if they trade or sign a 2C. Helle is another $8.5M so your available cap space is minimal with around 6-7 guys to add to the roster.

I guess I'm saying, if they Jets trade for Risto, and don't include Pionk or DeMelo in the deal, then Pionk is as good as gone, and I'm not sure you're further ahead.

 

[10Ducky10]

So really he's Vlad with an extra 10-15 ilbs a better FO % and a more sustainable offensive profile. (Vlad is rocking a 19% shooting) Also he's 26 vs 32. Vlad's not getting any better and while I dont think there's suddenly a 60 point player in Frost if I was betting on who was going to continue to produce at around a 45 point clip for the next 1.5 - 3 years I'd be laying my money on the 26 year old.

We only gave up a 4th for Names.

 

[Buffdog]

Had to look it up. Risto has two more years on his contract after this year. That could work in your favor, or be an anchor deal that gets bought out like Schmidt.

Unless you know that Pionk wants to test FA, I'm not sure he's a guy that you go after. He's just not a sure thing.

Cap wise, it doesn't make sense either. If you resign Pionk, then you have 3 right side guys making $17M ($4.9M, $5.1M and whatever you sign Pionk for, say $7M). With JMo and Samberg likely coming in slightly over $10M, I just don't think we see that investment on the right side, even with the cap going up. With PB guys, your over $30M on your D. You also delay Salomonsson's NHL arrival.

It likely will cost almost $50M in cap space to keep Scheifele, Connor, Ehlers, Vilardi, Perfetti, Lowry and Nino, not to mention additional money if they trade or sign a 2C. Helle is another $8.5M so your available cap space is minimal with around 6-7 guys to add to the roster.

I guess I'm saying, if they Jets trade for Risto, and don't include Pionk or DeMelo in the deal, then Pionk is as good as gone, and I'm not sure you're further ahead.

The only thing I could think of is that Chevy knows Pionk has a foot out the door and wants to test UFA

If they trade for Risto AND re-sign Pionk, they're basically condemning Salo to the Moose for two seasons after this one, unless they swtich someone to the left side to play 3LD

 

[Whileee]

The only thing I could think of is that Chevy knows Pionk has a foot out the door and wants to test UFA

If they trade for Risto AND re-sign Pionk, they're basically condemning Salo to the Moose for two seasons after this one, unless they swtich someone to the left side to play 3LD

I tend to agree that Risto would clog the RD pipeline.

I remain very puzzled that Arniel seems to have no confidence in Miller. He's even forcing Fleury into the lineup over Miller.

It's really too bad that Salomonsson's injury kept him from a solid AHL development season. After two solid years in a key role in the SHL and a strong half season or more in the AHL he might have been ready for a 3RD role with the Jets. He could be an asset on the PK, too.

 

[Buffdog]

I tend to agree that Risto would clog the RD pipeline.

I remain very puzzled that Arniel seems to have no confidence in Miller. He's even forcing Fleury into the lineup over Miller.

It's really too bad that Salomonsson's injury kept him from a solid AHL development season. After two solid years in a key role in the SHL and a strong half season or more in the AHL he might have been ready for a 3RD role with the Jets. He could be an asset on the PK, too.

Miller is a weird case. If you look at his games played per season, he's only played more than 60 games 7 times in his career going back to junior (16 seasons)

No idea how much of that is due to durability and how much is healthy scratches... but I've thought all season that it seems clear that he should be on the bottom pairing on the right side when healthy

 

[BobTheSolarsystem]

Really think you could get Copp cheap from Detroit - and retained... Seemed miscast by Lalonde and looks decent with DeBrincat... still think he's the best C for Ehlers chemistry. At worst, he frees up Lowry to move back to our shutdown line.

Wouldn't be surprised if Heinola is the price for him...

 

[Bob E]

I tend to agree that Risto would clog the RD pipeline.

I remain very puzzled that Arniel seems to have no confidence in Miller. He's even forcing Fleury into the lineup over Miller.

It's really too bad that Salomonsson's injury kept him from a solid AHL development season. After two solid years in a key role in the SHL and a strong half season or more in the AHL he might have been ready for a 3RD role with the Jets. He could be an asset on the PK, too.

Agreed. And I don't think we should be clogging RD with expensive contracts when we will need Salo's ELC to offset salary increases to Vilardi, Samberg, Connor and potentially Ehlers.

RE Miller, I'm sure some of it earlier on was to get Stanley and Heinola games in order to really know what you have with those young players before the TDL. The team was winning, so I'm sure there was no need to change it up too much. But now, playing Stanley on the right side ahead of Miller just seems like poor player deployment, even if getting Fleury games was the aim.

Stanley is what he is. A 7/8 dman that can add size when inserted in the lineup, but he should not be in the lineup when the games really matter, if at all avoidable. Especially ahead of Miller.

If the Jets don't add to their d group and then play those players ahead of Stanley and Heinola, then it's a huge miss on their part, imo.

 

[Jet]

I honestly don't see the allure with Miller. He's at the bottom of my list of our bottom 5. He's fine as an injury replacement, but he doesn't do anything particularly well.

 

[Wpgpage]

We only gave up a 4th for Names.

As a 30 year old upcoming UFA the price for. A guy with at minimum a year of term left is obviously going to be higher.

I honestly don't see the allure with Miller. He's at the bottom of my list of our bottom 5. He's fine as an injury replacement, but he doesn't do anything particularly well.

I don't really see it either but the fancy stats would tell you that he's the Jets 3rd best defenseman I think?

I still think everyone is way overestimating how quickly Salomonsson is going to be NHL ready. With Samberg he played 3 years in college then a COVID shortened AHL year another AHL year with some injury call up time in the NHL. Obviously all prospects don't develop at the same pace but after the injury this year I would be shocked if he is anything more than a injury call up next year. 26/27 I think is a much more realistic.

 

[Jet]

As a 30 year old upcoming UFA the price for. A guy with at minimum a year of term left is obviously going to be higher.


I don't really see it either but the fancy stats would tell you that he's the Jets 3rd best defenseman I think?

I still think everyone is way overestimating how quickly Salomonsson is going to be NHL ready. With Samberg he played 3 years in college then a COVID shortened AHL year another AHL year with some injury call up time in the NHL. Obviously all prospects don't develop at the same pace but after the injury this year I would be shocked if he is anything more than a injury call up next year. 26/27 I think is a much more realistic.

Yeah that's pretty much par for the course here. I see at the least one more year with the Moose and then maybe some spot duty the year after.

I feel really confident pionk will re-sign. Seems both parties are very motivated to make it happen.

For all the talk about the Jets not being able to keep our players we seem to do a really good job in that area

 

[Mad Dog Tannen]

The center we missed out on last TD is now a 3rd line albatross in boston...

And the centre we missed out on in the summer is a first line beast now playing on the avalanche.

Circle of life.

 

[Joe Hallenback]

Jets are being linked to Buffalo. Wouldn't shock me to see the Jets putting in a call to see about Power or Byram

 

[DRW204]

And the centre we missed out on in the summer is a first line beast now playing on the avalanche.

Circle of life.

Necas? Don't think he plays Center really.

Monahan though... He's been well worth the 5m this year.

 

[gojetsgo]

Jets are being linked to Buffalo. Wouldn't shock me to see the Jets putting in a call to see about Power or Byram

source?

 

[Joe Hallenback]

source?

Pagnotta

 

[gojetsgo]

Pagnotta

oh, so nothing will come from that

 

[Mad Dog Tannen]

Necas? Don't think he plays Center really.

Monahan though... He's been well worth the 5m this year.

Oh sorry. You are totally right!

For some reason I thought he played centre.

Duh!

 

[Whileee]

Jets are being linked to Buffalo. Wouldn't shock me to see the Jets putting in a call to see about Power or Byram

Where would they fit? Morrissey and Samberg seem to be fixtures at LD. I suppose Byram could play his off-side, but I'm not sure about Power.

If it's the Sabres, wouldn't a forward be a more likely target? If Chevy is going "all in", that might mean parting with a near-ready prospect like Lambert and a pick. Then you have to wonder about Cozens or maybe even Tuch, if he would waive his NTC.

 

[gojetsgo]

Where would they fit? Morrissey and Samberg seem to be fixtures at LD. I suppose Byram could play his off-side, but I'm not sure about Power.

If it's the Sabres, wouldn't a forward be a more likely target? If Chevy is going "all in", that might mean parting with a near-ready prospect like Lambert and a pick. Then you have to wonder about Cozens or maybe even Tuch, if he would waive his NTC.

it makes zero sense for either team, it's just pagnotta throwing out shit and hoping it sticks, both teams have the exact same needs, center/rhd, so it makes zero sense for buffalo to trade one of their best trade pieces to the jets when they already have morrissey/samberg and can't give them back a center/rhd they are seeking

 

[Xavier Laflamme]

Where would they fit? Morrissey and Samberg seem to be fixtures at LD. I suppose Byram could play his off-side, but I'm not sure about Power.

If it's the Sabres, wouldn't a forward be a more likely target? If Chevy is going "all in", that might mean parting with a near-ready prospect like Lambert and a pick. Then you have to wonder about Cozens or maybe even Tuch, if he would waive his NTC.

I don't see us going for Power, he would cost way to much and we just simply don't have what they are looking for, Byram could be a possibility but one would think Cozens should be the priority to solve our 2C woes (or at least that would be the hope) but again not sure we have what they want in return.

As for Tuch it's not gonna happen, he doesn't want to move and their GM has already said he probably won't move him.

 

[Joe Hallenback]

Where would they fit? Morrissey and Samberg seem to be fixtures at LD. I suppose Byram could play his off-side, but I'm not sure about Power.

If it's the Sabres, wouldn't a forward be a more likely target? If Chevy is going "all in", that might mean parting with a near-ready prospect like Lambert and a pick. Then you have to wonder about Cozens or maybe even Tuch, if he would waive his NTC.

I think its more of getting a guy who is under contract with a ton of upside. Chevy values D and if you think back to the 2018 team we had 3 pairs who could play against any line. I think he would love to have that again.

Saying that the cost is probably not something we could pay. I am guessing Buffalo wouldn't want a draft picks/prospects deal. But we fleeced them once maybe we can do it again

 

[jokesondee]

I dont think theres really anything on the Sabres that makes sense for the Jets. I mean Cozens i guess but he's signed for eternity at 7 mil+ per and has been pretty meh this season. Team worst -18 to boot.

 

[voyageur]

I don't see us going for Power, he would cost way to much and we just simply don't have what they are looking for, Byram could be a possibility but one would think Cozens should be the priority to solve our 2C woes (or at least that would be the hope) but again not sure we have what they want in return.

As for Tuch it's not gonna happen, he doesn't want to move and their GM has already said he probably won't move him.

I think Byram would be the guy. Having a skater who can move around the lineup. I'd be really interested to see what Morrissey and Byram together could do offensively.

Cozens is such a high risk move midseason for a team that is working well chemistry wise. If he didn't work out, or find chemistry does he have a Buffalo like impact in sinking a 2nd line, which is what he did under a good coach like Lindy Ruff.

It just seems too high risk to bank on that guy for a team that is well tuned like the Jets. But there's some people who think he will break out the moment he gets out of Buffalo, so you never know.