Speculation: 2024/25 Trade Rumours, Speculation etc Thread

[Mortimer Snerd]

I'd still be aiming for Copp or Boone Jenner

Boone Jenner hasn't played a game yet this season.

Copp could probably be had pretty cheaply.

 

[BobTheSolarsystem]

Boone Jenner hasn't played a game yet this season.

Copp could probably be had pretty cheaply.

Jenner is just back on active roster this week i think...

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Jenner is just back on active roster this week i think...

Not just this year, he has a worse injury history than Ehlers. I don't know what this latest injury was, but injuries can have a cumulative effect. Is he still any good? Will he be able to avoid the next injury?

 

[BobTheSolarsystem]

Not just this year, he has a worse injury history than Ehlers. I don't know what this latest injury was, but injuries can have a cumulative effect. Is he still any good? Will he be able to avoid the next injury?

I believe he had shoulder surgery to fix the ongoing issue... its a gamble but hes an impact player on a stupid cheap contract - jackets are still in the hunt though so im not sure they trade him

 

[raideralex99]

What did he expect? Didn't he turn down an offer and basically say that he wouldn't negotiate?

Play stupid games....

Yup play stupid games you will find out real quick how dumb you are.

 

[BobTheSolarsystem]

Yup play stupid games you will find out real quick how dumb you are.

Same agent as Laine, Drai... and Vilardi...!!!

 

[voyageur]

I agree....the second line has never been settled. Chevy has tried to get a centre for awhile now to no avail. It has been a viable line only because of Ehlers. At this point, i would look for a hard nosed scoring winger for the line and run again with CP or Names at centre for continunity........If he trades Ehlers it will be the mistake of his long career.

I thought the 2nd line looked good with Ehlers out. Maybe not with Lambo at C, but when Chibrikov got called up, he put up 2 goals in his first 2 games and Perfetti's strong board work led to the GWG against SJS. 7 points earned in 4 games there.

But that's the Jets depth mentality. Next man up. Scheif goes down on the PP, score without him.

Lowry goes down Kupari and Gus step up.

So far this season Dylan Samberg's injury was the most noticeable in a negative impact. Though losing Nik on the PP did have an immediate impact as well. I think losing Valardi would have an impact, and obviously long term losing any of top 4 core players would devastate the team.

But when Chevy makes a trade or trades I think he'll consider that impact that Sammy's absence had on the team.

Namestnikov wasn't supposed to be the 2C, I think preseason most people had Lambert in that spot, but he was more effective. Namestnikov playing 2C last year also yielded positive results in many ways. I'm not sure it's so much about points but being able to carry the puck with speed through the neutral zone and take his lumps/ice packs defensively.

It will be interesting to see how Chevy moves because Arniel has used speed up the middle as part of his strategy that lets the d men be more aggressive.

I think Lowry might be the answer to let Ehlers have more space out there, as I think he gets it this year, how to play within the structure, with his skillset. Is there another Adam Lowy out there?

I still think speed is one key to Arny's coaching style, and it is clear he prefers skaters as PKing forwards so far.

I can't see Chevy trading anyone off this team. It's a tight group.

 

[Wpgpage]

I don't really think Frost is a massive upgrade either, I think he's better than Namestnikov but not by a huge margin. I think he makes sense for a few reasons though.

#1 cheap contract for the remainder of this year and one more year of RFA status. Gives Chevy lots of cap flexibility

#2 still young has some upside maybe getting him into a new environment unlocks something

#3 years of control aligns well with Yager & Lambert's development timeline. He can come in man the fort at 2C for a year and a half after which you plan to have one of those two guys ready for the role.

Unless there's a move out there at the deadline for a huge upgrade which I kind of doubt I think he makes sense as an upgrade on what they have for a relatively limited cost.

 

[TheJadePipe]

I don't really think Frost is a massive upgrade either, I think he's better than Namestnikov but not by a huge margin. I think he makes sense for a few reasons though.

#1 cheap contract for the remainder of this year and one more year of RFA status. Gives Chevy lots of cap flexibility

#2 still young has some upside maybe getting him into a new environment unlocks something

#3 years of control aligns well with Yager & Lambert's development timeline. He can come in man the fort at 2C for a year and a half after which you plan to have one of those two guys ready for the role.

Unless there's a move out there at the deadline for a huge upgrade which I kind of doubt I think he makes sense as an upgrade on what they have for a relatively limited cost.

Agree 100%.
We have enough scoring, our big need is a Dman,
When Sammy went down , it was more than obvious, we can plug and play forwards.
Risto and Frost is the move.
Big strong Dman, and Center depth

 

[Heldig]

Agree 100%.
We have enough scoring, our big need is a Dman,
When Sammy went down , it was more than obvious, we can plug and play forwards.
Risto and Frost is the move.
Big strong Dman, and Center depth

So what do you propose to give up for those 2?

 

[TheJadePipe]

So what do you propose to give up for those 2?

Expendable pieces, Lambert, Ville, Stanley, 1st are what we can work with

 

[voyageur]

Agree 100%.
We have enough scoring, our big need is a Dman,
When Sammy went down , it was more than obvious, we can plug and play forwards.
Risto and Frost is the move.
Big strong Dman, and Center depth

I'd be surprised if Frost is anywhere near the Jets radar. Just looking through stats and he's not a PKer on the Flyers, and you would think that if you take a PKer out of the lineup, which is what will happen if someone goes in to the top 6, knocking either Kupari or Barron out of the lineup, that another one comes in. I don't think PK improves by negation.

Jets are a surprisingly good offensive team, with some "underachieving" offensive players. Good enough for 2nd in the league, a second decimal point from being tops.

If the Jets were looking at Toews and we know they were, and they were looking at Henrique offseason, I'd still think the Jets are looking for a faceoff guy with some defensive chops. Maybe Kupari has solidified a role here, I'm not sure what the team would think of him. I'm not expecting goals out of him that's for sure.

Frost is decent on the draw, but he's listed as the heaviest o-zone player on the Flyers, so that's Scheifele/Vilardi's draws.

 

[Heldig]

Expendable pieces, Lambert, Ville, Stanley, 1st are what we can work with

Oof. Ristolainen is what, the 3rd pair RW on the team? Frost is a depth C.

 

[Hunter368]

Yup play stupid games you will find out real quick how dumb you are.

Hockey is a business, but it goes both ways. Players often play hardball during contract negotiations, a sort of playing chicken in their UFA year.........well Past was rumored to be demanding 14 million, he was playing hardball in his UFA year with the obvious threat he would walk for free. The team decided ok Past won't budge from that 14 million threat so trade his ass out for multi assets. I'm ok with the players playing hardball but don't cry when the teams do it also. Good for Avs for calling him on his threat. IMO

 

[10Ducky10]

Frost is a 3C on the Jets at best and Risto a 3RHD or 4RHD.
I hope Chevy stays away from Risto.

 

[Wpgpage]

Expendable pieces, Lambert, Ville, Stanley, 1st are what we can work with

I've posted it a few times already but something like the Jake McCabe deal I think makes a lot of sense for both teams.

https://puckpedia.com/trade/629

That's the Jake McCabe deal. So the equivalent would be something like 2027 1st, 2026 2nd, David Gustafsson or Ville Heinola, signing rights to Dmitri Rashevsky.

Frost would be 5th on the Jets in 5 on 5 points per 60 at 1.78 just behind Gabe who is at 1.8. (Vlad is at 1.6) He is about 5% better on FOs than Vlad and he shoots way more 6.7 S/60 vs Vladdys 3.9. He has one more ES point with virtually the exact same TOI to date as Vlad. Thier Corsi for and against numbers are virtually identical as well.

So basically he's Vlad with an extra 10-15 ilbs a better FO % and a more sustainable offensive profile. (Vlad is rocking a 19% shooting) Also he's 26 vs 32. Vlad's not getting any better and while I dont think there's suddenly a 60 point player in Frost if I was betting on who was going to continue to produce at around a 45 point clip for the next 1.5 - 3 years I'd be laying my money on the 26 year old.

 

[Bob E]

Curious to know what Anaheim intends to do with Trevor Zegras. His stock might be a bit down after two years of injuries and below his usual rate of production.

Depending on cost, he’d be a player I’d hope the Jets consider for the 2C role. Jets would have to be comfortable that he could play within their defensive structure. If his play without the puck can follow team structure, his play with the puck can be as creative as he wants.

He’s playing LW now, as Strome, Carlsson, and MacTavish are their current C’s in the top 9 but is a natural C. Maybe they have interest in a bottom 6 player (Gus or Kupari), Barlow, and pick(s) for Zegras.

 

[bustamente]

I guess when he is a UFA at the end of the season since he loves Colorado so much he will go back at a cut rate price............hold on I have an inventory of bridges that I need to sell

 

[raideralex99]

Only a 5th for a 2018 2nd round pick ... I thought he was suppose to be good.

 

[James Lahey]

After the Rantanen trade the division is wide open. The Stars are a bit scary, but with a couple of pieces I think the Jets are right there. I think the D is still a bit too small for the playoffs and the never-ending #2C issue is back. You only get so many chances with an all-world goalie. Need some guys that play a playoff style.

You're also trying to get people into seats and re-generate some excitement. Winning in the playoffs will do that.

 

[Romang67]

Ristolainen would be an interesting get. I bet it would look really intimidating when he stands there on the ice scowling after the opposing team burns him for another goal against.

I wanted to give up nothing more than a 3rd rounder for Monahan last year. I'd wouldn't give that up for Ristolainen.

 

[DRW204]

Ristolainen would be an interesting get. I bet it would look really intimidating when he stands there on the ice scowling after the opposing team burns him for another goal against.

I wanted to give up nothing more than a 3rd rounder for Monahan last year. I'd wouldn't give that up for Ristolainen.

personally am not a proponent of risto. i have read that his play has improved quite a bit away from buffalo (surprise surprise). however, the Jets just got-out of, and are still paying a 3rd pair RHD that was originally making 5m+, so 7 months later, the Jets go and acquire essentially another one?
if the rationale is to cover the potential departure of Pionk in the off-season.... i really hope they go a different route.

 

[Romang67]

personally am not a proponent of risto. i have read that his play has improved quite a bit away from buffalo (surprise surprise). however, the Jets just got-out of, and are still paying a 3rd pair RHD that was originally making 5m+, so 7 months later, the Jets go and acquire essentially another one?
if the rationale is to cover the potential departure of Pionk in the off-season.... i really hope they go a different route.

I read that in the beginning of this season too. But after a blip on the radar in xGF% last season, Risto is right back to 2nd worst on the Flyers this season. He's also doing awful on GF%.

 

[Buffdog]

I read that in the beginning of this season too. But after a blip on the radar in xGF% last season, Risto is right back to 2nd worst on the Flyers this season. He's also doing awful on GF%.

I often wonder how a guy like Risto who has all the tools struggles so much. I'll admit that I don't watch much of him to form an opinion

Could it be that the right coach could simplify his D game and turn him around? Would being put on a team like the Jets who use a great defensive structure system make him look better?

 

[Romang67]

I often wonder how a guy like Risto who has all the tools struggles so much. I'll admit that I don't watch much of him to form an opinion

Could it be that the right coach could simplify his D game and turn him around? Would being put on a team like the Jets who use a great defensive structure system make him look better?

That was what was supposed to have happened with him under Torts in Philly. Properly dumbed down defense, don't do anything complicated. Didn't work.

He just doesn't have the hockey IQ to be a good NHL player.