“Wish we had Stanley back.”
If COL gets Crosby now, it’s hard to see how they aren’t the favourites in the West.
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If COL gets Crosby now, it’s hard to see how they aren’t the favourites in the West.
Buffdog
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I guess I misunderstood
I'm curious what his ask is. He's 9.25M now... will he be higher than Mackinnon and McDavid? I find that hard to believe... so even if he ends up at 12M long term, you'd think they'd find a way to make it work
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I heard Dallas has the cap space for JT Miller and are trying to get him but the Canucks don't want draft just picks and prospects ... its has to be top defenceman or top center involved.
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With everyone healthy...
Connor - Scheifele - Iafallo
Ehlers - Lowry - Vilardi
Perfetti - Namestnikov - Niederietter
Barron - Kupari - Appleton
Gustafsson
Is 2C the need? Or a top 6 RW with size?
Connor - Scheifele - Iafallo
Ehlers - Lowry - Vilardi
Perfetti - Namestnikov - Niederietter
Barron - Kupari - Appleton
Gustafsson
Is 2C the need? Or a top 6 RW with size?
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I can't say I would run those same lines, Iafallo for example is no 1RW, fine for a brief replacement but not long term, we definitely need a bonafide 2C as Lowry and Vlad ain't it, Chevy knows this as well, just need to wait and see what he is cooking up.
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Sidney Crosby coming to Winnipeg will never happen, but, it would be great on his resume to help the first Canadian team since 1993 to win a cup. Not to mention that it's an even greater story, that it's a small market team, that lost it's franchise at one point, that has never won the Stanley Cup (overlooking the Victorias), etc.
Most of the pieces are in place for him to win another ring (or two). We desperately need a guy like him, to help us get over the hump in the playoffs. In the dressing room, as much as on the ice. He has two years left after this one, and his contract really lines-up well with the Jets' core.
His contract also comes off the books at the right time, when (potentially) someone like Yager (if*) makes the jump.
It did cross my mind that GM's/agents put out Tweets that there's no way their guy is on the block, when in fact, it's just the opposite.
Most of the pieces are in place for him to win another ring (or two). We desperately need a guy like him, to help us get over the hump in the playoffs. In the dressing room, as much as on the ice. He has two years left after this one, and his contract really lines-up well with the Jets' core.
His contract also comes off the books at the right time, when (potentially) someone like Yager (if*) makes the jump.
It did cross my mind that GM's/agents put out Tweets that there's no way their guy is on the block, when in fact, it's just the opposite.
That was my point, if Lowry centers the 2nd line, what the team needs is a big upgrade on Iafallo in the top 6.
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People have to think of it conceptually.
If Lowry is the 2C he's still the shutdown center unless you replace him with someone as good in the defensive zone. When he had Ehlers and Iafallo as the winger that was a shutdown line, so I'd say no way does Gabe get on a shut down line.
That's why I think last night's game was an indication of how Arniel sees his lines.
Kupari got the shutdown role with Nino and Apples as the wingers. But that's probably where Scotty is leaning to, the best shutdown line in the league. That generates secondary offense. With Lowry instead of Kupari.
Now I know everyone is going to say that the need is a 2C between Ehlers and Perfetti, but realistically Perfetti has been more inconsistent than Namestnikov. And there's the fact that Vlad and Ehlers have some chemistry, and Namestnikov doesn't get scored on much, which can counteract Ehlers game when it goes bad with turnovers.
I really think this is the tough spot. Where the unicorn 2C is maybe Nelson, though I'd give it less than a 10% chance that he'd waive to come to Winnipeg, but I'm still not sure the guy getting kicked off the line is Namesnikov. So far Perfetti has been dropped off that line more than Namestnikov, that should be some indication of how it looks going forward. This is Scotty's team and he has expectations, that starts with defense. If Nelson was the add, I suspect he'd want the speed on the wing, someone who can skate with Ehlers. And defend with speed, since it would drop off from Vlad to Nelson. Maybe the add is a big scoring RW to complement Namestnikov and Ehlers. Say a Boeser type.
It's not clear cut to me which way Chevy is going to go here.
I think he's hesitant this season to disrupt chemistry that's been built. An outside player may not immediately fit in, and the longer you go to the deadline, the less time you have to fit them in. With Monahan the results were definitely not instant, I'd say the first weeks were a struggle, and it was only the PP where he first made his mark. Now you will have less time to integrate any player and a center in particular is important in how they play in Arniel's system, for the defensive side, so I see guys like Cozens being no gos in that respect. I think it's a real tough decision to be honest. Is there the right fit out there? Is it best to use Ehlers as a defensive player to create offense, or is it better to have him play more freewheeling without the grind that Lowry's line brings?
Chevy talked about the possibility of going big with trades, but he also mentioned that the best year the Jets had, the team that won the Cup, Washington, only made minor moves at the deadline. Kempny was their only impact acquisition
It should be noted that Caps team was stacked at C, with Backstrom, Kuznetsov, a prime Eller, and a young Chandler Stephenson up the middle.
I don't have any answers here, just some thoughts.
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Really, really good post and got me looking at things a bit differently
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When are Pittsburgh going to pull the plug and focus on the tank? And does that involve Crosby to Avs and Malkin dealt as well?
Geno still has enough in the tank of 2 playoff runs as a middle C? Full NMC.
Geno still has enough in the tank of 2 playoff runs as a middle C? Full NMC.
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I'd go for Risto and Seeler. The Jets have been rumoured to be interested in Seeler before, and though he has trade protection, maybe he agrees to join the Jets as a good Minnesota lad might. The opportunity to play playoff games might be a pretty good incentive to agree to a move.
Perhaps something like Risto+Seeler for Pionk (re-signed)+Stanley. Later picks to even out value.
JMO - DeMelo
Slamberg - Risto
Seeler - Miller
Fleury/Coghlan
That might not be too bad a playoff group. Flyers would have to be willing to pay Pionk $7+M on his new deal, though he would immediately be their top scoring dman and potentially pair with Sanheim on their top pair, and they would have to covet Stanley's size as much as the Jets seem to.
Next year, Salomonsson replaces Miller in the starting lineup and starts his climb up the lineup, moving DeMelo and Risto down eventually.
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I'm interested in Colton Sissons up front, because I think the Jets want to improve their PK for the playoffs. The guy would fit the bill. He's on a bit of heater, 10 points in his last last 13 games, and some of that is PP time, and that's a guy I could see replacing Iafallo on the 2nd PP as right handed shot, giving a different look.
I'd run
Big guns top line
Ehlers-Lowry-Iafallo
Nino-Sissons-Apples
as middle six, Iafallo and Nino being interchangeable, both lines could take heavy d-zone draws.
Barron-Namestnikov-Perfetti as 4th line, More offensive zone, and again Barron can shift with Nino if you want more offense from that line.
I don't think any of those line would be easy to score against, other than top one. Who might outscore everyone too, if they get hot.
Kupari and Gustafsson as the depth forwards.
On defense I've seen Mario Ferraro's name thrown around, and that's one I'd be interested in, because I think that fills out the big physical d-man that the Jets may be looking for in the absence of Dillon.
Can start him on a 3rd pair with Miller or Stanley, who I think playing on his offside is an experiment. Fits the PK mold. But his top 4 pedigree gives the coaching staff another option if Samberg has the yips in the playoffs.
I do think you saw Colorado add Walker last year for the playoff run, and he gave Colorado 3 dangerous d pairings and that may be something the Jets look to emulate.
Both guys have another year of term left, so the Jets can run them again next year.
I'd run
Big guns top line
Ehlers-Lowry-Iafallo
Nino-Sissons-Apples
as middle six, Iafallo and Nino being interchangeable, both lines could take heavy d-zone draws.
Barron-Namestnikov-Perfetti as 4th line, More offensive zone, and again Barron can shift with Nino if you want more offense from that line.
I don't think any of those line would be easy to score against, other than top one. Who might outscore everyone too, if they get hot.
Kupari and Gustafsson as the depth forwards.
On defense I've seen Mario Ferraro's name thrown around, and that's one I'd be interested in, because I think that fills out the big physical d-man that the Jets may be looking for in the absence of Dillon.
Can start him on a 3rd pair with Miller or Stanley, who I think playing on his offside is an experiment. Fits the PK mold. But his top 4 pedigree gives the coaching staff another option if Samberg has the yips in the playoffs.
I do think you saw Colorado add Walker last year for the playoff run, and he gave Colorado 3 dangerous d pairings and that may be something the Jets look to emulate.
Both guys have another year of term left, so the Jets can run them again next year.
Buffdog
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OK, hear me out....
Trent Frederic
Big guy, plays centre, scores at the same clip as Adam Lowry. Can and will fight (takes the scraps off the captain's plate).
I think he'd compliment Ehlers and Perfetti well if Arniel wants to go back to running Nino Lowry Apples. If Arniel choses to keep Ehlers and Lowry together, he can slot in with Nino and Perfetti
Obviously there's have to be some amends made over the Gus KO but I think a guy like that is built for the playoffs and brings some size and grit to the line up that we need badly
Trent Frederic
Big guy, plays centre, scores at the same clip as Adam Lowry. Can and will fight (takes the scraps off the captain's plate).
I think he'd compliment Ehlers and Perfetti well if Arniel wants to go back to running Nino Lowry Apples. If Arniel choses to keep Ehlers and Lowry together, he can slot in with Nino and Perfetti
Obviously there's have to be some amends made over the Gus KO but I think a guy like that is built for the playoffs and brings some size and grit to the line up that we need badly
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They'll pull the plug when the big 3 say it's time. They've earned that right. I'd say this deadline is when they start moving anything not nailed down, and only the 3 if they say they would. I doubt Crosby or Malkin say yes to a move.
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Scores at half the rate of lowry, worse at faceoffs than names, slow and crappy adv stats... hmm.
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Buffdog
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Is he arguing with me? I can't see his posts (he's all alone on my ignore list)Buff and Wolf need their own thread.
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Yes, and I think he's right on this one. No way I want a dirty rat like Frederic on our team. Geekie yes. But a guy who suckered punched or cheap shotted one of our guys, how do you welcome a guy like that into the dressing room? Be the same with Luke Kunin, who elbowed Little in the head in preseason. Win honestly with your Captain as a respected leader, and a guy that rats won't fight.
Buffdog
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It would depend on how it was handled. If he shows genuine remorse, then I suspect that as pros, everyone can move forward
I understand the sentiment though
People were likely saying the same thing about Schief after he obliterated Evans, but we have no problem cheering for him on our team
BobTheSolarsystem
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I'd frame it more as correcting Buff's misinformation...
we might as well install Barron as our 2C if we are opting for Frederic - they're very similar in terms of skill level and play
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