Speculation: 2024/25 Trade Rumours, Speculation etc Thread

[voyageur]

Stanley is 4th in Hits/60 after Miller, DeMelo and Fleury, respectively. Coughlin is just behind Stanley, but that's a one game sample. Then it's Pionk, Samberg, Heinola and Morrissey.

There's really only one spot in the Jets lineup for Heinola and that's 3rd pair offensive D...and that's not even a regular spot - the Jets would prefer two defensive defensemen on the 3rd pair most nights (with one of them being a penalty killer).

I don't think Heinola will ever get a run of games to grow into a regular NHLer (unless Pionk or Morrissey gets injured for 10+ games...and even then, are they going to throw Heinola into the lineup and hope for the best, or just double down on more stay-at-home defensemen).

They really might as well just waive him since any value he once had has evaporated and he's got no chance of getting a fair shake here.

That's an overreaction.

He'll get some games in. He's signed for 2 years. There's absolutely nothing wrong with rotating d-men. Or having depth. It's actually refreshing to see a coach change a lineup instead of carrying that superstition about winning lineups.

If Arniel plays him against Colorado on the road I think that's a pretty good endorsement.

 

[Gm0ney]

That's an overreaction.

He'll get some games in. He's signed for 2 years. There's absolutely nothing wrong with rotating d-men. Or having depth. It's actually refreshing to see a coach change a lineup instead of carrying that superstition about winning lineups.

If Arniel plays him against Colorado on the road I think that's a pretty good endorsement.

Heinola's record consecutive NHL game run is 8.

We're all saying that he looks like he's starting to put it together, and he's probably going to get scratched again tomorrow? There's just no room on the Jets for him the way they're structured.

 

[DRW204]

That's an overreaction.

He'll get some games in. He's signed for 2 years. There's absolutely nothing wrong with rotating d-men. Or having depth. It's actually refreshing to see a coach change a lineup instead of carrying that superstition about winning lineups.

If Arniel plays him against Colorado on the road I think that's a pretty good endorsement.

They changed bc of injury.

 

[DRW204]

Heinola's record consecutive NHL game run is 8.

We're all saying that he looks like he's starting to put it together, and he's probably going to get scratched again tomorrow? There's just no room on the Jets for him the way they're structured.

0 pts, team worst defensively in his gp.

"starting to put it together"

 

[voyageur]

Heinola's record consecutive NHL game run is 8.

We're all saying that he looks like he's starting to put it together, and he's probably going to get scratched again tomorrow? There's just no room on the Jets for him the way they're structured.

Is a game in the press box now going to ruin his confidence, or are the positive results so far going to grow it? Stanley was getting in to this game, it was pretty much announced when it was said he would miss 2 games, not multiple, just 2. I think it's a good decision, I'm willing to bet there is a scrap in this game. Maybe Cousins, or Greig, or even Brady Tkachuk. Ottawa is gunning for a playoff spot, not comfortably in one, so expect some intensity.

Like I said, want to see what Arniel thinks of him....if he gets a road matchup against a high flying dangerous team like the Avs, I think that's a positive step in his development. It's not a straight arc for these kids. And the whole play game after game, well he's not a top 4 d-man so maybe you choose the spots if you are the coach. Any young player who has persevered to get this far shouldn't take being sat a game as some drastic consideration on his ability. More it's learning how to contribute to the team to get more playing time.

I don't see anything that indicates the rational you've constructed. Other than he isn't playing against Ottawa. Game #37 on the calendar, with 45 more to play after that.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Shouldn't be that hard to grasp - they want his size in the line up and the team needs his size out there.
If you want to compare him to the other bubble guys, they are not that far apart - except on size, strength and a willingness to do some to the dirty work that needs to be done from time to time.
I wouldn't call it Stan hate - it's more about a fans player preference because there is no one in this group that stands out as the perfect solution to our D needs on the third pair - and it's obvious they are looking at the size / strength factor as being the most needed pce (all things considered).

A player (could be Stan, or someone else) rates last (among some number of possible players) in several aspects, but by a very small margin. That same player rates 1st in one aspect, but by a large margin. Do you go with him, or one of the others? Depends on how you weigh the importance of those various aspects.

What we have here is not as clear cut as that, but we do have Stan above the others in 1 thing. Clearly the coaching staff values that thing. They are not entirely wrong. I think they are putting too much weight on that thing. And maybe too little on some others. But that is just my opinion.

Maybe if we had more of that thing elsewhere in the lineup coaches wouldn't feel the need for Stan so much. Come on Chevy, get us a player (F or D) who can fill that role and who has more skill than LS.

 

[WolfHouse]

Shouldn't be that hard to grasp - they want his size in the line up and the team needs his size out there.
If you want to compare him to the other bubble guys, they are not that far apart - except on size, strength and a willingness to do some to the dirty work that needs to be done from time to time.
I wouldn't call it Stan hate - it's more about a fans player preference because there is no one in this group that stands out as the perfect solution to our D needs on the third pair - and it's obvious they are looking at the size / strength factor as being the most needed pce (all things considered).

We needed stan's size in the last two dominant wins...?

 

[Bender Duster]

We needed stan's size in the last two dominant wins...?

I guess someone has to fall on Kaprizov if we face the Wild in the playoffs…

0 pts, team worst defensively in his gp.

"starting to put it together"

In fairness…he was playing on his weak side paired with a boat anchor for most of those games.

Not really a prime showcase opportunity.

 

[Buffdog]

I guess someone has to fall on Kaprizov if we face the Wild in the playoffs…


In fairness…he was playing on his weak side paired with a boat anchor for most of those games.

Not really a prime showcase opportunity.

Typical. Shit on Stan despite him showing relatively well and make excuses for Heinola

 

[DRW204]

I guess someone has to fall on Kaprizov if we face the Wild in the playoffs…


In fairness…he was playing on his weak side paired with a boat anchor for most of those games.

Not really a prime showcase opportunity.

Not a huge difference between the with and without Stanley stats, according to natural stat trick. And stanley would be the worst partner he's paired with.

 

[Romang67]

0 pts, team worst defensively in his gp.

"starting to put it together"

Do you disagree that he looked considerably better against the Wild and Leafs than he did before? I thought it was quite obvious both on the ice and by the metrics.

Now, it doesn't really seem to matter. Arniel said earlier this season that he doesn't want to keep Stanley out of the lineup because they think he'll improve with more ice time. I don't know why people keep arguing that it's because they need the size, or his physicality, or his PKing. They keep explaining why they're doing it, and people keep trying to find explanations instead of just taking them at their word. They are playing Stanley because they think that what they're seeing in his draft+9 season isn't the player he will become.

 

[Adam da bomb]

Typical. Shit on Stan despite him showing relatively well and make excuses for Heinola

It really doesn’t matter what’s said on here Stan is just going to play, ppl just going to complain.

 

[bustamente]

Coach wants Stanley in the lineup, people can bitch about him but that's not going to change anything

 

[Gm0ney]

0 pts, team worst defensively in his gp.

"starting to put it together"

Oh, do you not watch the games? You just check box scores and analytics?

I'd say he's been looking more comfortable on his natural side. He's going to need some more reps.

A handful of games here and there, coming off an injury, mostly on his off side, and at the tail end of a long road trip isn't really going to give you an accurate picture.

But like I said, the Jets don't really have room for him. They've built the team a certain way and the lesson they learned from last year's playoffs is - apparently - we need more Stanley and less skill. Put him on waivers. Someone might pick him up and he can have a fair shake.

 

[Flair Hay]

Coach wants Stanley in the lineup, people can bitch about him but that's not going to change anything

It is a message board of hardcore fans, don't expect it to quiet down much

 

[LowLefty]

We needed stan's size in the last two dominant wins...?

No they didn't - but neither were very physical
I doubt very much that the org is looking at these two games and drawing the conclusion you did.
Minnie looked like they were exhausted - and the Leafs never put up much of a physical game.
Ville played well in both BTW - but the org wanting size in the lineup (blueline) is not something they determined based on a couple of games at any given time.

 

[LowLefty]

Typical. Shit on Stan despite him showing relatively well and make excuses for Heinola

That the way it works apparently with "hardcore" fans -

 

[LowLefty]

Do you disagree that he looked considerably better against the Wild and Leafs than he did before? I thought it was quite obvious both on the ice and by the metrics.

Now, it doesn't really seem to matter. Arniel said earlier this season that he doesn't want to keep Stanley out of the lineup because they think he'll improve with more ice time. I don't know why people keep arguing that it's because they need the size, or his physicality, or his PKing. They keep explaining why they're doing it, and people keep trying to find explanations instead of just taking them at their word. They are playing Stanley because they think that what they're seeing in his draft+9 season isn't the player he will become.

I'd disagree with this -
Arniel isn't going to step out and state to you or me that he wants Stan in the lineup for his size - he's smart enough to realize that won't exactly motivate a player to get better.
Arniel gets the size component with Stan without bringing it up - but he might want to actually see him improve as well.

 

[LowLefty]

In fairness…he was playing on his weak side paired with a boat anchor for most of those games.

Stan had the same complaint - why do I have a defensive boat anchor playing on his weak side, as my d partner.

 

[Romang67]

I'd disagree with this -
Arniel isn't going to step out and state to you or me that he wants Stan in the lineup for his size - he's smart enough to realize that won't exactly motivate a player to get better.
Arniel gets the size component with Stan without bringing it up - but he might want to actually see him improve as well.

Why not? If the reason he's in the lineup is that he's big and physical, why wouldn't he want Stanley to know that?

People are acting as if this is some big mystery and you have to read through the clues to figure it out. I don't understand why. They keep telling you why Stanley is in the lineup.

 

[bustamente]

It is a message board of hardcore fans, don't expect it to quiet down much

Sure I get it but it the same comments on repeat, for the most part he is no worse or better than most teams 6 d man. Coaches like what he brings to the team even if most fans don't.

 

[LowLefty]

Why not? If the reason he's in the lineup is that he's big and physical, why wouldn't he want Stanley to know that?

People are acting as if this is some big mystery and you have to read through the clues to figure it out. I don't understand why. They keep telling you why Stanley is in the lineup.

Do you think that Arniel and Stan communicate via the media?
I've already gave you my opinion on why Arniel says what he says - there is nothing to gain by telling Stan and the world that he is in the lineup based on his size. Wouldn't it be a better motivator to tell the guy he wants to see him improve?
I'm repeating myself and you don't buy the logic so maybe we leave it at that.

 

[LowLefty]

Sure I get it but it the same comments on repeat, for the most part he is no worse or better than most teams 6 d man. Coaches like what he brings to the team even if most fans don't.

They are repeated to the point that they are no longer comments - more like rants.
When it comes down to calling a player a pylon, boat anchor, etc, it's gone beyond "commenting"
Like it or not, he's a Jet and you'd think the hard core would at least support him once they've figured out that calling him names will not remove him from the lineup.

 

[Jets]

The big disconnect between the fans and the team is pretty simple. If the need for Stanley in the lineup is because he's big and adds toughness that Fleury/Heinola/whoever don't have, then they already had that in a proven NHLer that they let walk - Brendan Dillon.

Stanley is not a proven NHLer, despite the fact that we play him like one, and has not shown the ability to improve or become one after 7+ seasons.

It would be one thing if they said, we need a big body PK D man in the lineup at all times, and made an effort to keep Dillon or bring one in that can actually play consistently at an NHL level. Its quite another when they trot Stanley out over better players or players with more upside game after game and then tell fans that he's playing because he's improving.

No he isn't. He sucks, quit trying to pull the wool over our eyes and quit handicapping the team by playing him.

 

[Romang67]

Do you think that Arniel and Stan communicate via the media?
I've already gave you my opinion on why Arniel says what he says - there is nothing to gain by telling Stan and the world that he is in the lineup based on his size. Wouldn't it be a better motivator to tell the guy he wants to see him improve?
I'm repeating myself and you don't buy the logic so maybe we leave it at that.

If they don't communicate via the media, then what's the harm in telling the media that Stanley is playing because he's big?

Not sure I'm following that logic, no.