Speculation: 2024/25 Trade Rumours, Speculation etc Thread

[jungles]

Chevy looking at his roster, probably:



...could also be sung directly to Stanley.

 

[Royale With Cheese]

we really need a center to fix that 2nd line

I feel like I may have heard this before.

Oh yes, annually, since 2015.

 

[gojetsgo]

wonder if granlund could be an option

 

[Cypruss]

We have Gluten Free in Manitoba too.

My wife is Celiac - and I can assure you - our GF options are pretty shitty out there in our province....

 

[gojetsgo]

 

[Wpgpage]

I think you guys are way to high on Salo he absolutely has the potential to be a top pair guy sure but he's 20 in his first year in North America. His best case scenario is probably to become as good as Weager. If he exceeds that well that's awesome but I certainly wouldn't be counting on that.

 

[Adam da bomb]

I think you guys are way to high on Salo he absolutely has the potential to be a top pair guy sure but he's 20 in his first year in North America. His best case scenario is probably to become as good as Weager. If he exceeds that well that's awesome but I certainly wouldn't be counting on that.

but, even if he just reaches that, having him under team control, while Weegar ages out of his prime is still worth something.

 

[Huffer]

I think you guys are way to high on Salo he absolutely has the potential to be a top pair guy sure but he's 20 in his first year in North America. His best case scenario is probably to become as good as Weager. If he exceeds that well that's awesome but I certainly wouldn't be counting on that.

Not disagreeing with the sentiment, but in the context of a really hypothetical situation where Weegar was available (the Flames likely need Anderson re-signed or decide to tear it down), IMO from the Jets point of view the idea would be to replace Pionks salary with Weegars (not likely looking at extending Pionk if we add Weegar), and having Salo on an ELC along with Miller on a cheap deal is a big key to making it happen.

The Athletic did their little back and forth on hypnotical trades, and I believe Murat threw out Weegar as a good fit for the Jets, and the other person had to come up with the return and it was Lambert. In that case, at least the Jets have Lucius and Yager coming up to offset the loss in that position (unlike Salo).

 

[Jets]

Phew Coghlan cleared.

One less victim of the Stanley parable.

 

[Crocket]

This is what I don't get. They are the best team in the league. Stanley has played in 21 of 33 games. Jets are 15-5-1 with him in the lineup. You can say that is because of all the other players, Helly, Morrissey, Scheifele, etc, and it's true. But if Stanley had such an overwhelming defecit, the Jets wouldn't be so good with him in the lineup.

One way to negate some of his defecits is by having Adam Lowry out there with him, who is a positive impact player. Negates defensive zone breakdowns.

I think the jacket he got against Boston was an example of how his teammates feel about him, and that's big, knowing you have somebody out there who has your back, and if you take him off the ice it isn't going to affect the performance of the team in any significant way.

I honestly think the dressing room likes the guy, which is what a team is made of. While you can make a team succesful out of converging personalities like Wheeler/Laine, Buff/Trouba, this team is different. I think from the outside they are still largely seen as fragile, soft, in the post Buff era. Probably softer post Dillon.

I am probably, like you, hoping for Stan not to be a starter in the playoffs, but for now at the least, any defecits he has seem to be mitigated by other players contributing.

The Jets have been a sub 500 team in the last 14 or 15. Our winning % is high for now, but it's not lately. We have a good team, by no means would I say the best in the league, but we'll know in about 48 more games.
6th D pair guy isn't the difference maker but let's see how we do when Ehlers and Samberg are back, that makes our 3rd pair stronger with Fleury.

I'm not panicking, but we haven't looked great in the last while.

I'm not really advocating keeping Dillon. I was not unhappy seeing him go. I think it was creating a spot for Heinola. That hasn't happened, for whatever reasons.

creating a sport for Samberg, who was a 3rd pair. Let's see how Samberg does for the rest of the season

 

[Buffdog]

Phew Coghlan cleared.

One less victim of the Stanley parable.

I was thinking the exact same thing lol, but for different reasons

We don't need anyone posting 1000 times about how we lost him while keeping Stan

 

[TS Quint]

I'm not really advocating keeping Dillon. I was not unhappy seeing him go. I think it was creating a spot for Heinola. That hasn't happened, for whatever reasons.

Probably because Villie is the 6th best 6ft, sub 200lbs defenseman under contract and what he is good at isn’t a need for the team. If the team was in need of a PP specialist he would be playing.

It’s obvious with Fleury stepping into the 2nd pair when Samberg went down the reason he was scratched earlier in the season isn’t because the Jets think either Stanley or Villie are better than him. They are playing to develop the potential. Right now the need is size and defense. Villie is getting ripped to shreds 5 on 5.

Its funny how this board talks so much about giving guys a chance and then when they do give guys a chance it’s becomes “well not that guy”.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

I think you are right about the value of Salo and agree he wouldn't be going anywhere

That said, the way I am looking at it isn't Weegar replacing Salo, it's Weegar replacing Pionk.

Weegar is just as good offensively as Pionk but is much better in transition and his own end. And for the same cap hit.

In this pipe dream we are bringing Weegar in, we would be bringing in a guy who is probably a $7M value dman getting paid $6M. That would be replacing a $3M value dman getting paid $6M. That ~$4M of on ice value is pretty significant when evaluating the value we would be willing to part with I think.

Yes. The intention of getting a top 4 RHD is to add to Salo so that we finally have 2 actual top 4 RHD.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

creating a sport for Samberg, who was a 3rd pair. Let's see how Samberg does for the rest of the season

It allowed Samberg to move up a spot. That could have happened with Dillon retained. Dillon leaving opened up a spot, presumably for Heinola. But that spot is being given to Stanley, presumably to replace the physicality we lost when Dillon left. So we have upgraded 2LD and downgraded 3LD.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Probably because Villie is the 6th best 6ft, sub 200lbs defenseman under contract and what he is good at isn’t a need for the team. If the team was in need of a PP specialist he would be playing.

It’s obvious with Fleury stepping into the 2nd pair when Samberg went down the reason he was scratched earlier in the season isn’t because the Jets think either Stanley or Villie are better than him. They are playing to develop the potential. Right now the need is size and defense. Villie is getting ripped to shreds 5 on 5.

Its funny how this board talks so much about giving guys a chance and then when they do give guys a chance it’s becomes “well not that guy”.

I don't know whether Ville would be succeeding or not. He is being played on his off side anchored to Stanley. Not exactly setting him up to succeed.

Stan is big but doesn't play a physical game very well. I give him credit for trying. But we don't need height, we don't need weight, we don't need a fighter. I agree we don't need a PP specialist either. We need a player who is effective. We aren't going to know if Ville can be effective or not if we keep misusing him. We do know that Stan is not very effective.

 

[scarbrow]

Here's hoping this was all a rouse to showcase Stan and move him in a package for 2c. I'd take a flyer on Dylan Cousins at 23 years old. Kids always seemed to have a good attitude and TN values that

 

[KingBogo]

I think you guys are way to high on Salo he absolutely has the potential to be a top pair guy sure but he's 20 in his first year in North America. His best case scenario is probably to become as good as Weager. If he exceeds that well that's awesome but I certainly wouldn't be counting on that.

The Jets can't risk moving Salo. We haven't had a legit homegrown top 4 RHD since Trouba. Salo has the size and skill set to be a difference maker and the Jets need to let that play out. Maybe he doesn't get there, but if he does that is how contenders are built.

 

[Whileee]

I think you guys are way to high on Salo he absolutely has the potential to be a top pair guy sure but he's 20 in his first year in North America. His best case scenario is probably to become as good as Weager. If he exceeds that well that's awesome but I certainly wouldn't be counting on that.

It might be a longshot for Salomonsson to equal Weegar's level, but Weegar didn't really blossom until he was 25 years old, and cashed in for UFA years. Salomonsson has the potential to achieve Samberg type of impact on an ELC. That is a huge value, in addition to the long runway he has.

I'd love for the Jets to acquire Weegar but I'd be happier if they moved a player from a position of strength, particularly winger.

 

[KingBogo]

Here's hoping this was all a rouse to showcase Stan and move him in a package for 2c. I'd take a flyer on Dylan Cousins at 23 years old. Kids always seemed to have a good attitude and TN values that

About a week ago I was pushing the idea of trying to acquire Cozens as I think he still can be that potential #1 center he was drafted to be. It is easy to get pulled down by the disfunction in Buffalo. He has size, skill and speed which is the combination you need. Saying that he wouldn't come cheap and Buffalo would likely want young players in return. Maybe you look at including Perfetti in a deal? Not sure if that interests Buffalo.

 

[bustamente]

If your looking at Cozens you probably have to start with Lambert and add from there. As for Weegar he is exactly the D man you are looking for to team up with Joshua and give some backbone to the D

 

[Gm0ney]

Probably because Villie is the 6th best 6ft, sub 200lbs defenseman under contract and what he is good at isn’t a need for the team. If the team was in need of a PP specialist he would be playing.

It’s obvious with Fleury stepping into the 2nd pair when Samberg went down the reason he was scratched earlier in the season isn’t because the Jets think either Stanley or Villie are better than him. They are playing to develop the potential. Right now the need is size and defense. Villie is getting ripped to shreds 5 on 5.

Its funny how this board talks so much about giving guys a chance and then when they do give guys a chance it’s becomes “well not that guy”.

I think there's something to be said about Stanley's "kid-glove" treatment vs. Heinola's "sink-or-swim-you-tiny-f**king-Finn" theory of player development.

From the beginning, Stanley's had long runs of consecutive games, playing with reliable partners (DeMelo, Samberg) on his natural side. OTOH, Heinola's had very short runs and been jerked in and out of the lineup and has often been paired with less-than-steady partners and frequently on his off side.

Stanley's had consecutive runs of 13, 24, 30, and 15 games before a couple of years mostly pressboxing, because the Jets were afraid of losing him on waivers and him turning into a top 4 defenseman somewhere else (oops) when they'd already thrown so much good money after bad with him. This year he's once again never been asked to play his off side and, aside from a handful of early games has played in every game he's been able. In those 161 games, I don't think he's never shown even a hint of being able to be anything more than a 3rd pairing LD.

Heinola's longest run of consecutive games in his NHL career is...8. His most common partner was Lord of Chaos Neal Pionk. Then he didn't play any NHL games for 2 seasons. He's had another 8 games so far this season, the longest consecutive run so far being 3 games. Maybe they're still load managing that injury, but still...

 

[KingBogo]

If your looking at Cozens you probably have to start with Lambert and add from there. As for Weegar he is exactly the D man you are looking for to team up with Joshua and give some backbone to the D

It will be interesting to see what the cost is, but it looks like the Sabres are yet again going to bail on a top 10 pick on their never ending rebuild.

 

[bustamente]

It will be interesting to see what the cost is, but it looks like the Sabres are yet again going to bail on a top 10 pick on their never ending rebuild.

What a mess props to the fans that continue to show up and support that dumpster fire of an organization.

 

[KingBogo]

What a mess props to the fans that continue to show up and support that dumpster fire of an organization.

It is part of the reason I think Cozens is salvageable and could be the answer to our #2 center position. The cost is a good question. I have a hard time coming up with what might be a good/fair offer from the Jets.

 

[bustamente]

It is part of the reason I think Cozens is salvageable and could be the answer to our #2 center position. The cost is a good question. I have a hard time coming up with what might be a good/fair offer from the Jets.

If it's an overpay I'm okay with that, this team needs a 2C badly especially for the playoffs. The 2nd line needs to be as dangerous as the first.