Speculation: 2024/25 Trade Rumours, Speculation etc Thread

[Wpgpage]

At what cost though? It probably will take a core player OR a couple top prospects.

I think you are probably talking Perfetti plus a first. If NYI was willing to do that deal and of course he was willing to come here then I would do that deal in a heartbeat but I think it's unlikely they move him. Not as long as Lou is around.

 

[DRW204]

sergachev, who is younger and probably higher nhl tier/value went for:

C. Geekie (2022 11th overall)+JJ Moser+4th+2025 2nd.

imo, for pulock, perfetti+1st is a bit much in my view.

 

[Wpgpage]

sergachev, who is younger and probably higher nhl tier/value went for:

C. Geekie (2022 11th overall)+JJ Moser+4th+2025 2nd.

imo, for pulock, perfetti+1st is a bit much in my view.

I think you're under valuing Moser, young RFA mid pairing D. He and Perfetti are relatively equal in value.

 

[DRW204]

I think you're under valuing Moser, young RFA mid pairing D. He and Perfetti are relatively equal in value.

he has some offensive juice, but i think players like him are usually in abundance. our 1st likely is mid-to-late 20s, & I think Perfetti had higher value than every one of those 4 pieces too.

i think the tier difference b/w sergachev and pulock is quite a bit though. not saying i would not mind pulock, i think perfetti+1st is just to much. maybe there's a comparable historical trade that's close that may have me thinking otherwise.

 

[Huffer]

sergachev, who is younger and probably higher nhl tier/value went for:

C. Geekie (2022 11th overall)+JJ Moser+4th+2025 2nd.

imo, for pulock, perfetti+1st is a bit much in my view.

I wouldn't mind Pulock as well to improve the right side (and have mentioned him before, as well as I beleive his recent NY wife), but IMO you are absolutely correct. Perfetti and a 1st is an overpay.

I wouldn't move Perfetti alone for Pulock and I doubt the Jets do either.

 

[DRW204]

I wouldn't mind Pulock as well to improve the right side (and have mentioned him before, as well as I beleive his recent NY wife), but IMO you are absolutely correct. Perfetti and a 1st is an overpay.

I wouldn't move Perfetti alone for Pulock and I doubt the Jets do either.

i don't think i've read a player rumored to be available - other than Brady Tkachuk - that i think the Jets would need to include Perfetti to acquire.

 

[gojetsgo]

 

[roccerfeller]

Wish we got to see more Coghlan but it is what it is

 

[voyageur]

Wish we got to see more Coghlan but it is what it is

He can at least run a PP at the AHL level, which watching highlights Dawson Barteaux seems to be struggling with. Definitely a better defenseman than Bauer, who has made it through 1/3 of the season.

If he gets claimed, I think the next callup on defense is either Salomonsson or Lundmark, guys who have some PKing ability.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Here's my dman target list - all of which I think could be 'available'
1. Matheson
2. Walman
3. Valimaki

We have:
JMo
Samberg
Fleury/Heinola/Stanley
on the left side. The need is on the right, which is none of those guys.
Jets get any of those and Stanley plays 3RD, where he is even worse. Arniel has made it plain that Stanley plays - no matter what. Or maybe the lefty that you get plays the right side. Not a real solution either.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Murat's proposed trade in the Athletic is Lambert for Weegar. Jets really do need another bona fide top 4 D or I think they face another round 1 exit.

I'd go for that in a heartbeat - but Weegar has a full NTC.

 

[voyageur]

We have:
JMo
Samberg
Fleury/Heinola/Stanley
on the left side. The need is on the right, which is none of those guys.
Jets get any of those and Stanley plays 3RD, where he is even worse. Arniel has made it plain that Stanley plays - no matter what. Or maybe the lefty that you get plays the right side. Not a real solution either.

I wonder if the Coghlan move changes the Jets depth chart, where it is something like:

Morrissey-De Melo
Samberg-Pionk
Stanley-Miller
Fleury-Salomonsson
Heinola-Lundmark
Coghlan

Stanley is going to play a lot in the regular season, that seems certain. Without a secondary scrapper on the team that's his role and teammates appreciate his efforts.

Lundmark showed in preseason that he could play his offside, which would be the kind of PKing role that would allow Heinola to play his strong side, going forward.

 

[abax44]

Myself I would look at the depth chart like this

Connor-Scheif-Vilardi (hot and cold)

Nino-Lowry-Ehlers...Appleton to me is the only player that doesnt make that a true 2nd line. And I'll add that Lowry going forward into his next contract will likely look to be a more prominent player, no matter where he plays, because he's battling with the best and winning a lot of battles night in night out. And a lot teams need that kind of player. And we have him as our captain.

Perfetti-Namestnikov-Chibrikov (IMO Cole looks best when he plays with another finisher, and Chibrikov is all finish, Ehlers and Lambert are more dash)

Iafallo-Kupari-Appleton, the kind of line you trust in a defensive zone draw to get the puck out of the zone, Kupari is maybe the weakest on the boards of the 3, and that's where I see room for improvement. Maybe that improvement is Namestnikov and Chibrikov and it balances out.

If Ehlers isn't pigeon holed he has the potential to move up on that top line when it needs a spark, and maybe Vilardi moves around, and Chibrikov too.

Barron-Gustafsson-Lambert would be my replacement level line. Cozens beat Lambert in a neutral zone race so I think he can move pretty well. Lambert won't get a lot of rope at C in a veteran league on a playoff hungry team, but I could see him being effective in the same spot Appleton is in now. Game is easier to play when you have workhorses on the boards.

I do think C is the number one position of depth needs for the Jets until the Yager bomb arrives. But if the Jets want to reward Lowry for all the hard work, I'm not sure another $7 million center makes it easy to manage the roster going forward. Although replacing Ehlers with younger wingers seems more possible than it did last year.

Mc Leod is an excellent penalty killer, he showed that in the playoffs last year, I like that option a bit more at a better price.

You sure typed a lot to not say very much.

 

[Whileee]

I wonder if the Coghlan move changes the Jets depth chart, where it is something like:

Morrissey-De Melo
Samberg-Pionk
Stanley-Miller
Fleury-Salomonsson
Heinola-Lundmark
Coghlan

Stanley is going to play a lot in the regular season, that seems certain. Without a secondary scrapper on the team that's his role and teammates appreciate his efforts.

Lundmark showed in preseason that he could play his offside, which would be the kind of PKing role that would allow Heinola to play his strong side, going forward.

Stanley has a fight every 11 games, on average. Not exactly a high impact activity.

He also takes about twice as many minor penalties as any other regular player on the Jets. That is a big negative.

It seems like a really bad idea to keep a regular D who often puts the Jets on the PK instead of just getting a 4th line winger to do the job (a la Peluso). Or, how about not worrying about having a designated fighter in the line-up since it never really has any impact on team performance or outcomes.

 

[abax44]

hard to take that too seriously, they are in love with hutson, any mistake he makes will immediately get blamed on who ever he is partnered with, not saying we should go after matheson just we shouldn't go by how habs fans view him

So like reverse Stanley. Doesn't matter who makes the mistake. Is Stan was on the ice = his fault.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

I wonder if the Coghlan move changes the Jets depth chart, where it is something like:

Morrissey-De Melo
Samberg-Pionk
Stanley-Miller
Fleury-Salomonsson
Heinola-Lundmark
Coghlan

Stanley is going to play a lot in the regular season, that seems certain. Without a secondary scrapper on the team that's his role and teammates appreciate his efforts.

Lundmark showed in preseason that he could play his offside, which would be the kind of PKing role that would allow Heinola to play his strong side, going forward.

That's 9 Dmen on the NHL roster. At least 1 needs to be waived. Right now that would be Coghlan. OK, I see he was waived today, so down to 8. Hope he clears. Neither Heinola nor Fleury clear.

I expect that is about Ehlers returning and keeping Chibrikov, at least for a while.

 

[voyageur]

Stanley has a fight every 11 games, on average. Not exactly a high impact activity.

He also takes about twice as many minor penalties as any other regular player on the Jets. That is a big negative.

It seems like a really bad idea to keep a regular D who often puts the Jets on the PK instead of just getting a 4th line winger to do the job (a la Peluso). Or, how about not worrying about having a designated fighter in the line-up since it never really has any impact on team performance or outcomes.

I would agree with you there, except I think there is a role for the 4th line here. Defensive zone players, special teamers who can move the puck to the offensive zone, keep the pace up. Put a guy like Ryan Reaves out there who is a step behind and you don't have as effective of a 4th line anymore, probably take more penalties, and lose a PKer.

Stanley has been better in the penalty department of late, but it seems like he is less aggressive sometimes as a result.

For me it comes down to if you can get 45 minutes out of Morrissey and Samberg on the left side, and now Fleury as his replacement, and some of the time on ice is PP time, which is only one d-man, you really only need Stanley to be effective for 12 minutes a game, and have some physical presence out there, to respond to players who may want to take liberties. I think you lose more if you take that role out of the forwards. Maybe it's just holding water with Stan out there, but you can make it work until the deadline, when you can look for an upgrade. I mean 33 games in the formula seems to be working?

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Great synopsis. I like adding a D to get Stanley off the ice but want to keep the rest of the group together. Chibrikov has become a strong depth piece now, or is close to it.

Problem is, how do we get Stanley off the ice? We have better options now but he is still there.

 

[Whileee]

I would agree with you there, except I think there is a role for the 4th line here. Defensive zone players, special teamers who can move the puck to the offensive zone, keep the pace up. Put a guy like Ryan Reaves out there who is a step behind and you don't have as effective of a 4th line anymore, probably take more penalties, and lose a PKer.

Stanley has been better in the penalty department of late, but it seems like he is less aggressive sometimes as a result.

For me it comes down to if you can get 45 minutes out of Morrissey and Samberg on the left side, and now Fleury as his replacement, and some of the time on ice is PP time, which is only one d-man, you really only need Stanley to be effective for 12 minutes a game, and have some physical presence out there, to respond to players who may want to take liberties. I think you lose more if you take that role out of the forwards. Maybe it's just holding water with Stan out there, but you can make it work until the deadline, when you can look for an upgrade. I mean 33 games in the formula seems to be working?

The problem is that Stanley can cause a lot of problems in 12 minutes of play. An unnecessary penalty. Missing a D assignment. Those things cost goals, and ultimately cost games on occasion. Conversely, what does his penchant for fighting actually contribute? I know teammates and some fans like it, but ultimately it's about winning the game. The Jets aren't good enough to have to make up for Stanley's deficits.

Problem is, how do we get Stanley off the ice? We have better options now but he is still there.

Arniel has made it crystal clear that he'll keep forcing Stanley into the line-up until Chevy prevents it by either moving Stanley or replacing him with another big, physical D.

It's on Chevy now...

 

[Slimy Sculpin]

Stanley has a fight every 11 games, on average. Not exactly a high impact activity.

He also takes about twice as many minor penalties as any other regular player on the Jets. That is a big negative.

It seems like a really bad idea to keep a regular D who often puts the Jets on the PK instead of just getting a 4th line winger to do the job (a la Peluso). Or, how about not worrying about having a designated fighter in the line-up since it never really has any impact on team performance or outcomes.

Amen to that!
And when he is on the PK, he is so slow that, IMO, he's not very effective as his size doesn’t overcome his lack of foot speed. He hardly ever wins battles in the corners and his first pass is usually a panic pass that is erratic at best.
If fans can see these major shortcomings, what the heck do the coaches see when they review the game video?
Glad you're back a little more often. Really appreciate your points of view.

 

[Joe Hallenback]

Problem is, how do we get Stanley off the ice? We have better options now but he is still there.

Once Samberg is back Stanley is off the ice. Its clear that Fleury has moved over him. It wouldn't shock me to see Stanley and/or Heinola shipped off at the deadline

 

[jamiebez]

We have:
JMo
Samberg
Fleury/Heinola/Stanley
on the left side. The need is on the right, which is none of those guys.
Jets get any of those and Stanley plays 3RD, where he is even worse. Arniel has made it plain that Stanley plays - no matter what. Or maybe the lefty that you get plays the right side. Not a real solution either.

I actually see 3LD as the position they're most likely to try and address this year. It feels to me like re-signing Pionk is a given. Not interested in debating the merits of that, but it feels like the organization is going to re-sign him. Salomonsson is waiting in the wings, and Miller is "good enough" for a 3RD for now. So RD is set.

Stanley or Heinola would have to go the other way in a deal. Ideally you target a puck-mover, but if Stanley goes out in trade, they're probably going to try and replace his toughness. Not going after an all-star here, just a steady all-around guy who is as physical as Stanley, but is better at... well, everything else . Think Brendan Dillon 2.0

JMo - Demelo
Samberg - Pionk
"new Dillon" - Miller
Fleury & one of Stanley/Heinola as the extras (whoever doesn't get traded)

 

[voyageur]

The problem is that Stanley can cause a lot of problems in 12 minutes of play. An unnecessary penalty. Missing a D assignment. Those things cost goals, and ultimately cost games on occasion. Conversely, what does his penchant for fighting actually contribute? I know teammates and some fans like it, but ultimately it's about winning the game. The Jets aren't good enough to have to make up for Stanley's deficits.

This is what I don't get. They are the best team in the league. Stanley has played in 21 of 33 games. Jets are 15-5-1 with him in the lineup. You can say that is because of all the other players, Helly, Morrissey, Scheifele, etc, and it's true. But if Stanley had such an overwhelming defecit, the Jets wouldn't be so good with him in the lineup.

One way to negate some of his defecits is by having Adam Lowry out there with him, who is a positive impact player. Negates defensive zone breakdowns.

I think the jacket he got against Boston was an example of how his teammates feel about him, and that's big, knowing you have somebody out there who has your back, and if you take him off the ice it isn't going to affect the performance of the team in any significant way.

I honestly think the dressing room likes the guy, which is what a team is made of. While you can make a team succesful out of converging personalities like Wheeler/Laine, Buff/Trouba, this team is different. I think from the outside they are still largely seen as fragile, soft, in the post Buff era. Probably softer post Dillon.

I am probably, like you, hoping for Stan not to be a starter in the playoffs, but for now at the least, any defecits he has seem to be mitigated by other players contributing.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

He has 6 more goals than Nik in the playoffs. And 10 more than Barron. That alone would have some value. I think if you are trading for depth RW is a postion that doesn't have a lot of depth beyond Appleton. Especially in the RHS department.

His PO performance was a long time ago. He was a different player then.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

I'd go after Pulock from the Islanders.
Signed for another 3 seasons at 6.1 million.
Pair him up with JoMo and let them play 25 min a night.
Big, experienced, MB boy.

He has trade protection and a NY area GF. Great if he would waive but I doubt he would do that.

At what cost though? It probably will take a core player OR a couple top prospects.

I'd pay quite a bit - IF he would come here.