Speculation: 2024/25 Trade Rumours, Speculation etc Thread

[Malcsta]

Yeah I love DeMelo but with Pionk, Miller, JMo, and Snerg all playing super well its kinda hard to notice him out there. But I suppose his style of play is more low key

 

[Hunter368]

Personal hopes at this point:

1) We're able to re-sign Ehlers to something that works
2) Lambert and Chibrikov improve on good seasons last year and become playoff black aces (sorry Moose).
2b) Lambert himself plays well enough to be thought of as a C replacement if needed.
3) For TD additions, we don't trade away any 1sts or top prospects (Lambert, Salo, Yager, Chibs, and maybe Barlow). We go the depth route and add players like Nino, Names, for lesser costs.
4) If we HAVE to add a C for a high cost (Names and Lambert not options), I hope we start looking for players with some term.

I think this is happy path planning wise, but I think we need to start thinking worst case also while still making the playoffs. The old saying, hope for the best and plan for the worst.

I was against the whole Monahan trade last year before and after it happened, he was just a warm body and a waste of assets........which is exactly what I said he would be. Collecting meaningless points while on a terrible team playing meaningless games means so little compared to a meaningful role, points and games in the playoffs. Monahan is a nice guy, but a total waste in any top 6 role on any decent team (3C he would be fine, no issues with, even play him on the PP is fine). So glad we didn't sign him longer term, let him go to CBJ collect his meaningless points playing on another bad team in meaningless games on a tiny market USA team where there is zero pressure.

 

[voyageur]

Personal hopes at this point:

1) We're able to re-sign Ehlers to something that works
2) Lambert and Chibrikov improve on good seasons last year and become playoff black aces (sorry Moose).
2b) Lambert himself plays well enough to be thought of as a C replacement if needed.
3) For TD additions, we don't trade away any 1sts or top prospects (Lambert, Salo, Yager, Chibs, and maybe Barlow). We go the depth route and add players like Nino, Names, for lesser costs.
4) If we HAVE to add a C for a high cost (Names and Lambert not options), I hope we start looking for players with some term.

I'd really like to see Lambert on the same line as Ehlers and Namestnikov at some point before any decisions are made. That could be a pure speed line to balance out some heavier lines I'm not sure Ehlers-Perfetti is sustainable. I'd be ok with him adding scoring to the 4th line. Having Lambert and Perfetti on the 2bd PP would add more skill overall.

My own inclination is that the Jets need to draft d-men after going forward heavy. Team already has no 2nd, trading a 1st would leave the Jets with at best a 3rd round pick. Hard to shore up the defense that way. Consider that after this year JMo and De Melo are 3 years from UFA, which is the minimum a 1st round pick generally takes to develop. Uncertainty with Pionk, though I think he signs...Stanley likely gone after another season, and Heinola is far from a certainty. Frej would be his replacement in terms of style of play it seems. Salomonsson might make the team next season, which could be Miller's last. He could supplant De Melo sooner than later, but I don't know if you'll ever get the offense out of him that Pionk produces.

A Heinola trade might be something to consider to recoup assets.

 

[DRW204]

Personal hopes at this point:

1) We're able to re-sign Ehlers to something that works
2) Lambert and Chibrikov improve on good seasons last year and become playoff black aces (sorry Moose).
2b) Lambert himself plays well enough to be thought of as a C replacement if needed.
3) For TD additions, we don't trade away any 1sts or top prospects (Lambert, Salo, Yager, Chibs, and maybe Barlow). We go the depth route and add players like Nino, Names, for lesser costs.
4) If we HAVE to add a C for a high cost (Names and Lambert not options), I hope we start looking for players with some term.

if you're anticipating ehlers being re-signed, KC i am going to guess get extended next summer. then you have Vilardi and Perfetti as 2 RFA Wingers who i don't think are going anywhere either. There's no room for top-6 Wingers. id dangle a fwd prospect+ for piece(s) now w/ term ofc.

 

[Huffer]

if you're anticipating ehlers being re-signed, KC i am going to guess get extended next summer. then you have Vilardi and Perfetti as 2 RFA Wingers who i don't think are going anywhere either. There's no room for top-6 Wingers. id dangle a fwd prospect+ for piece(s) now w/ term ofc.

We could run out of space for sure. I'm also not 100% against moving a forward prospect (although I would hate to move Lambert, Yager, or Chibs at this point) for another piece, but IMO that return would need to be young with term as well like you mention. And that's only if you don't think Lambert can get there to be a 2C.

But we could also be in a position in the future where we aren't able to get Ehlers to sign, and maybe we lose both Names and Iafallo, and Appleton is offered too much for us to match in the offseason as well. And maybe Connor gets offered more than the Jets are willing to spend and/or wants a fresh start. Not saying any or all of this will happen, but it's possible we could see some significant roster changes as well and be happy to have the young players able to come in.

I guess my (current) ideal scenario is really just basically hoping that the "adding" we do at the TD is a even more improved Lambert (if he's at a stage that he could be an upgrade on Names). That way we're not moving another 1st or top prospect for a rental, and the guys like Lambert, Chibrikov, Lucius, and eventually Yager, Barlow, etc. are playing on their elc's to offset the increased contracts for Ehlers and Connor. We probably could really use another quality RHD prospect to go along with Salo too I think.

 

[KingBogo]

You would think Pionk's numbers go up if he keeps playing the way he is. His career year will trump De Melo's by a lot. De Melo is also more likely to age out from wear and tear in his contract. But I see Samberg and Pionk signing the same term length. There's chemistry between them on and off the ice. You can't necessarily separate their success from each other. They had some success last year too, without much fanfare.

Pionk is a bit of a mystery. He can be very good at times as well as being inconsistent with his play? Does he just need the right partner? Maybe Samberg is that guy? Saying he just plays well in contract years seems like a bit of lazy argument IMO, as he has had some nice stretches in other years as well. I agree the Jets will re-sign him despite the complaints from some. I do think they will want to go longer term with Samberg due to age.

 

[Whileee]

Thinking a bit about Ehlers' situation...

First, I think he's highly valuable and without his offensive impact the Jets could struggle enough offensively to be at risk of falling out of playoff contention. He's juiced the PP and is starting to get that secondary scoring line cooking. I hope the Jets can find a way to re-sign him.

That said, his contract ceiling is clearly below Scheifele and Hellebuyck, so the Jets aren't likely going to go beyond about $7.5-8M on a 6-7 year deal. If Ehlers is looking for considerably more than something in the $48-52M range over 6-7 years, then the Jets probably need to look to trade him for a player that can provide impact for this season and a couple more. That's the likely prime window for this core, before a next wave emerges. It's really hard to make a good hockey trade in season. I wonder if there are any teams looking to make a splash, like the Sabres. They have some good young prospects, but that might not fit what the Jets need to replace Ehlers. Maybe something around Ryan McLeod +? I doubt the Sabres would want to move him, but he might be a good option to replace Namestnikov.

 

[JetsFan815]

Thinking a bit about Ehlers' situation...

First, I think he's highly valuable and without his offensive impact the Jets could struggle enough offensively to be at risk of falling out of playoff contention. He's juiced the PP and is starting to get that secondary scoring line cooking. I hope the Jets can find a way to re-sign him.

That said, his contract ceiling is clearly below Scheifele and Hellebuyck, so the Jets aren't likely going to go beyond about $7.5-8M on a 6-7 year deal. If Ehlers is looking for considerably more than something in the $48-52M range over 6-7 years, then the Jets probably need to look to trade him for a player that can provide impact for this season and a couple more. That's the likely prime window for this core, before a next wave emerges. It's really hard to make a good hockey trade in season. I wonder if there are any teams looking to make a splash, like the Sabres. They have some good young prospects, but that might not fit what the Jets need to replace Ehlers. Maybe something around Ryan McLeod +? I doubt the Sabres would want to move him, but he might be a good option to replace Namestnikov.

The Jets have to show Ehlers they want him and dispel any feelings of disrespect he may or may not have felt in his time with the Jets. One way to do that is to offer him a matching deal to Scheifele and Helle. The Jets are unlikely to break even in an Ehlers trade in the short-term so imo they should be doing a full court press to get him re-signed. And offering a matching deal to 55/37 should be on the table imo.

 

[Buffdog]

The Jets have to show Ehlers they want him and dispel any feelings of disrespect he may or may not have felt in his time with the Jets. One way to do that is to offer him a matching deal to Scheifele and Helle. The Jets are unlikely to break even in an Ehlers trade in the short-term so imo they should be doing a full court press to get him re-signed. And offering a matching deal to 55/37 should be on the table imo.

If Ehlers produced like Schief and Helle he'd get the same deal

There's no way you can say that he does without layering on the asterisks and that's not how these things work

 

[KingBogo]

The Jets have to show Ehlers they want him and dispel any feelings of disrespect he may or may not have felt in his time with the Jets. One way to do that is to offer him a matching deal to Scheifele and Helle. The Jets are unlikely to break even in an Ehlers trade in the short-term so imo they should be doing a full court press to get him re-signed. And offering a matching deal to 55/37 should be on the table imo.

If you were teaching a psychology course this would be a perfect example of projection. Ehlers has never once said he has felt disrespected by the Jets.

 

[JetsFan815]

If you were teaching a psychology course this would be a perfect example of projection. Ehlers has never once said he has felt disrespected by the Jets.

I never said he did either. Just that offering a matching deal to 55/37 would quickly smooth over those feelings if they exist.

 

[KingBogo]

I never said he did either. Just that offering a matching deal to 55/37 would quickly smooth over those feelings if they exist.

Ehlers is one of my favourite players. I have a game worn signed jersey of his in my home office hanging right beside me as I type this. But I don't think the Jets will go quite to Scheifele and Helly with him. Close but not quite there. Maybe something like $8 M X 7.

 

[JetsFan815]

Ehlers is one of my favourite players. I have a game worn signed jersey of his in my home office hanging right beside me as I type this. But I don't think the Jets will go quite to Scheifele and Helly with him. Close but not quite there. Maybe something like $8 M X 7.

I am with you on that. I guess I am just a bit more willing to throw in that extra 500k if that's what it takes.

 

[Heldig]

I have a nagging feeling that we will see a Perfetti trade at some point this season.

 

[Dirtbag151]

Is 8m really the price of LW who's career high is 64 points and has exactly 14..yes 14 playoff points ? I'm not shitting on Ehlers but I wouldn't want to pay him 8x7 for 13 minutes a night
I mean look what were paying everyone else i just cant't see it

 

[voyageur]

Pionk is a bit of a mystery. He can be very good at times as well as being inconsistent with his play? Does he just need the right partner? Maybe Samberg is that guy? Saying he just plays well in contract years seems like a bit of lazy argument IMO, as he has had some nice stretches in other years as well. I agree the Jets will re-sign him despite the complaints from some. I do think they will want to go longer term with Samberg due to age.

I have been a Neal Pionk fan since day 1, because he wanted to play here. So my lenses aren't completely clear. I think saying he has been piss poor for most of his time here is grossly untrue. He's made an impact in our success. But he's been inconsistent. I can't argue that.

The way Chevy talked about him on a personal level seems to indicate he found some peace this offseason after a tough year. And I think Samberg has always been the kind of defenseman who could complement his game, they started on the PK together, last year had a good run, and this year seems better. That's the chemistry this organization tries to build. Long term. So I can see Pionk re-signing. I do think you may be right about wanting to sign Samberg to a longer term. He's definitely cementing himself as a key piece of the top 4. I see growth potential from that pairing, where I do wonder what De Melo's contract looks like as he hits 34-35. But by then Salomonsson should be the heir, and he should still be steady defensively but maybe a step behind.

 

[Gil Fisher]

Well you have conventional wisdom on your side, that’s almost always how it’s been done and you made a good point, I think pressure is a big piece of why GM's do it.

The bold move is to stand pat. Build your team in the summer. Injuries can make you reassess, of the ability to deal from an area of strength/surplus. Generally, I'm against the deadline move. At least until they happen, then I'm like a kid on Christmas morning.

Is 8m really the price of LW who's career high is 64 points and has exactly 14..yes 14 playoff points ? I'm not shitting on Ehlers but I wouldn't want to pay him 8x7 for 13 minutes a night
I mean look what were paying everyone else i just cant't see it

20 shifts a night though.

 

[voyageur]

I agree with you and the OP - GM's will make these deals all day long if they see their team as a potential winner that could use some help.
The hard part is getting it right.

If the adds don't pan out, the concept of trading / adding players at the deadline is questioned when it's really about the players added, how they fit, how motivated are they to win in Wpg, and how they feel in general about being part of a deadline deal. And that's tough when you really don't know the answer to those questions until after the deal is done.

The only easy part of this is questioning the deals after the fact, if they don't pan out - why did we do that? It cost us picks.

I think it's interesting that the last 3 Stanley Cup winners only used secondary assets or prospects to get players at the deadline. Colorado giving up a 2nd and Barron for Lekhonen is the biggest deal out of those 3. If you skip the main Covid years, St. Louis and Washington also only fine tuned. There is something to be said for messing with chemistry you build up all year. Stastny is the only real hit the Jets ever got in a deadline trade. To a lesser extent Stempniak. And it's worth considering that one non playoff year and the Copp trade is what improved the Jets prospect capital, which otherwise would have been in the quite mediocre range with Heinola, Mc Groarty, Chibrikov and Barlow leading it, with some hopeful gems in the later rounds.

Too early to get a read on whether Chevy should be swinging for the fences or playing it conservative.

 

[Whileee]

I think an issue with giving Ehlers something close to a Scheifele / Hellebuyck deal is term and his durability. How well will he age, considering his stature and how key his speed and quickness is to his effectiveness. Jets would probably feel more comfortable with a 6-year term, or a lower cap hit on a 7 or 8 year deal.

But the bigger issue seems to be that yet another coaching staff (hired by Chevy) views Ehlers as a secondary player. Whether or not that is crucial to Ehlers' decision about re-signing is a moot point if the Jets don't value him as a top core player. Their actions suggest that he is more likely to be traded to bring in other dimensions, rather than signing him to a big contract extension. That's unwise and disappointing to me, but that's how I read the Jets' intentions.

 

[voyageur]

I think an issue with giving Ehlers something close to a Scheifele / Hellebuyck deal is term and his durability. How well will he age, considering his stature and how key his speed and quickness is to his effectiveness. Jets would probably feel more comfortable with a 6-year term, or a lower cap hit on a 7 or 8 year deal.

But the bigger issue seems to be that yet another coaching staff (hired by Chevy) views Ehlers as a secondary player. Whether or not that is crucial to Ehlers' decision about re-signing is a moot point if the Jets don't value him as a top core player. Their actions suggest that he is more likely to be traded to bring in other dimensions, rather than signing him to a big contract extension. That's unwise and disappointing to me, but that's how I read the Jets' intentions.

Mr. Whilee I think you are reading into it too much early in the season. Everything you hear from Arniel is positive. How many years was Ehlers championed as a viable PP1 option because of his zone entries? Now's he's in there, which gives him a chance to boost his stats in a significant way. That's the opportunity right there. As for ice time, does anyone think that Adam Lowry isn't effective with his time, playing against top players? He's winning them mostly, but it's home ice advantage early on, on the road you may see more balance in the way lines are dispersed.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Ehlers is one of my favourite players. I have a game worn signed jersey of his in my home office hanging right beside me as I type this. But I don't think the Jets will go quite to Scheifele and Helly with him. Close but not quite there. Maybe something like $8 M X 7.

I was thinking about the same, close to a match, but not quite. Signing for the exact same thing is not quite a match, signed a year+ later. I don't think they would go quite that far though. Might go as high as 8.25. Maybe limited to 6 years. But some big numbers are being tossed around for other players, with the anticipation of a rising cap. So who knows where the upper limit is?

Is 8m really the price of LW who's career high is 64 points and has exactly 14..yes 14 playoff points ? I'm not shitting on Ehlers but I wouldn't want to pay him 8x7 for 13 minutes a night
I mean look what were paying everyone else i just cant't see it

Inflation.

 

[Whileee]

Mr. Whilee I think you are reading into it too much early in the season. Everything you hear from Arniel is positive. How many years was Ehlers championed as a viable PP1 option because of his zone entries? Now's he's in there, which gives him a chance to boost his stats in a significant way. That's the opportunity right there. As for ice time, does anyone think that Adam Lowry isn't effective with his time, playing against top players? He's winning them mostly, but it's home ice advantage early on, on the road you may see more balance in the way lines are dispersed.

I hope you're right.

 

[nobody imp0rtant]

I have a nagging feeling that we will see a Perfetti trade at some point this season.

Is that because of... The Perfetti Incident?

 

[voyageur]

I hope you're right.

May I go a step further and say that Arniel like us fans may have the memory bank of Ehlers and Connor connecting on the ice, when he needs a top line that can bring it, that might be his choice.

 

[Heldig]

Is that because of... The Perfetti Incident?

Incident?

No basis for it other than the sense maybe he does not fit in as they expected him to. Valuable trade chip still.