CrazyDuck4u
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Biggest issue with our team is inconsistent play from the vets.. and Young guys didnt step up.
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ZegrassyKnoll
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So our biggest issue is that both the old guys and the young guys are bad lol
All Mighty
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We need to trade him ASAP. I don't think he's this bad, but we just don't need him anymore.
MMC
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Record with Fowler out: 5-4-2 (only one loss by more than 1 goal, the first game he was out)
Record with Fowler back: 0-3-1 (3 losses by 3+ goals)
Defense gave up 4+ goals only twice while he was gone, already three times since he's been back
Record with Fowler back: 0-3-1 (3 losses by 3+ goals)
Defense gave up 4+ goals only twice while he was gone, already three times since he's been back
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Deuce22
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Hey, what are you doing manufacturing a narrative out of thin air?
MMC
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I’m not gonna be as hard on him as some here, he gave us many good seasons, but he’s definitely gotta go at this point. Too many young LHD who need to be playing over him and unlike guys like Trouba, Dumo, and Gudas, he is clearly not a fit for the way Vercronin want this defense to be playing. I really don’t think it’s a coincidence that the defense had settled in and was playing well in his absence and now seems to be struggling again with him back. Gonna have to figure out a trade soon
Correlation vs Causation
Seeing two variables moving together does not mean we can say that one variable causes the other to occur. This is why we commonly say “correlation does not imply causation.”
The negative that Fowler coming back does bring is a lack of consistency in the lineup and the pairings. I don't trust cronin's ability to manage that effectively.
Ducks are dead last in GF, and 2nd to last in GF/GP, only Nashville is worse. Look at this team's production...
This is not good hockey or a good way for the kids to develop. Cronin needs to go before Jan.
This is not good hockey or a good way for the kids to develop. Cronin needs to go before Jan.
dracom
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We’re also last in shots against. We’re literally not doing anything good under cronin
Deuce22
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Yeah, this is where I'm at. Mostly I still defend him just because I don't want to hear, "See?!? He's bad! I've been telling you this for years!" from his detractors, completely missing how erroneous that line of thinking is.
But he isn't good any more, at least not for this team in this system. It's time to move on.
Terry might get to 60 and will be our leader, but i think he'll finish mid to high 50s assuming he stays healthy. I think Leo will finish 2nd but i'm not too confident about that. Our 2nd leading scorer probably maxes out in the mid-40s with a considerable chance of it being in the 30s. Just absurd lol
Firequacker
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If the anti-Fowler zealots could just stop the snide strawmanning bs, maybe they'd get less pushback.
Fowler has been bad. He's been on for 4 GA in two of the last four games. His PK GA/60 (and xGA/60 if that's your thing) are the worst of any Ducks defenseman who's PKed more than four minutes on the season, the even strength numbers aren't quite that bad but they're close. The eye test is unkind, at best. He's earned plenty of criticism.
It's actually 100% possible to agree that Fowler has been bad, be ready for him to be gone, and still not think "teehee look, he's a literal dark magic curse ruining the entire team! Hockey has zero other variables beyond whether Cam Fowler is in the lineup!" is the peak of clever commentary. But no, anyone who pushes back on that (or the equally obnoxious "see he's always been bad and if you've ever said a good word about him you were wrong then too!") is just a Fowler defender who can't handle the truth and thinks he had a good game last night (all actual comments from the game thread). No, Fowler is bad but you're also unhinged about him, these two things can coexist just fine.
It's 100% a narrative, and it's beyond boring, but the Fowler haterade has to get shoved into everything because people think playing a broken record at full volume is cute and funny.
The "he's always sucked" people trying to take a victory lap now is basically like when Gibson finally gets traded and Seravalli says "see, I've been telling you for years it would happen!"
Fowler has been bad. He's been on for 4 GA in two of the last four games. His PK GA/60 (and xGA/60 if that's your thing) are the worst of any Ducks defenseman who's PKed more than four minutes on the season, the even strength numbers aren't quite that bad but they're close. The eye test is unkind, at best. He's earned plenty of criticism.
It's actually 100% possible to agree that Fowler has been bad, be ready for him to be gone, and still not think "teehee look, he's a literal dark magic curse ruining the entire team! Hockey has zero other variables beyond whether Cam Fowler is in the lineup!" is the peak of clever commentary. But no, anyone who pushes back on that (or the equally obnoxious "see he's always been bad and if you've ever said a good word about him you were wrong then too!") is just a Fowler defender who can't handle the truth and thinks he had a good game last night (all actual comments from the game thread). No, Fowler is bad but you're also unhinged about him, these two things can coexist just fine.
It's 100% a narrative, and it's beyond boring, but the Fowler haterade has to get shoved into everything because people think playing a broken record at full volume is cute and funny.
I mostly just wanted to highlight this.
The "he's always sucked" people trying to take a victory lap now is basically like when Gibson finally gets traded and Seravalli says "see, I've been telling you for years it would happen!"
