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2024-25 Roster Thread #2: Midseasonnar

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Hollywood Cannon said:
Is he though?

Ullmark is on LTIR (that may be more of a paper thing) and Markstrom is now out a few weeks.
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Ersson's probably the backup unless Ullmark's recovery is coincidentally timed perfectly, but the real question is how are they planning to parcel out games? They only have 3 unless they make the championship, in which case it's 4, so maybe Ersson gets game 3, and Gus the rest?
 
deadhead said:
No he didn't. He said there's no urgency to trade Laughton or Risto b/c they're not UFAs.
So he can move him at the TDL or in June.
It's signalling, telling other GMs he's not desperate to make a move so don't bring me lowball offers.

As he showed last season, if the offer is good enough he'll move a player even if they're in the PO hunt.
He reiterated they're still focused on the future, a polite way of saying the current team isn't good enough.
And he made it clear they're not interested in adding rentals.
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Read between the lines. That's cover for when they don't trade either player. He didn't show that last season at all. All of what he said is GM speak. Just like Tortorella's are, Briere's pressers are a complete waste of time. It's just blowing smoke and manipulating the gullible fan base of which you're a part of.
 
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freakydallas13 said:
It kind of does.


This team had a veteran PP quarterback and paid to get rid of him.
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The Flyers have 89 net PP goals since they moved Ghost and Voracek. Montreal are the next worst team, and they have 113. So not only are the Flyers dead last, they are 24 goals behind the second worst PP team over close to 300 games.

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pooch said:
Why is it whenever people use Walker to prove their point that Briere will trade players when they are in a BS playoff race because they are rebuilding, that they always leave out the fact that they tried to re-sign him first?
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"Your Honor, I object!"
"And why is that, Mr. Reed?"
"Because it's devastating to my case!"
 
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MJL66 said:
Read between the lines. That's cover for when they don't trade either player. He didn't show that last season at all. All of what he said is GM speak. Just like Tortorella's are, Briere's pressers are a complete waste of time. It's just blowing smoke and manipulating the gullible fan base of which you're a part of.
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He's not gullible, he's Goebbels
 
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Hollywood Cannon said:
It's the same thing with every player that they bring up. They play decent. They're applauded and we get told they deserve a shot only for the Flyers to send them back down and then we get told that was the right move as they didn't show enough.
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you can literaly say that about every Flyers rookie. its amazing how accurate it is..

pooch said:
Why is it whenever people use Walker to prove their point that Briere will trade players when they are in a BS playoff race because they are rebuilding, that they always leave out the fact that they tried to re-sign him first?
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the ONLY reason Walker wasnt resigned was he wanted that FA money... so the #culture champs cant be that good maybe afterall

but sure we are rebuilding....🤣🤣🤣
 
deadhead said:
It was 3-1 until the 3rd period before the Rangers scored on a long shot.
Good teams outplay bad teams all the time and get beat, sometimes by sizeable margins. Doesn't make the bad team better than the good team.

When you're rebuilding, wins and losses don't matter as much as "how you play the game."
Because you're developing and evaluating young players, and you want to see them do the things that win games. When the team gets more talent, you'll still need to do those things.

As long as they "win" the battle of possession and control, i.e., xGF% and HDCF% over 50% I'm happy.
Young players will learn how to finish with experience, you can fix STs easier than 5x5 play, and goalies are their own world in any case.

If you play in your own end and are dominated, winning with a few lucky goals or a great goalie performance is not sustainable.
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In the Rangers GDT:

"Couts line was bad, so was Seeler-Drysdale. Frost line was meh.
Cates line had another good game. York-Sanheim were fine"

xGF and HDCF chances from the lines last night (Cates line - top, Couts line - middle , Frost's line - bottom)

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Frost's line had the highest raw xGF%, SCF% and HDCF%

By your own definition, the Frost line was the best line for the possession battle and control. How were they meh, but Cates line had another good game?
 
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Curufinwe said:
The Flyers have 89 net PP goals since they moved Ghost and Voracek. Montreal are the next worst team, and they have 113. So not only are the Flyers dead last, they are 24 goals behind the second worst PP team over close to 300 games.

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Thompson was a solid HC at lower levels...

but that does not mean he is a PP coach. (their is an argument he is the worst PP coach in NHL history between SJS and Flyers)

He does not adapt systems to players. I would still contend that a 3-2 set-up is best for this group. (good netfront and board guys and a few active D, but only a couple of natural playmakers)
 
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One thing that has grown in my gut over last year...

While I disagree with some of what Torts does (especially personnel wise)... I have a hard time constructing any argument that he is not a good coach in general. His systems and generally tactical choices at 5v5 have resulted in team outplaying ability at 5v5... I think the group he has helps that... but yeh, I dont like some things about him, but he is a "good" HC in terms of squeezing the last drop from talent through systems and I guess motivation. His ingrained biases suck... I think they hurt some players as a result... but he will probably be gone soon... but I now appreciate his career more in a way and understand why FOs keep hiring him.

Briere and the FO worry me more. We dont have a sample size big enough yet... and the depth additions have been fine, drafting mixed, and trades okay... but I cant shake the sneaking feeling that when the chips are down it will come down to decisions based around building a team in their "style" and not just getting best players. And that rarely works. You cant leave talent on the table in a league where it is a premium.
 
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Appleyard said:
One thing that has grown in my gut over last year...

While I disagree with some of what Torts does (especially personnel wise)... I have a hard time constructing any argument that he is not a good coach in general. His systems and generally tactical choices at 5v5 have resulted in team outplaying ability at 5v5... I think the group he has helps that... but yeh, I dont like some things about him, but he is a "good" HC in terms of squeezing the last drop from talent through systems and I guess motivation. His ingrained biases suck... I think they hurt some players as a result... but he will probably be gone soon... but I now appreciate his career more in a way and understand why FOs keep hiring him.

Briere and the FO worry me more. We dont have a sample size big enough yet... and the depth additions have been fine, drafting mixed, and trades okay... but I cant shake the sneaking feeling that when the chips are down it will come down to decisions based around building a team in their "style" and not just getting best players. And that rarely works. You cant leave talent on the table in a league where it is a premium.
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It's who he's been for a long time: he makes bad rosters hard to beat, but also holds back good players and good rosters.

He's vastly more coherent than AV (not a challenge) but also less limiting than Hakstol (also not a challenge lol). But for me, he's nightmarish because he cements a team in the hellzone of not picking high and not contending. Which can be fine if your management and scouting and development are all top notch, but the Flyers have been the opposite of top notch on all those fronts
 
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Beef Invictus said:
It's who he's been for a long time: he makes bad rosters hard to beat, but also holds back good players and good rosters.

He's vastly more coherent than AV (not a challenge) but also less limiting than Hakstol (also not a challenge lol). But for me, he's nightmarish because he cements a team in the hellzone of not picking high and not contending. Which can be fine if your management and scouting and development are all top notch, but the Flyers have been the opposite of top notch on all those fronts
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"Good with bad rosters and bad with good rosters" is the perfect way to describe Torts. He's the antithesis of the coach you want for a rebuild, but great if you have a team low on talent and want to squeeze every drop out of its roster and your goal is to just make the playoffs but never really be competitive for a cup.
 
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freakydallas13 said:
"Good with bad rosters and bad with good rosters" is the perfect way to describe Torts. He's the antithesis of the coach you want for a rebuild, but great if you have a team low on talent and want to squeeze every drop out of its roster and your goal is to just make the playoffs but never really be competitive for a cup.
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Torturella is the personification of Flyers Perpetual Mediocrity.
 
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I see the narrative is slowly getting from "he turned Martin St. Louis into Martin St. Louis" to "he turned Travis Sanheim into Travis Sanheim"
 
VladDrag said:
In the Rangers GDT:

"Couts line was bad, so was Seeler-Drysdale. Frost line was meh.
Cates line had another good game. York-Sanheim were fine"

xGF and HDCF chances from the lines last night (Cates line - top, Couts line - middle , Frost's line - bottom)

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Frost's line had the highest raw xGF%, SCF% and HDCF%

By your own definition, the Frost line was the best line for the possession battle and control. How were they meh, but Cates line had another good game?
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They didn't jump out at me like they had the last two games.

Torts put the Frost line together 7 games ago:
Anaheim: Cates (Strome 5:06, McTavish 3:07), Frost (McTavish 3:37, Carlsson 3:18), Couts (McTavish 4:36, Strome 3:13)
Florida: Cates (Barkov 4:37, Bennett 3:34), Frost (Lundell 5:22, Bennett 4:15), Couts (Barkov 3:28, Lundell 2:31)
@CBJ: Cates (Belluz 5:37, Fantilli 4:38), Frost (Sillinger (10:13, Fantilli 2:13), Couts (Belluz 4:34, Fantilli 2:30)
@NYI: Cates (Pageau 4:04, Horvat/Nelson 2:55), Frost (Horvat 4:43, Nelson 3:49), Couts (Pageau 4:24, Horvat 4:04)
@NJ: Cates (Hughes 8:10, Nico 2:22), Frost (Nico 5:16, Hughes 4:40), Couts (Nico 4:22, Mercer 4:15)
Det: Cates (Larkin 9:34, Compher 2:43), Frost (Copp 8:55, Compher 4:52), Couts (Compher 5:58, Rasmussen 4:16)
@NYR: Cates (Trocheck 7:07, Carrick 3:57), Frost (Zibanejad 5:22, Trocheck 5:19), Couts (Chytil 4:12, Zibanejad 4:07)
Opposing HC chooses matchups on the road.
Trots tries to give Frost easier matchups at home, on the road, HCs try to keep scoring lines away from Cates.

7 games:
Foerster - Cates - Brink: 66 min xGF 49.21%, HDCF 56.66%
Tippett - Frost - TK: 72 min xGF 59.97%, HDCF 61.90%
Farabee/Lycksell - Couts - Michkov: 60 min xGF 67.00%, HDCF 80.02%

It'll be an interest stretch run and off-season.
I figure Laughton won't be back next year.
Will they extend Cates and/or Frost?
Will Jett break camp with them? What happens with Farabee if they go Couts - Jett - Michkov?

bennysflyers16 said:
Our Current front office tried everything they could to give Sanheim away, I don't think Chuckles ever did one move worse than that would of been.
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At the time, I think the majority of this board preferred trading Sanheim for a 1st rather than give him an 8 year deal, same with TK.
 
Appleyard said:
One thing that has grown in my gut over last year...

While I disagree with some of what Torts does (especially personnel wise)... I have a hard time constructing any argument that he is not a good coach in general. His systems and generally tactical choices at 5v5 have resulted in team outplaying ability at 5v5... I think the group he has helps that... but yeh, I dont like some things about him, but he is a "good" HC in terms of squeezing the last drop from talent through systems and I guess motivation. His ingrained biases suck... I think they hurt some players as a result... but he will probably be gone soon... but I now appreciate his career more in a way and understand why FOs keep hiring him.

Briere and the FO worry me more. We dont have a sample size big enough yet... and the depth additions have been fine, drafting mixed, and trades okay... but I cant shake the sneaking feeling that when the chips are down it will come down to decisions based around building a team in their "style" and not just getting best players. And that rarely works. You cant leave talent on the table in a league where it is a premium.
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What is talent? Around here, it's almost strictly considered offense.
But if I'm building a team, I'm taking Barkov over Bedard or Hughes or most offense first centers without hesitation.

A lot of very talented players over the years haven't helped their teams win, because they lack intangibles or aren't good at playing with others or are poor fits to the team's scheme.

So to me it's talent AND fit, I don't want to pass on a first tier player for a second tier player, but if I'm looking at two players I consider second tier, and the talent difference is minimal, I'll go with fit - because fit helps maximize the talent of the other players on your roster.

Forsling is not the most talented D-man in the NHL, but he's a great fit to Florida's defense.
 
deadhead said:
What is talent? Around here, it's almost strictly considered offense.
But if I'm building a team, I'm taking Barkov over Bedard or Hughes or most offense first centers without hesitation.

A lot of very talented players over the years haven't helped their teams win, because they lack intangibles or aren't good at playing with others or are poor fits to the team's scheme.

So to me it's talent AND fit, I don't want to pass on a first tier player for a second tier player, but if I'm looking at two players I consider second tier, and the talent difference is minimal, I'll go with fit - because fit helps maximize the talent of the other players on your roster.

Forsling is not the most talented D-man in the NHL, but he's a great fit to Florida's defense.
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Great, let's say we agree.

The Flyers have neither.
 
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