2024-25 Roster Thread #2: Midseasonnar

[deadhead]

This is the Leafs profile that has fallen apart as they get to spring.



People have been committed for less than this.

There is no point being a fan if I'm not going to be optimistic.

I've been screwed enough by life without lube to want to carry that attitude over to being a fan, which is why I refuse to watch the 76ers anymore - abandon all hope ye who turn on this channel.

At least with young rebuilding teams there is the possibility that good things can happen, with old under performing teams that have traded their future 1st rd picks there is only despair.

 

[MJL66]

But since the Brink line was put together, they ARE a top scoring team.
last 24 games, ES scoring:
GF/60: 3.17 (1st tied with Avs), xGF/60: 2.91 (8), HDCF/60: (5)
GA/60: 2.98 (25), xGA/60: 2.22 (2), HDCA/60: (3)
Overall:
GF/60: 3.20 (6), xGF/60: 2.97 (14), HDCF/60: (9)
GA/60: 3.27 (17), xGA/60: 2.51 (1), HDCA/60: (3)

While they might be having a little puck luck, they also focus more on creating high danger shots than just throwing it at the net. That helps your Sh%.

They're playing good defense, but not playing defensively, the stress is to force turnovers and quickly flip the ice, not just dump it out of the D-zone.

If they could fix the PP and get it to "average, " they'd be a top five scoring team.
One reason to watch Barkey, Michkov, Brink, Drysdale, Andrae and of course "Bumper Bonk."

Yes, they need more talent at forward and on defense, but this is a good start.

Since this happened or since that happened. Look at the entire season. They've average 2.4 goals a game against quality opponents and that has been inflated by several outlier games.
It's not a good start. It's a terrible start. All they're doing is heading into the middle ground. They'll be a playoff bubble team, incapable of legitimately contending. All it's doing is insuring that they won't get anymore elite level talent. You really don't get it.

What needs to happen for this team to actually succeed is the coach needs to get fired. Briere and Jones need to get fired and they need to bring in a true change agent who will clean house and radically change this franchise. Until that happens, this team is going nowhere.

 

[MJL66]

There is no point being a fan if I'm not going to be optimistic.

I've been screwed enough by life without lube to want to carry that attitude over to being a fan, which is why I refuse to watch the 76ers anymore - abandon all hope ye who turn on this channel.

At least with young rebuilding teams there is the possibility that good things can happen, with old under performing teams that have traded their future 1st rd picks there is only despair.

The Flyers aren't a young rebuilding team. That's a mirage that you're seeing. Optimism has to be warranted and justified. I don't know how long you've been a Flyers fan but Flyers fans have been taking it without lube for over a decade. The Flyers are one of the most incomptently run teams in pro sports.

 

[JojoTheWhale]

There is no point being a fan if I'm not going to be optimistic.

I've been screwed enough by life without lube to want to carry that attitude over to being a fan, which is why I refuse to watch the 76ers anymore - abandon all hope ye who turn on this channel.

At least with young rebuilding teams there is the possibility that good things can happen, with old under performing teams that have traded their future 1st rd picks there is only despair.

I've been meaning to ask you this because I think it might explain some things. Would you be happy as a Steelers fan with the 2014ish to 2024 decade? They won an awful lot of games. Didn't have a single losing season and only one failed to break .500. They even made an AFCCG. But they never felt like they had a chance to win everything.

 

[sauce88]

I've been meaning to ask you this because I think it might explain some things. Would you be happy as a Steelers fan with the 2014ish to 2024 decade? They won an awful lot of games. Didn't have a single losing season and only one failed to break .500. They even made an AFCCG. But they never felt like they had a chance to win everything.

Not speaking for Deady specifically, but I think there are a lot of older fans that have seen the cup teams that would be happy with that type of performance of just being "in the mix" but not really having a legit shot to win, just the vibe I get from coworkers and family I know who are fans.

On the other hand, I'm seeing more of the angst and anger of the current affairs from the fans I know born in the 80s and 90s that have never seen a championship team and are getting the sense that they may never see one. Having that 2010 run end in a cup would have probably take some of the sting away from what's transpired the past decade +, for me anyway.

I know there's a wide spectrum of fandom that doesn't fall into those two categories specifically, but that's the general sense I've gotten personally.

 

[HeadLiceHatty]

The organization is trash thats why it is the way it is. #halfacentury

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

 

[HeadLiceHatty]

Simple and safe, the words of our almighty savior John.

#halfacentury

 

[FLYguy3911]

Won’t see him no more.

 

[Chinatown88]

o7

 

[deadhead]

Since this happened or since that happened. Look at the entire season. They've average 2.4 goals a game against quality opponents and that has been inflated by several outlier games.
It's not a good start. It's a terrible start. All they're doing is heading into the middle ground. They'll be a playoff bubble team, incapable of legitimately contending. All it's doing is insuring that they won't get anymore elite level talent. You really don't get it.

What needs to happen for this team to actually succeed is the coach needs to get fired. Briere and Jones need to get fired and they need to bring in a true change agent who will clean house and radically change this franchise. Until that happens, this team is going nowhere.

Team scores less against quality opponents.
Sun rises in the East.

 

[renberg]

Numbers get thrown around here like it's an accountant's convention. the real numbers that matter is that the Flyers have played 45 games going into tonight. They're 19-20-6 with a -19 goal difference. In other words, they're a bad team that is not getting any better than last season. At this rate they're heading to the bottom six of the league by the end of the season.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

Team scores less against quality opponents.
Sun rises in the East.

Please use this same energy when you poo poo Morgan Frost.

 

[HeadLiceHatty]

With Poehling hurt they'll have to find another soldier willing to turn a hockey game into a football game via tackling. Do they make a move?

 

[deadhead]

I've been meaning to ask you this because I think it might explain some things. Would you be happy as a Steelers fan with the 2014ish to 2024 decade? They won an awful lot of games. Didn't have a single losing season and only one failed to break .500. They even made an AFCCG. But they never felt like they had a chance to win everything.

No. Because I'm spoiled as an Eagles fan.
But if you asked me in the early 1970s, . . .

The teams that are similar in the NHL tend to be those who are either mediocre with a top goalie and thus no upside, or have GMs that patch things together each year but never commit to team building.

I don't think the Flyers need to land another "Superstar" like Michkov, add a TK (#24) and Sanheim (#17) and find a goalie and I think they'd be a legitimate SC contender for an extended period.

For example, a top six center would solidify the lines, allow Couts to move to LW where he's more likely to age gracefully, etc. A top four D-man would allow Andrae, Bonk, Drysdale, et al to fight it out for three spots.

 

[freakydallas13]

No. Because I'm spoiled as an Eagles fan.
But if you asked me in the early 1970s, . . .

The teams that are similar in the NHL tend to be those who are either mediocre with a top goalie and thus no upside, or have GMs that patch things together each year but never commit to team building.

I don't think the Flyers need to land another "Superstar" like Michkov, add a TK (#24) and Sanheim (#17) and find a goalie and I think they'd be a legitimate SC contender for an extended period.

For example, a top six center would solidify the lines, allow Couts to move to LW where he's more likely to age gracefully, etc. A top four D-man would allow Andrae, Bonk, Drysdale, et al to fight it out for three spots.

I'm going to ignore the fact you think adding another Konecny and another Sanheim is good enough for this team, because flat out I disagree and nothing anyone says will change your mind.

After the Flyers drafted their last superstar (Giroux), they have drafted exactly.....3 players you can actually build around? Couts, TK, and Sanheim? And that took what, several hundred draft picks over 18 years?

You can believe in this team to your heart's content, but don't give us this undeserved optimism it will all work out, because the current path the team is on is junk.

 

[Beef Invictus]

"The Brink Line" is officially at Niskanen status

 

[deadhead]

Outplayed another team on the road.
Isles aren't good but they're irritating, that is, they can make you look bad.

Ersson playing much better since he returned, -0.35 (GA - xGA) per game over 6 games.
Fedotov playing more like a solid backup.
If Ersson can stay healthy and play like this they're going to make a run.

By TOI last 25 games:

TK (27), Tippett (25), Couts (32), Farabee (24), Michkov (20), Foerster (23), Cates (25), Frost (25), Brink (23), Laughton (30), Poehling (26), Hathaway (33)

Sanheim (28), York (24), Risto (30), Zamula (24), Drysdale (22), Seeler (31)

How can you look at these ages and tell me this isn't a young team?

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

Outplayed another team on the road.
Isles aren't good but they're irritating, that is, they can make you look bad.

Ersson playing much better since he returned, -0.35 (GA - xGA) per game over 6 games.
Fedotov playing more like a solid backup.
If Ersson can stay healthy and play like this they're going to make a run.

By TOI last 25 games:

TK (27), Tippett (25), Couts (32), Farabee (24), Michkov (20), Foerster (23), Cates (25), Frost (25), Brink (23), Laughton (30), Poehling (26), Hathaway (33)

Sanheim (28), York (24), Risto (30), Zamula (24), Drysdale (22), Seeler (31)

How can you look at these ages and tell me this isn't a young team?

 

[MJL66]

Team scores less against quality opponents.
Sun rises in the East.

I guess the basics of hockey have to be explained to you. You make statements like if the Flyers get a couple of decent starters and get good goaltending, they'll be a top 8 team in the league. You make constant comments that they're a good offensive team by using small sample sizes. Such as since the Cates line was put together. I have a question for you. In the playoffs, who are they going to play against? Is the goal to compete for and win the Stanley Cup. Padding their offensive totals against the weaker teams doesn't make them a good offensive team. They'll have to score against the quality teams in a playoff setting. They're not a good offensive team against quality opponents. I know all of this is difficult for you to grasp.

No. Because I'm spoiled as an Eagles fan.
But if you asked me in the early 1970s, . . .

The teams that are similar in the NHL tend to be those who are either mediocre with a top goalie and thus no upside, or have GMs that patch things together each year but never commit to team building.

I don't think the Flyers need to land another "Superstar" like Michkov, add a TK (#24) and Sanheim (#17) and find a goalie and I think they'd be a legitimate SC contender for an extended period.

For example, a top six center would solidify the lines, allow Couts to move to LW where he's more likely to age gracefully, etc. A top four D-man would allow Andrae, Bonk, Drysdale, et al to fight it out for three spots.

So if they did that, the Flyers would be an outlier and different from all the other legitimate Cup contenders that have multiple high level players on the roster. Sanheim is not the player you think he is.

 

[MJL66]

Outplayed another team on the road.
Isles aren't good but they're irritating, that is, they can make you look bad.

Ersson playing much better since he returned, -0.35 (GA - xGA) per game over 6 games.
Fedotov playing more like a solid backup.
If Ersson can stay healthy and play like this they're going to make a run.

By TOI last 25 games:

TK (27), Tippett (25), Couts (32), Farabee (24), Michkov (20), Foerster (23), Cates (25), Frost (25), Brink (23), Laughton (30), Poehling (26), Hathaway (33)

Sanheim (28), York (24), Risto (30), Zamula (24), Drysdale (22), Seeler (31)

How can you look at these ages and tell me this isn't a young team?

One goal game and they hung on in desperation in the 3rd period.

 

[flyersnorth]

It's not just solid defense, since the forwards jelled, they're a top scoring team 5x5, good discipline on defense to flip the ice, transition scoring and creating opportunities off the forecheck.

If you can't role an elite 1st line, then roll 4 solid lines with speed, play fast every shift and keep everyone's minutes down so they have fresh legs.

Same on defense, if you can't find a true #1, put together two solid pairs and a 3rd pair that won't embarrass themselves for 15 minutes.

Improve the STs and get an above average goalie and you have a legitimate shot every year.

Especially when Michkov grows up in 2-3 years.

I don't disagree with this in principle...

But in practice, does this ever win Cups?

And in the off chances it does, you need absolutely everything to break in your favour.

 

[deadhead]

I don't disagree with this in principle...

But in practice, does this ever win Cups?

And in the off chances it does, you need absolutely everything to break in your favour.

Flyers have TK, Michkov, Sanheim. What do you think top players are? There's only one McDavid.
What do you think you're going to draft at #5 or #6?

You build up your talent and asset base, compete every year, maybe a player takes the next step up like TK, maybe the right player comes to you in a trade.

The Flyers have a nice base of young talent. It's a start. This summer's draft is an opportunity to add more.

 

[flyersnorth]

Flyers have TK, Michkov, Sanheim. What do you think top players are? There's only one McDavid.
What do you think you're going to draft at #5 or #6?

You build up your talent and asset base, compete every year, maybe a player takes the next step up like TK, maybe the right player comes to you in a trade.

The Flyers have a nice base of young talent. It's a start. This summer's draft is an opportunity to add more.

Absolutely, like I said, I don't disagree in principle. And of course, they *can* find a stud later in the 1st or other rounds (like Giroux, Pastrnak, Kucherov, Point).

But they are upping their level of difficulty, and they have not proven to be able to find those guys. There's Giroux and Ghost. When they have drafted high, they've bungled those picks too. With the recent mid-round picks, they have been drafting the safe, vanilla type players.

Michkov seems to be the exception.

So it's definitely possible that they hit on someone special, or make a high-difficulty, high-reward trade (think Tkachuk type move) but have they ever demonstrated that they can do that?

We'll see.

 

[BiggE]

Not speaking for Deady specifically, but I think there are a lot of older fans that have seen the cup teams that would be happy with that type of performance of just being "in the mix" but not really having a legit shot to win, just the vibe I get from coworkers and family I know who are fans.

On the other hand, I'm seeing more of the angst and anger of the current affairs from the fans I know born in the 80s and 90s that have never seen a championship team and are getting the sense that they may never see one. Having that 2010 run end in a cup would have probably take some of the sting away from what's transpired the past decade +, for me anyway.

I know there's a wide spectrum of fandom that doesn't fall into those two categories specifically, but that's the general sense I've gotten personally.

As a fan who was 10 when they last won a Cup, no, I’m not at all satisfied with just making the playoffs.

I understand that only 1 team can win it all, but I at least want a team with a legit shot to do it. We had that in the mid to late 80s, again in the mid to late 90s and with Hitch’s teams in 03 & 04. Since then, the only time they went into a season where I thought they had even a shot at a Cup was 2005-06 and 09-10.

Fifteen f***ing years and still going nowhere. Oh, what did you say? Cates is playing well, and if they just had a pp, and if they just had consistent goaltending….STUFF IT!! No one with half a brain is buying this bullshit. They need more TALENT, they need a competent head coach, they need to bring in people who can develop the talent. Until they do, they will continue to drive around in circles going nowhere.