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2024-25 Roster Thread #2: Midseasonnar

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JojoTheWhale said:
This is the Leafs profile that has fallen apart as they get to spring.



People have been committed for less than this.
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There is no point being a fan if I'm not going to be optimistic.

I've been screwed enough by life without lube to want to carry that attitude over to being a fan, which is why I refuse to watch the 76ers anymore - abandon all hope ye who turn on this channel.

At least with young rebuilding teams there is the possibility that good things can happen, with old under performing teams that have traded their future 1st rd picks there is only despair.
 
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deadhead said:
But since the Brink line was put together, they ARE a top scoring team.
last 24 games, ES scoring:
GF/60: 3.17 (1st tied with Avs), xGF/60: 2.91 (8), HDCF/60: (5)
GA/60: 2.98 (25), xGA/60: 2.22 (2), HDCA/60: (3)
Overall:
GF/60: 3.20 (6), xGF/60: 2.97 (14), HDCF/60: (9)
GA/60: 3.27 (17), xGA/60: 2.51 (1), HDCA/60: (3)

While they might be having a little puck luck, they also focus more on creating high danger shots than just throwing it at the net. That helps your Sh%.

They're playing good defense, but not playing defensively, the stress is to force turnovers and quickly flip the ice, not just dump it out of the D-zone.

If they could fix the PP and get it to "average, " they'd be a top five scoring team.
One reason to watch Barkey, Michkov, Brink, Drysdale, Andrae and of course "Bumper Bonk."

Yes, they need more talent at forward and on defense, but this is a good start.
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Since this happened or since that happened. Look at the entire season. They've average 2.4 goals a game against quality opponents and that has been inflated by several outlier games.
It's not a good start. It's a terrible start. All they're doing is heading into the middle ground. They'll be a playoff bubble team, incapable of legitimately contending. All it's doing is insuring that they won't get anymore elite level talent. You really don't get it.

What needs to happen for this team to actually succeed is the coach needs to get fired. Briere and Jones need to get fired and they need to bring in a true change agent who will clean house and radically change this franchise. Until that happens, this team is going nowhere.
 
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deadhead said:
There is no point being a fan if I'm not going to be optimistic.

I've been screwed enough by life without lube to want to carry that attitude over to being a fan, which is why I refuse to watch the 76ers anymore - abandon all hope ye who turn on this channel.

At least with young rebuilding teams there is the possibility that good things can happen, with old under performing teams that have traded their future 1st rd picks there is only despair.
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The Flyers aren't a young rebuilding team. That's a mirage that you're seeing. Optimism has to be warranted and justified. I don't know how long you've been a Flyers fan but Flyers fans have been taking it without lube for over a decade. The Flyers are one of the most incomptently run teams in pro sports.
 
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deadhead said:
There is no point being a fan if I'm not going to be optimistic.

I've been screwed enough by life without lube to want to carry that attitude over to being a fan, which is why I refuse to watch the 76ers anymore - abandon all hope ye who turn on this channel.

At least with young rebuilding teams there is the possibility that good things can happen, with old under performing teams that have traded their future 1st rd picks there is only despair.
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I've been meaning to ask you this because I think it might explain some things. Would you be happy as a Steelers fan with the 2014ish to 2024 decade? They won an awful lot of games. Didn't have a single losing season and only one failed to break .500. They even made an AFCCG. But they never felt like they had a chance to win everything.
 
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JojoTheWhale said:
I've been meaning to ask you this because I think it might explain some things. Would you be happy as a Steelers fan with the 2014ish to 2024 decade? They won an awful lot of games. Didn't have a single losing season and only one failed to break .500. They even made an AFCCG. But they never felt like they had a chance to win everything.
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Not speaking for Deady specifically, but I think there are a lot of older fans that have seen the cup teams that would be happy with that type of performance of just being "in the mix" but not really having a legit shot to win, just the vibe I get from coworkers and family I know who are fans.

On the other hand, I'm seeing more of the angst and anger of the current affairs from the fans I know born in the 80s and 90s that have never seen a championship team and are getting the sense that they may never see one. Having that 2010 run end in a cup would have probably take some of the sting away from what's transpired the past decade +, for me anyway.

I know there's a wide spectrum of fandom that doesn't fall into those two categories specifically, but that's the general sense I've gotten personally.
 
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MJL66 said:
Since this happened or since that happened. Look at the entire season. They've average 2.4 goals a game against quality opponents and that has been inflated by several outlier games.
It's not a good start. It's a terrible start. All they're doing is heading into the middle ground. They'll be a playoff bubble team, incapable of legitimately contending. All it's doing is insuring that they won't get anymore elite level talent. You really don't get it.

What needs to happen for this team to actually succeed is the coach needs to get fired. Briere and Jones need to get fired and they need to bring in a true change agent who will clean house and radically change this franchise. Until that happens, this team is going nowhere.
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Team scores less against quality opponents.
Sun rises in the East.
 
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Numbers get thrown around here like it's an accountant's convention. the real numbers that matter is that the Flyers have played 45 games going into tonight. They're 19-20-6 with a -19 goal difference. In other words, they're a bad team that is not getting any better than last season. At this rate they're heading to the bottom six of the league by the end of the season.
 
JojoTheWhale said:
I've been meaning to ask you this because I think it might explain some things. Would you be happy as a Steelers fan with the 2014ish to 2024 decade? They won an awful lot of games. Didn't have a single losing season and only one failed to break .500. They even made an AFCCG. But they never felt like they had a chance to win everything.
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No. Because I'm spoiled as an Eagles fan. :DD
But if you asked me in the early 1970s, . . .

The teams that are similar in the NHL tend to be those who are either mediocre with a top goalie and thus no upside, or have GMs that patch things together each year but never commit to team building.

I don't think the Flyers need to land another "Superstar" like Michkov, add a TK (#24) and Sanheim (#17) and find a goalie and I think they'd be a legitimate SC contender for an extended period.

For example, a top six center would solidify the lines, allow Couts to move to LW where he's more likely to age gracefully, etc. A top four D-man would allow Andrae, Bonk, Drysdale, et al to fight it out for three spots.
 
deadhead said:
No. Because I'm spoiled as an Eagles fan. :DD
But if you asked me in the early 1970s, . . .

The teams that are similar in the NHL tend to be those who are either mediocre with a top goalie and thus no upside, or have GMs that patch things together each year but never commit to team building.

I don't think the Flyers need to land another "Superstar" like Michkov, add a TK (#24) and Sanheim (#17) and find a goalie and I think they'd be a legitimate SC contender for an extended period.

For example, a top six center would solidify the lines, allow Couts to move to LW where he's more likely to age gracefully, etc. A top four D-man would allow Andrae, Bonk, Drysdale, et al to fight it out for three spots.
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I'm going to ignore the fact you think adding another Konecny and another Sanheim is good enough for this team, because flat out I disagree and nothing anyone says will change your mind.

After the Flyers drafted their last superstar (Giroux), they have drafted exactly.....3 players you can actually build around? Couts, TK, and Sanheim? And that took what, several hundred draft picks over 18 years?

You can believe in this team to your heart's content, but don't give us this undeserved optimism it will all work out, because the current path the team is on is junk.
 
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Outplayed another team on the road.
Isles aren't good but they're irritating, that is, they can make you look bad.

Ersson playing much better since he returned, -0.35 (GA - xGA) per game over 6 games.
Fedotov playing more like a solid backup.
If Ersson can stay healthy and play like this they're going to make a run.

By TOI last 25 games:

TK (27), Tippett (25), Couts (32), Farabee (24), Michkov (20), Foerster (23), Cates (25), Frost (25), Brink (23), Laughton (30), Poehling (26), Hathaway (33)

Sanheim (28), York (24), Risto (30), Zamula (24), Drysdale (22), Seeler (31)

How can you look at these ages and tell me this isn't a young team?
 
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