2024-25 Roster Thread #2: Midseasonnar

[Flyer lurker]

Didn't they later explain they didn't need JG because they didn't want to have too much skill? That's the very epitome of the cancerous old guard thinking.

The old guard all ready spent the cap space just before free agency. That would be risto at 5.1 m per. Because toughness over skill has never been the old guard's way for the last 15 years.
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[BiggE]

Ok let's have some fun again. Take from this list what you will. To me? New Era is BS. Zero Accountability. Vast majority of these people are around for a long ass time.

The minimal new hires they have made? Cute little connections to Lombardi, Murray, or Minnesota (Flahr/Fletcher).

Senior Management:
Daniel Briere GM - in a front office role in 2015
Barry Hanrahan Assistant GM/Cap Guru - front office role since 1997
Brent Flahr Assistant GM - fronce office role since 2018
Tom Miton Director of Hockey ops - Front office role since 2019. MINNESOTA(Flahr/Fletcher) connection since 2014.
Alyn McCauley Assistant General Manager - Flyers Scout since 2017. LOS ANGELES(Lombardi) connection back to 2009 in LA.


Advisors:
Bill Barber - Front office role since 1988
Bob Clarke - Front office role since 1984
Paul Holmgren - Front office roe since 1997
Dean Lombardi -Front office role since 2017
Bob Murray - Front office role since 2023
John LeClair - Hired 2023
Patrick Sharp- Hired 2023

Analytics:
Ian Anderson Director of Analytics - Flyers Front office since 2014
Jacob Hurlbut Assisant Director of Analytics - Front office since 2016


Player Development:
Riley Armstrong Director of Player Development - Front Office role since 2019 (Briere's Assistant GM in ECHL)
Nick Schultz Assostant Director - 2019
Sam Morin - 2022
Chris Stewart - 2021
Brady Robinson -2015
Ryan Cyr - 2024
Sami Kapanen (also listed as scout)- 2022

Pro Scouting:
Mike Eastwood Director of Pro Scouting - Hired 2023. HIRED SAME TIME AS BOB MURRAY (Anaheim Connection)
Reid Simpson Director of European Pro Scouting - Hired 2024 (Canadiens Pro scout 2016-2023)
Dave Brown - Front office role since 2006
Greg Chase - Hired 2023, ECHL Maine Connection with Briere/McCauley
Ross Fitzpatrick - 2006
Dany Heatley - 2023
Daniel Temblay - 2023

Amateur Scouting:
Grant Armstrong - 2022 (Former Wheat Kings General Manager)
Shane Fukushima - 2021
Martin Gendron - 2019 (Minnesota Wild Scout prior)
Mark Greig - 2007
Todd Hearty - 2008
Dennis Patterson- 1983
Kyle Shero - 2022
Steven Stefanski - 2023
Joakin Grundberg - 2014
Ken Hoodikoff - 2009 ( Minnesota Wild Scout prior)
Sami Sandell - 2020
Jan Slansky - 2018
Oleg Znarok - 2024 (AK Bars Kazan KHL HC prior to, interesting connection)
Wade Clarke - 2007
Len Quesnelle - 2022

Clarke’s kid is on the payroll and the God knows how old Dennis Patterson still scouting talent.

Yeah, Clarke has no influence

 

[Ghosts Beer]

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No, you should not use quotation marks when paraphrasing because paraphrasing means expressing someone else's ideas in your own words, so quotation marks are only used when directly quoting the exact words from a source; if you use quotation marks while paraphrasing, it could be considered plagiarism.
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[deadhead]

Oh, you are actually pretending you don't understand what paraphrasing is. I never said I was directly quoting him. Youre a liar, who has to lie about me to defend the authorities running the Flyers. You are engaging in bad faith discussion because it is not possible to defend the Flyers in good faith.

Just like how you snagged a thread from 2020 and lied about it being relevant to a 2019 occurrence hoping nobody would notice. Just like you pretended that Giroux being traded in a dead season is relevant to the off-season to set up the next. All bad faith.

Do you have any honesty to offer, or no? So far it looks like no. Why do you defend the Flyers' every action when that's what is needed to do so?

No. That's not paraphrasing, that's "interpreting," imposing your view of what he said and ignoring what he actually did and didn't say. You also ignored the obvious contradictions, he had no first hand knowledge of the organization other than one development camp, his only "inside" source would have been Hayes, which he then denies having any influence on his decision.

You hate this FO, you make up stuff all the time like they hate skill players (tell that to Michkov, TK, Frost, Farabee, Andrae, Sanheim - all draft picks).

You claim they have a size obsession when they've been one of the smallest NHL teams for the last few years.

There are valid criticisms to be made, but your comments lack credibility because of your tendency toward hyperbole and mis-attribution.

 

[Cody Webster]

No. That's not paraphrasing, that's "interpreting," imposing your view of what he said and ignoring what he actually did and didn't say. You also ignored the obvious contradictions, he had no first hand knowledge of the organization other than one development camp, his only "inside" source would have been Hayes, which he then denies having any influence on his decision.

You hate this FO, you make up stuff all the time like they hate skill players (tell that to Michkov, TK, Frost, Farabee, Andrae, Sanheim - all draft picks).

You claim they have a size obsession when they've been one of the smallest NHL teams for the last few years.

There are valid criticisms to be made, but your comments lack credibility because of your tendency toward hyperbole and mis-attribution.

Oh, now that's comical

 

[BernieParent]

Deslauriers should be bought out. The cap hit isn't a big deal, but you can't afford to carry a useless forward on the 23 man roster, especially if you have three goalies. His convenient injury can't last forever.

The Flyers would save $1m on the cap in 2025-26, and have a $500K penalty in 2026-27.

I do want to express relief and approval that neither Deslauriers nor Johnson have seen ice time this season anywhere comparable to last year.

 

[deadhead]

It's not that I disagree in any way that all roads can work. My concern is that they've chosen a particularly difficult one and there are 2 or 3 front offices in all of hockey that I trust to execute a degree of difficulty that high.

Now if you're one of the people who are happy being the post-Roethlisberger's prime Steelers, I think you should be more optimistic than I am. They seem to understand enough to win a reasonable amount of NHL games and maybe make a Conference Final one year when the stars align. But they won't ever be a contender unless they execute like one of those 2-3 teams can at their best.

Not sure it's particularly difficult. All successful strategies are difficult b/c by definition only a few can succeed (only one SC winner per year, and maybe a half dozen franchises in any decade that have sustained success short of a Cup, multiple 100 point seasons advancing to the CF and SC finals a couple times).

If you look at most "tanks," it's often the 2nd or 3rd GM who succeeds, b/c tanking is a difficult strategy as well - not only does it take an extended period, usually 6-8 years, but coming out of it you have a limited window when you have to add talent around those high picks and deal with the cap limitations when you extend your stars. So you not only have to draft well in the bad years, you have to handle the transition to "success" to make it sustainable.

 

[Flyerfan4life]

Deslauriers should be bought out. The cap hit isn't a big deal, but you can't afford to carry a useless forward on the 23 man roster, especially if you have three goalies. His convenient injury can't last forever.

The Flyers would save $1m on the cap in 2025-26, and have a $500K penalty in 2026-27.

useless ? hes MMs best friend according to DB n Torts...

 

[JojoTheWhale]

Not sure it's particularly difficult. All successful strategies are difficult b/c by definition only a few can succeed (only one SC winner per year, and maybe a half dozen franchises in any decade that have sustained success short of a Cup, multiple 100 point seasons advancing to the CF and SC finals a couple times).

If you look at most "tanks," it's often the 2nd or 3rd GM who succeeds, b/c tanking is a difficult strategy as well - not only does it take an extended period, usually 6-8 years, but coming out of it you have a limited window when you have to add talent around those high picks and deal with the cap limitations when you extend your stars. So you not only have to draft well in the bad years, you have to handle the transition to "success" to make it sustainable.

This is one of the broadest discussions we can possibly have. To me, in order to really have it, we would have to talk about not just what tanking actually is but the hiring practices of tanking teams.

I haven't researched your 2nd GM point, so I can't speak to it. But I do need to know that we're comparing apples to apples because many teams that are bad are just flat out incompetent.

The one thing I would say is inarguable is that you are more likely to get a star the closer you are to the top of the draft. Every team will be varying degrees of more likely. But they're all still more. Same goes for the number of picks you make overall, albeit in different ways. At least in that area, the degree of difficulty is high. There's no wiggle room here.

 

[Beef Invictus]

No. That's not paraphrasing, that's "interpreting," imposing your view of what he said and ignoring what he actually did and didn't say. You also ignored the obvious contradictions, he had no first hand knowledge of the organization other than one development camp, his only "inside" source would have been Hayes, which he then denies having any influence on his decision.

You hate this FO, you make up stuff all the time like they hate skill players (tell that to Michkov, TK, Frost, Farabee, Andrae, Sanheim - all draft picks).

You claim they have a size obsession when they've been one of the smallest NHL teams for the last few years.

There are valid criticisms to be made, but your comments lack credibility because of your tendency toward hyperbole and mis-attribution.

No, it was paraphrasing. It was an accurate summary of what he said. The only way for it to be inaccurate is if Gauthier did not believe they were doing incompetent things, in which case the quote makes zero sense at all.

Between you and Mr. AI posting wrong information given that paraphrasing commonly uses quotation marks and plagiarism isn't at issue here since this isn't a citation problem, I'm thinking a repeat of Elementary school English is needed.

This is pathetic. Cannot possibly attack what was said, and so the person is attacked. Very dishonest.

 

[freakydallas13]

As predicted, the authentics doing 2 days of victory laps over the Flyers beating Anaheim has been both incredibly insufferable and an absolute chore to read in every thread.

 

[mize370]

Great news everyone! I just got off the phone with Gary Bettman and he confirmed to me that this seasons playoffs and regular seasson are changing to 5 0n 5 only because we are the best at it. Raise the banner!!!

 

[Ghosts Beer]

Direct quotes:

“It’s been a long process and a handful of months dealing with this and I don’t think it’s the right time to kind of discuss it,” said Gauthier. “There might be one day where I kind of get into the details of what happened. Right now, I kind of want to keep it to a private matter.”

“It wasn’t one specific reason why I asked for a trade,” said Gauthier. “It was multiple, re-occurring issues that I’d seen over the past year and a half, two years of being under the Flyers organization. It kind of hit me all at once, thinking ‘I can’t move forward with this’ and ‘I really need to step up for myself and see what’s best for my future’ and that’s what I did.”

You write, "This took a fraction of a section to find," link to an article, and underneath, in quotation marks, write, "The Flyers are incompetent and I didn't want to tie my career to that."

No other explanation. The obvious insinuation that you are quoting from the article you cited.

Which you did not. You fabricated a quote. You didn't lead, for example, with "He's basically saying" before putting your "paraphrase" in quotes.

It's complete academic dishonesty.

And your alleged paraphrase is also hyperbolic misrepresentation. Cutter gives no specific reasons and he doesn't say what the "re-occurring issues" were. They could have been anything. What he does say is he doesn't want to get into the details and wants to keep it private.

Which of course completely flies in the face of your initial assertion that Cutter's camp gave a clear and specific explanation for why he demanded a trade (a broken promise) and that this was "basic information" and that anyone who didn't know this didn't have a "grasp of the facts."

You are both dishonest and wrong.

 

[MJL66]

Not sure it's particularly difficult. All successful strategies are difficult b/c by definition only a few can succeed (only one SC winner per year, and maybe a half dozen franchises in any decade that have sustained success short of a Cup, multiple 100 point seasons advancing to the CF and SC finals a couple times).

If you look at most "tanks," it's often the 2nd or 3rd GM who succeeds, b/c tanking is a difficult strategy as well - not only does it take an extended period, usually 6-8 years, but coming out of it you have a limited window when you have to add talent around those high picks and deal with the cap limitations when you extend your stars. So you not only have to draft well in the bad years, you have to handle the transition to "success" to make it sustainable.

I agree, it's much better to stay on the endless cycle that the Flyers have been on for about 15 years with no chance whatsoever in that time frame to compete for the Cup then to have to wait the 6-8 years that tanking might take. Here is a clue. You're waiting, you've been waiting and you're going to continue to wait.

There there is the matter that you open with "not sure it's particularly difficult and the say "all strategies are difficult. What's difficult should not be the debate. The debate is what strategy provides the best odds.

 

[flyersnorth]

Will they ever call Andrae back up to play with the big team? Of all the moves they've made this year, that's the most frustrating one for me as a fan.

He is fast, skilled, and fun as heck to watch. He gives the back end more mobility.

 

[FLYguy3911]

Not until one of the smaller D's get injured.

 

[deadhead]

Will they ever call Andrae back up to play with the big team? Of all the moves they've made this year, that's the most frustrating one for me as a fan.

He is fast, skilled, and fun as heck to watch. He gives the back end more mobility.

Zamula has pretty much blocked him, he's playing very well (with the inevitable hiccup here and there).
Not sure he's in their long-term future, but he's a solid asset.

We'll see what happens comes the week of the TDL, which is only 6 weeks (including the 4 Nations hiatus) away.

 

[kudymen]

Do I backread?

 

[Curufinwe]

Really tired of this narrative about how Risto was only bad during Tort's first season in charge. That was a season where he played 74 out of 82 games. Since then he has played another 74 games out of 124.

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Meanwhile Seeler has produced better results at a much lower cost and been more durable despite blocking more shots.

Will they ever call Andrae back up to play with the big team? Of all the moves they've made this year, that's the most frustrating one for me as a fan.

He is fast, skilled, and fun as heck to watch. He gives the back end more mobility.

No room on the roster thanks to their 3D chess game with the goalies.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Direct quotes:

“It’s been a long process and a handful of months dealing with this and I don’t think it’s the right time to kind of discuss it,” said Gauthier. “There might be one day where I kind of get into the details of what happened. Right now, I kind of want to keep it to a private matter.”

“It wasn’t one specific reason why I asked for a trade,” said Gauthier. “It was multiple, re-occurring issues that I’d seen over the past year and a half, two years of being under the Flyers organization. It kind of hit me all at once, thinking ‘I can’t move forward with this’ and ‘I really need to step up for myself and see what’s best for my future’ and that’s what I did.”

You write, "This took a fraction of a section to find," link to an article, and underneath, in quotation marks, write, "The Flyers are incompetent and I didn't want to tie my career to that."

No other explanation. The obvious insinuation that you are quoting from the article you cited.

Which you did not. You fabricated a quote. You didn't lead, for example, with "He's basically saying" before putting your "paraphrase" in quotes.

It's complete academic dishonesty.

And your alleged paraphrase is also hyperbolic misrepresentation. Cutter gives no specific reasons and he doesn't say what the "re-occurring issues" were. They could have been anything. What he does say is he doesn't want to get into the details and wants to keep it private.

Which of course completely flies in the face of your initial assertion that Cutter's camp gave a clear and specific explanation for why he demanded a trade (a broken promise) and that this was "basic information" and that anyone who didn't know this didn't have a "grasp of the facts."

You are both dishonest and wrong.

Incorrect.

That you're vigorously invested in this and not the reality that Cutter pointed at the overarching theme of mismanagement really says it all, too. The content of what he said proves you wrong, so you try and fail to shoot the messenger. Just like you've decided reporting based on inside sources is invalid now. The information is bad for the Flyers, so attack the messenger.

 

[Flyerfan4life]

He is fast, skilled, and fun as heck to watch. He gives the back end more mobility.

i think i see the problem ^^^

 

[Curufinwe]

If your argument depends on Fletcher and Flahr and Briere and Jonesy being incapable of mismanagement of a player, you need to find another argument.

 

[deadhead]

I agree, it's much better to stay on the endless cycle that the Flyers have been on for about 15 years with no chance whatsoever in that time frame to compete for the Cup then to have to wait the 6-8 years that tanking might take. Here is a clue. You're waiting, you've been waiting and you're going to continue to wait.

There there is the matter that you open with "not sure it's particularly difficult and the say "all strategies are difficult. What's difficult should not be the debate. The debate is what strategy provides the best odds.

The cycle the Flyers were in is the "patch and reload" strategy that GMs with little job security pursue, win now or someone else inherits your players. With the Flyers, the motivation was different, more the inability to recognize that team building had changed under a hard cap. Even Hextall, with a mandate from Snider to rebuild, couldn't tear it down and accept losing for 3-4 years.

The best strategy is a coherent one. Whether Briere can implement the current strategy successfully remains to be seen. But as long as he takes a long-run view, and keeps accumulating young assets, at worst the next GM will have a lot to work with.

The worst strategy is one that changes in response to the team's short-term success or failure.

 

[Flyer lurker]

Deslauriers should be bought out. The cap hit isn't a big deal, but you can't afford to carry a useless forward on the 23 man roster, especially if you have three goalies. His convenient injury can't last forever.

The Flyers would save $1m on the cap in 2025-26, and have a $500K penalty in 2026-27.

I for one did not see 44 contract ending poorly year 4.

Must be Hexy's fault.

 

[JojoTheWhale]

Match the opinions about Zamula up with a rolling average of Goals Against/xG and you will achieve The Enlightenment.