2024-25 Roster Thread #2: Midseasonnar

[BernieParent]

Keith Jones’ best friend I should note.

 

[mize370]

I love the fact that the Flyers are turning Michkov into a checker

 

[deadhead]

If the goalie trend continues, they will have the worst team SV% since at least 2008-09. Yet apparently it's hunky dory with Torts, Briere and co...

Wait, they should trade a 1st rd pick for a veteran goalie?
Or find the next Mzarek?

I thought the goal was to develop players while losing and getting a higher draft pick?
So far, they're doing a great job of this.

 

[FLYguy3911]

Phil Myers was about as physically gifted as you can get. The Flyers "developed" him so well that even Nashville (an org with an actual reputation for being good with Dmen) couldn't reverse engineer him.

*ahem*

 

[deadhead]

*ahem*

They're paying $20M for their top four the next three years,
Rielly (30), Tanev (35), OEL (33), McCabe (31).
Hananpaa 3RHD will be a UFA.
They need some cheap depth.

 

[Chicken N Raffls]

*ahem*

The dream is still alive! I miss that old unicorn meme with him and Sanheim

 

[Lord Defect]

Wait, they should trade a 1st rd pick for a veteran goalie?
Or find the next Mzarek?

I thought the goal was to develop players while losing and getting a higher draft pick?
So far, they're doing a great job of this.

They’re not developing the players though. they’re playjng regular hockey with an inferior team attempting to make the playoffs.

 

[Flyer lurker]

If the goalie trend continues, they will have the worst team SV% since at least 2008-09. Yet apparently it's hunky dory with Torts, Briere and co...

And unless you think it is harming the development and confidence of the d-men that is quite all right by me.

I don't want them overpaying for Hill in free agency. I don't want a trade/signing of Husso or a Lyon or a Vanacek to lock down the 13th pick.

I want a legit top 30 center in the league before I think about the goalie situation.

 

[freakydallas13]

Wait, they should trade a 1st rd pick for a veteran goalie?
Or find the next Mzarek?

I thought the goal was to develop players while losing and getting a higher draft pick?
So far, they're doing a great job of this.

They could improve the goaltending easily and cheaply, probably for the same price they paid for Eric Johnson.

Improvement isn't difficult when you are the worst in the league.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

 

[SolidSnakeUS]

Or they can eat half of the salary, get picks, let kids play and move on.

 

[Beef Invictus]

The rebuild is going fine, they're 2nd in xGF, 2nd in HDCF since the Brink line was put together.
The STs suck right now, but Drysdale is starting to look like a PP QB and they've played so well most of the last two years on the PK that I expect Shaw to fix it.

However, the goalies, the goalies. Goalies the past two decades of futility:
(GA - xGA)/60:

2024-25: Kolosov 15g +1.66, Fedotov 10g +0.57, Ersson 19g +0.54
2023-24: Ersson 51g +0.15, Hart 26g +0.04
2022-23: Hart 55g -0.09, Sandstrom 20g +0.76, Ersson 12g -0.15
2021-22: Hart 45g +0.26, Jones 35g +0.42
2020-21: Elliott 30g +0.86, Hart 27g +1.17
2019-20: Hart 43g -0.04, Elliott 31g +0.36
2018-19: Hart 31g +0.18, Elliott 26g +0.14, Stolarz 12g +0.56, Pickard 11g +1.57
2017-18: Elliott 43g +0.10, Neuvirth 22g +0.08, Mrazek 17g +0.73, Lyon 11g +0.06
2016-17: Mason 58g +0.24, Neuvirth 28g +0.61
2015-16: Mason 54g -0.09, Neuvirth 32g -0.34
2014-15: Mason 51g -0.41, Emery 31g +0.52
2013-14: Mason 61g +0.09, Emergy 28g +0.24
2012-13: Bryzgalov 40g +0.28
2011-12: Bryzgalov 59g +0.00, Bobrovsky 29g +0.09
2010-11: Bryzgalov 54g -0.19, Boucher 34g -0.10
2009-10: Boucher 33g +0.25, Emery 29g +0.08, Leighton 27g -0.19
2008-09: Biron 55g -0.03, Niittymaki 32g -0.03
2007-08: Brion 62g +0.08, Niittymaki 28g +0.40

Remember when you used to argue that wins are what matters? "Just Win Baby?"


4-6-0 in their last 10. Or were you wrong when you said that?

Every single year you are in here assuring us management and coaching are doing an incredible job. Every year you end up being proven dead wrong.

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

The rebuild is going fine!

 

[Beef Invictus]

Stolarz was a knee injury from being their backup.
Bob did fine, Holmgren panicked and gave Bryz that huge contract.
Mason, after a fine rookie season, regressed for 3 seasons in Columbus before being revived in Philly.

2000: Chekmanek #171
2001: Bruckler #150, Malek #158
2002: Grumet-Morris #161
2003: Trembley #140, Beauchemin #191, Hostikka #193
2004: Houle #232
2005: Duchesne #119
2006: Kovar #109, Dupont #175
2007: Phillips #182
2008: DeSerres #84, Eriksson #196
2009: Morrison #81, Riopel #142
2012: Stolarz #45
2013: Madsen #162
2015: Sandstrom #70, Malek #90, Fedotov #188
2016: Hart #48,
2017: Ustimenko #80
2018: Ersson #143
2019: Ross #169
2021: Kolosov #78
2023: Bjarnason #51, Zavragin #78


The rebuild is fine b/c they're not panicking and doing a "Holmgren."

I worry more about "cycling" than anything else, worrying about losing, trading for veterans, winning for a year or two, regress, start rebuilding, worry about losing, trading for veterans, rinse and repeat.

Also Homer didn't panic and give Bryz that contract. That was entirely Ed.

 

[Beef Invictus]

We shall be heading into Year 3 of the Michkov era without having done a single f***ing thing to build around him.

 

[DAVIDE1333]

"...and no one was traded".

 

[deadhead]

I don't think Briere will feel any urgency to dump a player b/c they're not headed to free agency.
And if he doesn't like what he's offered, Laughton and Risto will have less contract overhang in June.

So it comes down to what he gets offered, I think he wants a 2nd and maybe a 2026 pick for Laughton, ideally a 1st for Risto, but a 2nd and a legitimate prospect will work. Some teams will like Risto having two years left, long enough to be more than a rental, short enough not to be an albatross if things don't work out.

Since Briere already has (3) 1sts and (3) 2nds, I'm sure he'd take 2026 and 2027 picks if that would sweeten the pot.

I don't see Seeler getting moved until summer of 2026 when his NTC expires and Drysdale is mentored for another season. After that, if Andrae, Zamula and Bonk are ready, time to move on.

Hathaway doesn't have enough value in a trade, and there is no 4RW replacement until someone like Wisdom is ready.

 

[Lord Defect]

I don't think Briere will feel any urgency to dump a player b/c they're not headed to free agency.
And if he doesn't like what he's offered, Laughton and Risto will have less contract overhang in June.

So it comes down to what he gets offered, I think he wants a 2nd and maybe a 2026 pick for Laughton, ideally a 1st for Risto, but a 2nd and a legitimate prospect will work. Some teams will like Risto having two years left, long enough to be more than a rental, short enough not to be an albatross if things don't work out.

Since Briere already has (3) 1sts and (3) 2nds, I'm sure he'd take 2026 and 2027 picks if that would sweeten the pot.

I don't see Seeler getting moved until summer of 2026 when his NTC expires and Drysdale is mentored for another season. After that, if Andrae, Zamula and Bonk are ready, time to move on.

Hathaway doesn't have enough value in a trade, and there is no 4RW replacement until someone like Wisdom is ready.

The fourth line on a team that should have zero intention of making the playoffs due to rebuilding does not matter. At all. Use those spots to give kids a chance

 

[Magua]

Rejecting 1sts because you’re waiting for 2nds is a bold strategy. So is re-signing players 1 year early who don’t “have enough value in a trade.” It could work. Give it a decade.

 

[Redpath]

I don't think Briere will feel any urgency to dump a player b/c they're not headed to free agency.
And if he doesn't like what he's offered, Laughton and Risto will have less contract overhang in June.

So it comes down to what he gets offered, I think he wants a 2nd and maybe a 2026 pick for Laughton, ideally a 1st for Risto, but a 2nd and a legitimate prospect will work. Some teams will like Risto having two years left, long enough to be more than a rental, short enough not to be an albatross if things don't work out.

Since Briere already has (3) 1sts and (3) 2nds, I'm sure he'd take 2026 and 2027 picks if that would sweeten the pot.

I don't see Seeler getting moved until summer of 2026 when his NTC expires and Drysdale is mentored for another season. After that, if Andrae, Zamula and Bonk are ready, time to move on.

Hathaway doesn't have enough value in a trade, and there is no 4RW replacement until someone like Wisdom is ready.

Laughton is back to pacing around his career high PPG rate. It is Briere's job to turn that into an offer he likes, particularly if the package he wants is as realistic as the one you're outlining.

A good GM needs to have the killer instinct of maxing out value for his trade chips and the negotiation skills to coerce a sucker into paying/overpaying. I do not want to hear that he couldn't get an offer he didn't like; that means he is either asking for too much or he can't negotiate from a position of strength. Just for once I'd like to see a Flyers GM rip off another GM's face in a trade instead of hearing excuses about how difficult it is.

 

[deadhead]

Laughton is back to pacing around his career high PPG rate. It is Briere's job to turn that into an offer he likes, particularly if the package he wants is as realistic as the one you're outlining.

A good GM needs to have the killer instinct of maxing out value for his trade chips and the negotiation skills to coerce a sucker into paying/overpaying. I do not want to hear that he couldn't get an offer he didn't like; that means he is either asking for too much or he can't negotiate from a position of strength. Just for once I'd like to see a Flyers GM rip off another GM's face in a trade instead of hearing excuses about how difficult it is.

Briere doesn't have to take an offer he doesn't like in March, since he's likely to get as good or better offer in June.

 

[Redpath]

Briere doesn't have to take an offer he doesn't like in March, since he's likely to get as good or better offer in June.

But Briere's job is that he should be capable of garnering worthy offers for Laughton in March instead of having to postpone trading him. Good GMs find a way to get these things done. This is reminiscent of Fletcher's "I tried. 17 phone calls. Trades are hard."

The excuse last year was that he didn't get sufficient offers at the deadline. Then he didn't trade him in June, either. It is a frustrating pattern. Good GMs don't need to postpone these trades for years on end due to their inability to garner an offer they want. As I said, that's either an indictment of his asking price or an indictment of his negotiation acumen.

 

[GKJ]

Golden five month summers, yeah.

It's too funny seeing Head Authentic Chris Therien still going after Gauthier at the same time the Flyers have a bottom 5 PP and are benching their best PP player in Michkov. This is not a well run organization.

How long did that guy keep going after Val Camillo until he found out she had nothing to with him getting shitcanned by NBC?

 

[freakydallas13]

Can't sell deadline rentals when you resign every player

 

[WolfOfBroadStreet14]

Briere doesn't have to take an offer he doesn't like in March, since he's likely to get as good or better offer in June.

True but he may get an even better offer March 2026 than he would in June.