2024-25 Roster Thread #2: Midseasonnar

[mize370]

Going to be funny when the emperor throws in Fedotov who hasnt played inn a month and the authentics will say he sucks too. He need to go on a conditioning stint to play some before he is thrown to the wolves. Too bad too He has the best history at playing well then the other 2

 

[Beef Invictus]

There was a commercial on the other night for the flyers santa sacks. A guy gives a wrapped present to his girl and as she opens it, we get a pulp fiction briefcase-esque view of the back of the present, glowing gold in the woman’s beaming with surprise face. Only for the announcer(drawing a blank on his name) to call an enthusiastic goal by Seeler.
f***ing Seeler. They could have gone with Coots, TK, or even I don’t know their superstar in the making and common sense choice for the face of the franchise Michkov.
But no, they go with Seeler.
Is this a big deal? No not really.
Is this just another sign that the organization has its favored pet players. Yes.

They have been doing this since the Giroux era. Burying the actual fun, star players to emphasize the slop they idolize because they pretend the slop works harder and they also pretend that hard work alone is what wins Cups.

 

[Beef Invictus]

They are still player friendly, the players still have it golden here.

Aside from the ones who are treated like shit deliberately, I guess.

 

[ybnvs]

they pretend the slop works harder and they also pretend that hard work alone is what wins Cups.

[dh]AxChSuALLy[/dh], there is no pretending.

It's what they truly believe. Pathetic, right?

 

[flyersnorth]

So I've seen a lot of people talk about Cutter and the organization - and all of these re-litigated arguments, totally fair and timely. Not complaining. Just giving my 2c.

I truly don't know what happened between the two but I can assure you players who play for the Flyers are not treated badly in Voorhees/Philadelphia.

The facilities are great, the amenities are great, and for 90% of this teams history, it's been a family environment (lol) and players historically have wanted to play here AND stay here. There's a significant amount of alumni still maintaining residency in the area That's pretty damn unique and from my understanding, not always the case for some teams.

Sure, we can talk about a string of idiot/out of touch head coaches (pretty much since Berube/Lavy), and I have been as critical and out on the team as anyone....we've seen some the TERRIBLE roster management, decisions, hires, and signings the last 10 years...but I want to make sure people realize that the Flyers go above and beyond off the ice for their players. I've been to a couple of the facilities around the league and I promise you FTC is better or on par with everything I've seen.

Danny may have misread the situation or lacked communication - but if you think the Flyers wouldn't have made it up to Cutter somehow, you are absolutely dead wrong.

This remains a place where players want to stay: Tippett, TK, Sanheim all resigned under the chaos/Torts. Hell Scott Laughton - one of the best people we've ever seen in a Flyers jersey - will do anything to stay here.

I'm still team tear it down, I'm still team fire Torts, I'm still team Danny is pretty mid so far...but I know a couple guys who played for the Flyers, and are still active in the NHL or in other leagues, and they have ONLY positive things to say about the organization. Players will always complain about role, coach...but you very rarely hear anything bad about how they were treated by the team/fans.

Just my 2c.

Just saw a tweet from DeAngelo defending the organization last night. Thought that was interesting.

 

[Adtar02]

They have been doing this since the Giroux era. Burying the actual fun, star players to emphasize the slop they idolize because they pretend the slop works harder and they also pretend that hard work alone is what wins Cups.

It’s literally why they got rid or giroux they blamed him and said he was the reason the team was bad. Said it was his work ethic. Still think Clark didn’t want his records broken.

 

[Ghosts Beer]

It’s literally why they got rid or giroux they blamed him and said he was the reason the team was bad. Said it was his work ethic. Still think Clark didn’t want his records broken.

No, literally the reason they got rid of Giroux was because he was 34 years old, on a non-playoff team, and a UFA after the season, and they got a 1st rd pick plus Owen Tippett.

What were they supposed to do? Re-sign a 34 year old Giroux on a rebuilding team instead of trading him for a 1st and Tippett?

 

[Beef Invictus]

No, literally the reason they got rid of Giroux was because he was 34 years old, on a non-playoff team, and a UFA after the season, and they got a 1st rd pick plus Owen Tippett.

What were they supposed to do? Re-sign a 34 year old Giroux on a rebuilding team instead of trading him for a 1st and Tippett?

They weren't rebuilding. They were actively trying to contend, per their own words and actions. So yes, that is what they were supposed to do.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

They also could have traded him for a "1st and Tippett" and re-signed him during the offseason.

But instead they never even talked to him and signed Risto instead.

 

[deadhead]

Why would they resign Giroux? Wouldn't he be an expensive older veteran blocking a young prospect? As we've seen with Couts, expensive veterans are a problem.

Fletcher simply didn't want to confront Scott and tell him it was time to rebuild, trading G was the right move, but it should have been the start, not the end. Similar to Hextall trading Schenn then giving 30 year JVR a 5x7 contract which would be more like a 5x9 today with a rising cap.

 

[Lord Defect]

Why would they resign Giroux? Wouldn't he be an expensive older veteran blocking a young prospect? As we've seen with Couts, expensive veterans are a problem.

Fletcher simply didn't want to confront Scott and tell him it was time to rebuild, trading G was the right move, but it should have been the start, not the end. Similar to Hextall trading Schenn then giving 30 year JVR a 5x7 contract which would be more like a 5x9 today with a rising cap.

G wasn’t just a veteran player with experience, he was a home grown player that also happened to be the face of the franchise and is still capable of putting up 60 points a year. A playmaker with his hockey IQ ages very well.
The right move was to trade him then resign him. If I remember correctly he was rumored to take a discount to stay.
At the same time the rebuild should have been taking place. JVR shouldn’t have been let go for nothing.

Daily face off has G playing 3RW, how much better would this team be playing him there?

 

[renberg]

They also could have traded him for a "1st and Tippett" and re-signed him during the offseason.

But instead they never even talked to him and signed Risto instead.

Trading G to Florida was no sin. It gave Giroux a shot at the SC and the return was fine.
The grievous mistake was not signing him back in the off season. We don't know if Giroux would have entertained returning since there seemed to be some bad blood between Fletcher and him over his treatment in the trade. Flyers fans miss G but I don't know if he misses the Flyers.
However the organization became so weak at center following the trade that it needed to try to bring back CG. It has not recovered from that mistake. Giroux working with Frost, MM and eventually Luchanko would have been a great thing for the younger guys. Then again Giroux and Tortorella would have been interesting.

 

[deadhead]

JVR at best would have garnered a 4th, CF just wouldn't budge, the fiasco was his stubbornness, not the dramatic fall in JVR's value.

Torts would get along fine with G, but G is a wing these days, he wouldn't solve the center problem.

To be fair with Couts, like Ellis, more bad luck than anything else, if he didn't have the back issues, his contract would be fine and he'd be a perfect mentor for young wings while they developed centers. But he's now a shadow of his prime self, but that wasn't inevitable, see Kopitar. A slow decline was more likely.

 

[usahockey22flyers]

Just saw a tweet from DeAngelo defending the organization last night. Thought that was interesting.

I think this is what I'm hinting at - yes, all orgs are "good" because it's a billion dollar business, but some are better than others in going over and above.

I personally believe the Flyers are one of the better ones from what I gather.

 

[Lord Defect]

JVR at best would have garnered a 4th, CF just wouldn't budge, the fiasco was his stubbornness, not the dramatic fall in JVR's value.

Torts would get along fine with G, but G is a wing these days, he wouldn't solve the center problem.

To be fair with Couts, like Ellis, more bad luck than anything else, if he didn't have the back issues, his contract would be fine and he'd be a perfect mentor for young wings while they developed centers. But he's now a shadow of his prime self, but that wasn't inevitable, see Kopitar. A slow decline was more likely.

A fourth is better than a nothing. Getting zero return on what’s essentially a free asset transaction is a must.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Why would they resign Giroux? Wouldn't he be an expensive older veteran blocking a young prospect? As we've seen with Couts, expensive veterans are a problem.

Fletcher simply didn't want to confront Scott and tell him it was time to rebuild, trading G was the right move, but it should have been the start, not the end. Similar to Hextall trading Schenn then giving 30 year JVR a 5x7 contract which would be more like a 5x9 today with a rising cap.

Fletcher didn't tell him that for two reasons.

1) Scott didn't care and wasn't setting the team's direction, the guy he hired to be GM and President was. And don't bother with the mythical "make the team good" mandate because every GM ever hired in every sport has that mandate.

2) they were not rebuilding and did not think it time to do so. They still do not think that. At no point have they ever actually thought that. Their actions confirm this.

 

[deadhead]

Scott was listening to Barber (his chief advisor) and was adamant that they weren't rebuilding. He said so repeatedly.

It took Torts to say the "Emperor has no clothes" to force Comcast to finally get rid of Roberts' buddy and put someone who had a rudimentary knowledge of hockey in charge.

 

[Curufinwe]

Trading G to Florida was no sin. It gave Giroux a shot at the SC and the return was fine.
The grievous mistake was not signing him back in the off season. We don't know if Giroux would have entertained returning since there seemed to be some bad blood between Fletcher and him over his treatment in the trade.

I don't see why. Giroux only wanted to go to Florida and then he went to Florida and the flyers got a 1st and a good young player back. Then he went home to Ottawa.

 

[mize370]

Enough arguing. I have the final solution to all our problems.
Resign Emperor Torts and all his merry men.
Resign every current player on the roster until the 31-32 season.
Keep running the 3 goalies.
And every year just keep running this same ole song and dance.

I mean it must change sometime no? lol
Rocky Thompson is the future!!!

(kill me)

 

[Flyerfan4life]

Enough arguing. I have the final solution to all our problems.
Resign Emperor Torts and all his merry men.
Resign every current player on the roster until the 31-32 season.
Keep running the 3 goalies.
And every year just keep running this same ole song and dance.

I mean it must change sometime no? lol
Rocky Thompson is the future!!!

(kill me)

umm that last 50 years say thats exactly what they always have been doing

 

[BackToTheBrierePatch]

G wasn’t just a veteran player with experience, he was a home grown player that also happened to be the face of the franchise and is still capable of putting up 60 points a year. A playmaker with his hockey IQ ages very well.
The right move was to trade him then resign him. If I remember correctly he was rumored to take a discount to stay.
At the same time the rebuild should have been taking place. JVR shouldn’t have been let go for nothing.

Daily face off has G playing 3RW, how much better would this team be playing him there?

I think it went beyond Fletcher not wanting him back. There were others who didn’t want him back. Namely Bob Clarke. He wanted to have his franchise point record and didn’t want it broken.
This organization will never be able to move forward so long as people like him still have influence. Hell it was Clarke who pushed for Torts because he wanted a asshole behind the bench.,

Trading G to Florida was no sin. It gave Giroux a shot at the SC and the return was fine.
The grievous mistake was not signing him back in the off season. We don't know if Giroux would have entertained returning since there seemed to be some bad blood between Fletcher and him over his treatment in the trade. Flyers fans miss G but I don't know if he misses the Flyers.
However the organization became so weak at center following the trade that it needed to try to bring back CG. It has not recovered from that mistake. Giroux working with Frost, MM and eventually Luchanko would have been a great thing for the younger guys. Then again Giroux and Tortorella would have been interesting.

Torts hates players that take the spotlight away from him and Giroux would of definitely done that.

 

[JojoTheWhale]

It took Torts to say the "Emperor has no clothes" to force Comcast to finally get rid of Roberts' buddy and put someone who had a rudimentary knowledge of hockey in charge.

We're well into BDSM territory. There's fanfic and enjoyed punishment.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Scott was listening to Barber (his chief advisor) and was adamant that they weren't rebuilding. He said so repeatedly.

It took Torts to say the "Emperor has no clothes" to force Comcast to finally get rid of Roberts' buddy and put someone who had a rudimentary knowledge of hockey in charge.

None of that happened. Nothing has changed. It's all the same people. Comcast is as detached as ever, the same people continue to run free.

 

[ybnvs]

I think it went beyond Fletcher not wanting him back. There were others who didn’t want him back. Namely Bob Clarke. He wanted to have his franchise point record and didn’t want it broken.
This organization will never be able to move forward so long as people like him still have influence. Hell it was Clarke who pushed for Torts because he wanted a asshole behind the bench.,

I have absolutely no issue in admitting I firmly believe this was factored into the decision-making.

The most narcissistic personality in the NHL with a firm grip on an NHL club would absolutely pull a stunt like that.

And this particular fanbase pathetically grovels over Clarke yet in 2024, soon 2025, for some reason.

 

[Ghosts Beer]

I think it went beyond Fletcher not wanting him back. There were others who didn’t want him back. Namely Bob Clarke. He wanted to have his franchise point record and didn’t want it broken.
This organization will never be able to move forward so long as people like him still have influence. Hell it was Clarke who pushed for Torts because he wanted a asshole behind the bench.,


Torts hates players that take the spotlight away from him and Giroux would have definitely done that.

Oh, you’re claiming trading a 34 year-old Giroux on the last month of his contract for Owen Tippett & a 1st rd pick isn’t “moving forward”?

Great point.