2024-25 Roster Thread #2: Midseasonnar

[Adtar02]

We have one, maybe two (depending on the aging curve of Couts) parts of the center question solved, if one they would wake up and accept that. Frost is currently a rare (for the Flyers) case of a player actually living up to draft hopes, and their response is to hate him for it. It's wild.

It’s revisionist history. People forget and expect a player to be better. He’s been very good and exceeded what was expected defensively he is light years a head of what we thought. Yes he’s not a 1 c. He’s and 2-3c which is exactly where he should be. Having av shame Patrick into playing after a concussion is what set the organization back. Yes that’s what happened in fact after he seemed better av refused to take him to the bubble because he thought he was soft and not just being a whimp. Also didn’t help the franchise said it was migraines instead of realizing their life long problems with understand concussion systems.

 

[Beef Invictus]

It’s revisionist history. People forget and expect a player to be better. He’s been very good and exceeded what was expected defensively he is light years a head of what we thought. Yes he’s not a 1 c. He’s and 2-3c which is exactly where he should be. Having av shame Patrick into playing after a concussion is what set the organization back. Yes that’s what happened in fact after he seemed better av refused to take him to the bubble because he thought he was soft and not just being a whimp. Also didn’t help the franchise said it was migraines instead of realizing their life long problems with understand concussion systems.

Right! 2-3C was best case! We've done it! Celebrate by running him out of town!

It's Ghost all over again.

 

[BernieParent]

He's at least been decent since returning. Seeler on the other hand has been garbo this year. Shocker. Who could have guessed a career 7th dman was not a good option to sign a 4 year deal with

 

[Beef Invictus]

The Deep Lore

Edit: My favorite part of that video, because it's proven to be so eternally relevant, is "You fit a role we have not had in some time. You can play on the 3rd or 4th line"

 

[Chicken N Raffls]

The Deep Lore

Edit: My favorite part of that video, because it's proven to be so eternally relevant, is "You fit a role we have not had in some time. You can play on the 3rd or 4th line"

The irony can literally blow your mind. Don't look too close.

 

[Flyerfan4life]

The Deep Lore

Edit: My favorite part of that video, because it's proven to be so eternally relevant, is "You fit a role we have not had in some time. You can play on the 3rd or 4th line"

#sameasiteverwas..

hilarous how that video still fits as much today as back then...

 

[ellja3]

Big ass gritty team!! Grrrr!! Broad Street Bullies!!! Character!!!

 

[Lord Defect]

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Big ass gritty team!! Grrrr!! Broad Street Bullies!!! Character!!!

Poor Utah is there fighting to make a name for themselves

 

[MacDonald4MVP]

Poor Utah is there fighting to make a name for themselves

I expect oilers to have a crazy penalty differential even more compounded by their pp%. Basically polar opposite of what we are used to from flyers

 

[ellja3]

I expect oilers to have a crazy penalty differential even more compounded by their pp%. Basically polar opposite of what we are used to from flyers

Not really, 23rd in penalty differential:

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Edit: PHI is top7 in both penalties taken and drawn per 60

 

[deadhead]

So annoying read people post dumb stuff.

Frost was drafted the same draft as Patrick. Who was supposed to slowly take over for coots as 1c. And frost was supposed to to be a skilled 3c who could grow into a 2c role as he matured in the league as coots slowed down. Frost is already better than his original expectations but he needs smart players with him. Complaining about center points in a torts system screams you don’t know what you are talking about.

If he's a smart playmaking center, he should make his wings better, not depend on his wings to make him better. He's played with top six wings for most of the last two years. His wings outscore him.

Frost was a late 1st rd pick, TK grossly exceeded expectations, Frost to a small extent, he's better than Laughton or Poehling, but he's still a 3C on a playoff team. Which is nice depth, but nothing to get excited about.

Jett will be better than Frost in a year or two.
They still need another top six center.
If they can package Frost with other assets to nail one under 25, I'd do it in a heartbeat.

 

[Beef Invictus]

If he's a smart playmaking center, he should make his wings better, not depend on his wings to make him better. He's played with top six wings for most of the last two years. His wings outscore him.

Frost was a late 1st rd pick, TK grossly exceeded expectations, Frost to a small extent, he's better than Laughton or Poehling, but he's still a 3C on a playoff team. Which is nice depth, but nothing to get excited about.

Jett will be better than Frost in a year or two.
They still need another top six center.
If they can package Frost with other assets to nail one under 25, I'd do it in a heartbeat.

He's routinely been the best player on his line and you insist he's the one being carried? Your agenda is showing.

 

[ponder719]

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Big ass gritty team!! Grrrr!! Broad Street Bullies!!! Character!!!

Slackers. Schultzie would have had 295 PIM by himself at this point in the season.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

Just a reminder that WE are the ones that overrate prospects.

 

[deadhead]

Frost isn't a prospect. He's a proven NHL player, but what he's proven to be is a 3C.

 

[freakydallas13]

Frost isn't a prospect. He's a proven NHL player, but what he's proven to be is a 3C.

Not Cates though, he's already a center every team in the NHL would love in their middle six.

 

[deadhead]

Not Cates though, he's already a center every team in the NHL would love in their middle six.

He's a bottom six center, they're going to see if he can handle 3C.
He still got a lot of value as a depth player who can matchup defensively, play your PK, play LW nad at worst be your 4C.

Frost is worth keeping if he'll sign an extension at 3C money, but you don't pay him like a top six forward.

 

[freakydallas13]

He's a bottom six center, they're going to see if he can handle 3C.
He still got a lot of value as a depth player who can matchup defensively, play your PK, play LW nad at worst be your 4C.

Frost is worth keeping if he'll sign an extension at 3C money, but you don't pay him like a top six forward.

Cates is 26 in a few months, his time for development past what he is now is not quite zero, but close to it. I feel confident in saying it's unlikely he ever becomes more than a good 4th line center, and it's clear he's a good defender who puts up mediocre to bad offensive numbers.