2024-25 Roster Thread #2: Midseasonnar

[Illini Flyer]

This is Hextall's 2016-17 team after two drafts:

G (29), Voracek (27), Simmonds (28), Couts (24), Schenn (25), Filppula (32), TK (19), Read (30), Raffl (28) PEB (31), Weise (28), Cousins (23), VdV (29)
Provorov (20), AMac (30), Ghost (23), MDZ (26), Gudas (26), Manning (26)
Mason (28), Neuvirth (28)

top prospects: Laughton (22), Myers (20), Rubtsov (18), Sanheim (20), Morin (21), Hagg (21), Weal (22), Stolarz (23), Hart (18), Lindblom (20), Lyon (24)

That team ended up with 88 points, GF/GA goalie adjusted: 212/208.
They weren't good enough to compete, and only 6 starters 25 and under.

So Hextall trades Schenn for two 1st rd picks, trades Cousins for a 5th, lets MDZ walk, replaces Mason with Elliott.
Patrick, Weal, Laughton, Hagg, start the next season.
Team ended up with 98 points, GF/GA goalie adjusted: 249/225.

So he signs JVR.
Next season, 82 points, GF/GA goalie adjusted: 241/254.

 

[Magua]

This is:
-beyond the top 50 scope you set (but not by TOO much)
-several regimes ago
-several years older than your earliest example

But they also took Goulbourne right before Bjorkstrand in 2013

Good thing Holmgren has absolutely nothing to do with Briere.

We know Fletcher + Flahr were big fit pick believers too. They blew up their board to select a goalie before Kaprizov because they needed a goalie, even with Kaprizov "by far and away the highest skater on [their] list." Funniest possible outcome would’ve been him getting scooped before their 5th rounder.

If the Flyers were god tier at making amateur evaluations, they’d still have rancid drafting philosophies. Fortunately, they suck at both while admiring their own genius. So, they can continue to focus on the important stuff: pathetically soiling their pants at Team Canada not valuing their little angels.

 

[FLYguy3911]

If you throw enough numbers in your post, the content doesn't matter.

Are you seeing how much better the 200 ft game is in group 2 though?

Actually I didn't because Team Canada didn't use them properly.

 

[trostol]

I think I've lost track of the argument lol

 

[DancingPanther]

I think I've lost track of the argument lol

I can't see it, so I can't help

 

[DancingPanther]

Personally, I’m not quite convinced. But I think a lineup with every affiliated prospect that has yet to be eaten by a hippopotamus penciled into a 2028 roster might push me over the edge.

Desnoyers should be getting the call soon. I remember when he was written in sharpie for the 2nd line. That was before ignore list introduction

 

[deadhead]

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What Briere is doing isn't what Hextall did.

Hextall had a team that was in between rebuilding and competing, and he basically sat on his hands and didn't move to blow it up or try to win now. His team lacked a core of young talent, and its best players were at the end of their peak years.

Fletcher took Hextall's team and by making win now moves squeezed out one good season, and if COVID doesn't happen, maybe a second. But the window was already closing.

Briere inherited a young team and made it younger, accumulated draft picks like Hextall, but has done it over three drafts (2023-2025) where Hextall split up his picks, 2014-2015, then 2017-2018.

So instead of 6 starters 25 and under, they have 11. As they age out, there are (5) 1st rd picks behind them.