2024-25 Roster Thread #1: The Beginninging

[blackjackmulligan]

Bob Clarke completely failed to build depth around those skill players because he insisted on having grinders, rather than maximizing skill. Bizarre for anyone to claim or imply otherwise.


Seriously, nobody remembers prior to 2024? We had a thing called the Lindros Era, wherein Clarke totally failed to build around the guy.

failing to build around him doesn't equate to him preferring grinders over skilled players. Which by his transactions show that is false. What is bizarre is you can't acknowledge your statement was wrong.

Who are all these grinders he acquired compared to the skill players he availed. There is a huge gap in favor of skill.

The Flyers once got mad at Frost for scoring too much and insisted that he needs to be more defensive, so clearly they think part of defense involves trading away offense.




It is absolutely factual that he deliberately aimed for grinders to fill out rosters and didn't try for more skill. This has never been a man who accepted that you can score with lines 3 and 4.

it is factual he acquired more skill players than grinders. To say otherwise is boggling to me. It is all pout there to validate. Done with this topic.

 

[deadhead]

I know you keep saying this, and I know Jojo has provided evidence to refute this to you, but that's just not what the data says. Players that tend to take steps forward offensively do it at an expense of their defensive impact.

That needs a deeper dive than raw stats.

I suspect it reflects that top scoring lines are given more leeway to take chances, as long as the increase in goals scored outweigh the goals leaked due to being more aggressive.

But that doesn't mean they're playing worse defensively in terms of fundamentals, just that they're taking more risks. You don't want 2nd tier guys taking the same risks, so their raw defensive stats will look better.

 

[Beef Invictus]

failing to build around him doesn't equate to him preferring grinders over skilled players. Which by his transactions show that is false. What is bizarre is you can't acknowledge your statement was wrong.

Who are all these grinders he acquired compared to the skill players he availed. There is a huge gap in favor of skill.


it is factual he acquired more skill players than grinders. To say otherwise is boggling to me. It is all pout there to validate. Done with this topic.

Failing to build around him because he ceased to hunt for skill if it wasn't the Top 6 has everything to do with it. The Flyers still do it. That philosophy is more alive than ever, coming after Snider died and Clarke's influence increased. A telling sequence of events.

 

[freakydallas13]

That needs a deeper dive than raw stats.

Does it really? Whatever happened to "facts is facts"?

 

[Beef Invictus]

It doesn't.

 

[VladDrag]

Pretty intriguing interview from Torts today. Talked about the center position for the first 4-5mins. When he has interactions like this, I don't mind him. I still don't agree with him, but he is clear in his messaging.

-Doesn't think the center position generates enough offense
-Still thinks Cates can be an offensive center
-Stated they are drafting centers because there is a weakness at the NHL level
-Says he cannot go thru the same process with Frost as the last two years, not fair to him.

 

[thedjpd]

Pretty intriguing interview from Torts today. Talked about the center position for the first 4-5mins. When he has interactions like this, I don't mind him. I still don't agree with him, but he is clear in his messaging.

-Doesn't think the center position generates enough offense
-Still thinks Cates can be an offensive center
-Stated they are drafting centers because there is a weakness at the NHL level
-Says he cannot go thru the same process with Frost as the last two years, not fair to him.

I read this as Frost needs to just flat produce. No more excuses. We can claim fancy stats all we want, but at the end there has to be production. It is technically 3 years in a row now he has 'started slow.' If he wants to continue to be in the NHL, you can't disappear for 1/2 of the season.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Pretty intriguing interview from Torts today. Talked about the center position for the first 4-5mins. When he has interactions like this, I don't mind him. I still don't agree with him, but he is clear in his messaging.

Let's see.

-Doesn't think the center position generates enough offense

True

-Still thinks Cates can be an offensive center

Oh. And this is why the above is happening. They have no idea what they're doing.

-Stated they are drafting centers because there is a weakness at the NHL level

Bad process, since almost everything is a weakness at the NHL level

-Says he cannot go thru the same process with Frost as the last two years, not fair to him.

And yet he is!



At least he's honest about why they're awful, I guess