blackjackmulligan
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2024-25 Roster Thread #1: The Beginninging
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VladDrag
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I was listening to a recap of the game from Charlie O, where he said the Flyers were getting chances, but they just were not converting. While I didn't agree, I couldn't come up with a straight forward way to review offense specific TOI or numbers to refuse that. Then I thought I could use NST and Edge data to figure out TOI in offensive zone... With that number, I could develop rate data using offensive-zone TOI. I also use the assumption that shots taken from outside of the offensive zone would not significantly impact the dataset...One could scrub that out, but I don't have the means or the time to do it....Anyways, here are some interesting notes.
- The Flyers are 23rd in total offensive zone time, and 26th in offensive zone time per game (at ES),
- The Flyers are 27th in total shot attempts (corsi) per 60 mins of offensive zone time (at ES),
- The Flyers are 31st in expected goals per 60 mins of offensive zone time (at ES)
- The Flyers are 28th in HDCF per 60 mins of offensive zone time (at ES),
- The Flyers are 30th in goals score per 60 mins of offensive zone time (at ES).
Basically, the Flyers are not spending lots of time in the offensive zone, and when they are in the offensive zone, they are not generating much. This analysis did some highlight some cool trends tho.. For example, the Sharks and the Ducks (and lesser extent Montreal) are not spending lots of time in the OZ, but they are getting some quality chances once they get into the zone.
- The Flyers are 23rd in total offensive zone time, and 26th in offensive zone time per game (at ES),
- The Flyers are 27th in total shot attempts (corsi) per 60 mins of offensive zone time (at ES),
- The Flyers are 31st in expected goals per 60 mins of offensive zone time (at ES)
- The Flyers are 28th in HDCF per 60 mins of offensive zone time (at ES),
- The Flyers are 30th in goals score per 60 mins of offensive zone time (at ES).
Basically, the Flyers are not spending lots of time in the offensive zone, and when they are in the offensive zone, they are not generating much. This analysis did some highlight some cool trends tho.. For example, the Sharks and the Ducks (and lesser extent Montreal) are not spending lots of time in the OZ, but they are getting some quality chances once they get into the zone.
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Question is being in or near the bottom of every offensive category in the league a good thing or a bad thing?
deadhead
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Given it's the same coach as last season, the problem is probably the players starting the season in a funk. We're talking SSS, come back in January.
They may just need a few games against teams that don't have a physical forecheck to break out of this pattern.
They may just need a few games against teams that don't have a physical forecheck to break out of this pattern.
Beef Invictus
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VladDrag
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I don’t really know, I’d agree that the players haven’t played very well tho. But I also don’t like the choices that the coaching staff makes, either. The post wasn't really about assigning blame. It was more an evaluation of how they have performed in when the puck is in the offensive zone to date. Also agree things can, and probably will, change by the end of the year.
deadhead
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I mean we know it's not a good team, but most of the players have track records that say they can play much better, and it's not like there's a new scheme.
So I see it as one of those stretches team go through every season, this one just encompasses the start of the season.
I mean Frost may be overrated around here but he's not a zero goal scorer either.
I think putting Tippett - Frost - TK back is probably the right move, they played well together last season. Just throw them out there and tell them to stop thinking and skate.
LegionOfDoom91
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Not that I think/thought it was sustainable long term but Walker did ultimately play like top ten defensemen overall in the league last year on both sides of the puck too.
Now that’s not me saying they should have brought him back or anything. But that was one key element (goaltending was another that’s continuing into this year as well) you’ve had have trouble replicating since then.
I don’t think Walker himself would have replicated it but again it’s something you had going for you that was really good for you & now it’s gone. Drysdale is one of the replacements & he’s pretty much on the opposite end of that spectrum.
Now that’s not me saying they should have brought him back or anything. But that was one key element (goaltending was another that’s continuing into this year as well) you’ve had have trouble replicating since then.
I don’t think Walker himself would have replicated it but again it’s something you had going for you that was really good for you & now it’s gone. Drysdale is one of the replacements & he’s pretty much on the opposite end of that spectrum.
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Really good if you want a top five pick in the draft
deadhead
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Cody Webster
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TLY asked in the comments if they are typically allowed to watch players recovering from injury practice and Jordan said yes, so it wouldn't make sense if it was York
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Taijuan Fedotov
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I would be interested in knowing when was the last time Ellis was at a team facility.
Striiker
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Jordan, it’s your job to try to find this information and share it, not just say “something is happening but I don’t know what”.
Why is all media so useless and stupid?
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ponder719
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Danny finally realize that the only reinforcements for the C position are in the front office, and he's closed the doors to avoid embarrassing them as they get back into game shape?
