2024-25 Roster Thread #1: The Beginninging

[Hollywood Cannon]

There's someone in that front office right now explaining that trying to skirt the edges of the rules is against the way of the samurai. It is honorable to throw shit at the wall and hope your way to success.

OH GOD IS THIS WHY THEY TALK ABOUT NOT TANKING? I want everyone in that front office who owns a katana fired.

Any guesses on potential katana owners?

 

[Beef Invictus]

Can I place a bet somewhere that Drysdale won't be qualified in 2026?

Yes. There is a fake-money sportsbook on the site. I have never started an event on it and I don't think I can?


@MiamiScreamingEagles you are a bookie! Could you make this bet for us?

 

[BiggE]

Flyers brain trust hard at work

 

[BackToTheBrierePatch]

Well if it’s 9 games playing 8 minutes on the 4th line then it’s wasting everyone’s time.

 

[renberg]

I just think he was being honest, probably would have said the same about Risto had someone asked him after his first TC. They knew when they traded for Drysdale it would take a year or two for Shaw to teach him the fundamentals he should have learned in Anaheim (talk about bad player development).

That's one of the things I like about Torts, none of these "cliche filled interviews."
I suspect the players like it to, though it probably takes a little time to get comfortable for a new player - but if you want to know where you stand, just ask him.

Good example is Ginning, we've all seen him struggle this month, Torts was straight forward, Andrae had a good camp, Ginning has not had a good camp. No mealy mouthed platitudes, no telling the fans what they saw was a mirage.

Nope. Sorry DH. The guy is an insufferable jerk. He lays his hat on winning the SC twenty some years ago with a team that, almost to a man, despises him for his antics. His coaching career is decorated with almost as many missed POs (10) as made them (12). With the talent of the teams that he has had that not saying much.
Now if Jon Cooper had said that Drysdale needs to learn how to play the game with his resume (ten PO appearances in 12 seasons and two SCs) I would give it some credence. Heck if Craig Berube had said that (five PO appearances in seven seasons and a SC win), it might bear attention. But Tortorella? The genius doesn't have the goods.

Can I place a bet somewhere that Drysdale won't be qualified in 2026?

And be picked up by Zito and the Panthers where he will become an integral part of their defense.

 

[Curufinwe]

I hope CW adds future seasons to its GM mode soon. I'd like to easily see what a 25-26 team without Angelo and Petersen taking up space. And 26-27 which will also lose Hayes and Atkinson.

 

[deadhead]

Nope. Sorry DH. The guy is an insufferable jerk. He lays his hat on winning the SC twenty some years ago with a team that, almost to a man, despises him for his antics. His coaching career is decorated with almost as many missed POs (10) as made them (12). With the talent of the teams that he has had that not saying much.
Now if Jon Cooper had said that Drysdale needs to learn how to play the game with his resume (ten PO appearances in 12 seasons and two SCs) I would give it some credence. Heck if Craig Berube had said that (five PO appearances in seven seasons and a SC win), it might bear attention. But Tortorella? The genius doesn't have the goods.


And be picked up by Zito and the Panthers where he will become an integral part of their defense.

Cooper is a good coach, but talk about the right place at the right time . . . and TB cheats as much as Belichick. He inherited a team with Stamkos, Hedman and Kucherov. With Bishop in goal in 2014. They also had drafted Vasilevsky, Drouin, Palat and Point before he became HC. [TDA in the 1st rd in the 2014 draft, Point in the 4th, genius or luck?]

CBJ didn't win before Torts (2 PO appearances in 15 years), and they haven't won since Torts.
TB didn't win before Torts (1 PO appearance in 10 years) and only made the POs once in the five years after he left.

 

[blackjackmulligan]

Huh.

Gauither had to be traded, the alternative was to force him to play in college for two more years before he could go UFA just to screw him.

And like Fox, once the league knows you're backed into the corner, you're not going to get full value.

Could easily have waited until the draft.

 

[Flyerfan4life]

Or to really stick to honour and tradition.

omg i wanted to post this exact gif

 

[blackjackmulligan]

I just think he was being honest, probably would have said the same about Risto had someone asked him after his first TC. They knew when they traded for Drysdale it would take a year or two for Shaw to teach him the fundamentals he should have learned in Anaheim (talk about bad player development).

That's one of the things I like about Torts, none of these "cliche filled interviews."
I suspect the players like it to, though it probably takes a little time to get comfortable for a new player - but if you want to know where you stand, just ask him.

Good example is Ginning, we've all seen him struggle this month, Torts was straight forward, Andrae had a good camp, Ginning has not had a good camp. No mealy mouthed platitudes, no telling the fans what they saw was a mirage.

So funny saying the Ducks have bad player development while defending the Flyers.

Also call BS just like they didnt know Tony D was not good on D.

 

[JojoTheWhale]

Any guesses on potential katana owners?

The PP coach that ripped his shirt off and tried to fight a player doesn't own a katana. But he does have a wakizashi and gets offended when people mistake it for one.

 

[blackjackmulligan]

Cooper is a good coach, but talk about the right place at the right time . . . and TB cheats as much as Belichick. He inherited a team with Stamkos, Hedman and Kucherov. With Bishop in goal in 2014. They also had drafted Vasilevsky, Drouin, Palat and Point before he became HC. [TDA in the 1st rd in the 2014 draft, Point in the 4th, genius or luck?]

CBJ didn't win before Torts (2 PO appearances in 15 years), and they haven't won since Torts.
TB didn't win before Torts (1 PO appearance in 10 years) and only made the POs once in the five years after he left.

Why was no team other than the Flyers interested in his coaching services do you think? Any thoughts on that?

 

[trostol]

Who is our version of Kashigi Yabushige that will eventually get beheaded after they get told everything that is gonna happen?

 

[Beef Invictus]

Cooper is a good coach, but talk about the right place at the right time . . . and TB cheats as much as Belichick. He inherited a team with Stamkos, Hedman and Kucherov. With Bishop in goal in 2014. They also had drafted Vasilevsky, Drouin, Palat and Point before he became HC. [TDA in the 1st rd in the 2014 draft, Point in the 4th, genius or luck?]

CBJ didn't win before Torts (2 PO appearances in 15 years), and they haven't won since Torts.
TB didn't win before Torts (1 PO appearance in 10 years) and only made the POs once in the five years after he left.

Meanwhile, the Rangers immediately went to the Finals once he was gone and no longer holding back offense, and the Conference Finals after, and did so with a terrible coach. In his one year with Vancouver, they missed the playoffs for the first time in 5 years and made it back the second he was gone.

 

[Flyerfan4life]

Meanwhile, the Rangers immediately went to the Finals once he was gone and no longer holding back offense, and the Conference Finals after, and did so with a terrible coach. In his one year with Vancouver, they missed the playoffs for the first time in 5 years and made it back the second he was gone.

doesnt count becuz reasons..

 

[JojoTheWhale]

If cheating is just salary cap shortcuts, go out and cheat. Write some fat checks to every corner case you can muster. They don’t even punish this stuff. You want to be a big time franchise again? There’s one route.

It’s not even the Patriots that did the underhanded stuff. Guessing the password of your ex-employee who now works for the Astros and using it to get unfettered access to their email server, now that’s over the line. But the dopey stuff the NHL does? Sign me the heck up.

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

Cooper got the Tampa Bay job because he was their AHL coach the years before that & had a lot of success. He was coaching guys like Palat, Johnson, etc. in the minors before him & they ultimately got promoted to the NHL with Tampa.

It’s not like he just jumped into a spot after being somewhere else. He was there in their system at the minor league level cutting his teeth while their next wave of impact players were too.

 

[deadhead]

Meanwhile, the Rangers immediately went to the Finals once he was gone and no longer holding back offense, and the Conference Finals after, and did so with a terrible coach. In his one year with Vancouver, they missed the playoffs for the first time in 5 years and made it back the second he was gone.

Unfortunately, the facts contradict your story:
ES scoring
2009-10: 2.38 (19) PP 6.82 (12)
2010-11: 2.41 (18) PP 5.88 (19) 1st rd
2011-12: 2.49 (10) PP 5.69 (23) CF
2013: 2.40 (15) PP 5.54 (33) 2nd rd

2013-14: 2.25 (19) PP 6.48 (15) SC Final
2014-15: 2.86 (2) PP 5.91 (21) CF
2015-16: 2.68 (3) PP 6.71 (20) 1st rd
2016-17: 2.81 (5) PP 7.11 (12) 2nd rd

So the more AV opened up the offense, the worse the Rangers became.
When they sent to the SC Final, Rangers average 1.92 goals per game ES,
What got them there was Lundqvist and his .927 SV%

Cooper got the Tampa Bay job because he was their AHL coach the years before that & had a lot of success. He was coaching guys like Palat, Johnson, etc. in the minors before him & they ultimately got promoted to the NHL with Tampa.

It’s not like he just jumped into a spot after being somewhere else. He was there in their system at the minor league level cutting his teeth while their next wave of impact players were too.

Same with Sullivan in Pittsburgh.
Still "right place at the right time."

 

[Beef Invictus]

Unfortunately, the facts contradict your story:
ES scoring
2009-10: 2.38 (19) PP 6.82 (12)
2010-11: 2.41 (18) PP 5.88 (19) 1st rd
2011-12: 2.49 (10) PP 5.69 (23) CF
2013: 2.40 (15) PP 5.54 (33) 2nd rd

2013-14: 2.25 (19) PP 6.48 (15) SC Final
2014-15: 2.86 (2) PP 5.91 (21) CF
2015-16: 2.68 (3) PP 6.71 (20) 1st rd
2016-17: 2.81 (5) PP 7.11 (12) 2nd rd

So the more AV opened up the offense, the worse the Rangers became.
When they sent to the SC Final, Rangers average 1.92 goals per game ES,
What got them there was Lundqvist and his .927 SV%


Same with Sullivan in Pittsburgh.
Still "right place at the right time."

You don't see the drastic improvement to PP there? Followed by higher scoring? And better results than Tortorella got? By the way, Tortorella also had access to Lundqvist.

You can't just say "there is a contradiction" when there isn't one

 

[freakydallas13]

Imagine the deal Briere had lined up 6 months before Cutter was traded! Before the WJC inflated his stock.

Meanwhile, the Rangers immediately went to the Finals once he was gone and no longer holding back offense, and the Conference Finals after, and did so with a terrible coach. In his one year with Vancouver, they missed the playoffs for the first time in 5 years and made it back the second he was gone.

It has been established that Torts coaching in Vancouver doesn't count for some reason.

That cup he won 20 years ago though? Best respect.

 

[CerpinTaxt]

Yeah, I mean, just look at the Jets in the same situation where everyone in the league (and the public sphere) knew Rutger McGroarty wasn't going to sign. They got totally raked over the coals by getting *checks notes* a comparable prospect who was 1 year younger.

I wonder how many phone calls Cheveldayoff had to make before accepting that meager deal.

At least 17. Required to trade at least one player.

Flyers brain trust hard at work
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Mimssssyyy!!

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

Flyers had their premium ticket holder meet the team event tonight at Top Golf.

My notes:

Poehling sat at a table with two chicks the entire night spitting game seemingly. Or it looked like him at least (that’s a yacht joke).

Michkov was smiling the entire time. Seemed very happy to be here and enjoying the moment. I took a page out of Cap’s favorite, Emily Kaplan’s book, and told him “spasibo” after taking a picture with him and getting an autograph. He did a double take and let out a big smile from it. I didn’t see him come back down to the first floor after he was done there like all the other players did but he was stopping for every person so it makes sense.

York and Drysdale, I don’t think left the players area the whole night and just golfed the whole time.

Deslauriers was talking it up with everyone and seemed like a good dude. That’s never been the issue with him. Must have gotten ten beers through the night.

Konecny and Sanheim posted up and had the people come to them.

Keith Jones was wandering around. Thankfully I didn’t see Hilferty.

Roast my form. Like I’ve said over the years, I’m no George Clooney.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Is it easy to golf when gritty is doing that

 

[Hextallent63]

Any guesses on potential katana owners?

A buddy of mine has one but I don't think he'd let anybody use it and it's autographed.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

A buddy of mine has one but I don't think he'd let anybody use it and it's autographed.

Randy Jackson?