2024-25 Roster…too soon?

[CallMeShaft]

He was a candidate as much as anyone on waivers at any point. I read The Athletic article too and like I said, it was a narrative in Blackhawks media and fans that he was likely to be claimed. I just don't get it. You look around the league and every team has a guy like Phillips. I could see, later in the year, if he's put on waivers and another team has injuries, you could lose him. He's a depth piece. Like when the Hawks picked up Megna and Tinordi in previous years. But I don't think you're claiming Phillips bc of some perceived untapped upside, which to me, is why you'd put in a claim just before the season starts with a healthy group.

I don't think it's accurate to say every team has an Isaak Phillips. Not to say he's this rare gem, but again, he's young and has size GMs covet. Other teams might have that same type of player, but 3 years older. Or that type of player, but one that is able to still be sent down and potentially improve. He's not a top 4 guy, likely never will be, but he does hold some value.

A lot of reasons to think he could've been picked up. There were also a lot of reasons to think he wouldn't, mainly that he hasn't shown enough in his limited time up here.

Either way, it wouldn't have hurt any of us too bad if he was picked up (outside of Courtney, who would go on a rampage of some sort), but I think we'd all rather he stayed put and not lose an asset, even a low valued one, for nothing.

 

[kmwtrucks]

IP just turned 23 last week 6-3 205 and can skate. It feels like you never know when or If a D is going to really put it all together. Every team likes d with some size that can skate. for every D that we feel like they are ready to make a jump only a few do most don't. im happy we have him for 1 more year of development.

 

[WarriorofTime]

He was a candidate as much as anyone on waivers at any point. I read The Athletic article too and like I said, it was a narrative in Blackhawks media and fans that he was likely to be claimed. I just don't get it. You look around the league and every team has a guy like Phillips. I could see, later in the year, if he's put on waivers and another team has injuries, you could lose him. He's a depth piece. Like when the Hawks picked up Megna and Tinordi in previous years. But I don't think you're claiming Phillips bc of some perceived untapped upside, which to me, is why you'd put in a claim just before the season starts with a healthy group.

Not quite sure the narrative you're suggesting actually existed. All I see is one guy basically regurgitating what Richardson also said, which may have originated with Davidson, and the rest of your post is basically saying the logic behind putting him on Waivers at the end of Training Camp rather than waiting a bit for Kaiser to come back and there's more reason he could get claimed.

It's just one of those at the margin asset management things, it's nice he made it through and has likely another year in the Hawks org to see if there's any medium to long future with the team there.

 

[Hawkaholic]

I don't see anything with Phillips that screams NHL player. Maybe he can be a 6/7 at some point, but nothing to worry about losing.

 

[authentic]

So does Bedard score 50 this year? How has he looked in preseason I wonder

 

[Larmer83]

Luke and Kyle don't want to lose players but that's not what I meant. The narrative within the Blackhawks media/twitterverse was that Phillips was highly likely to be claimed if put on waivers and I don't get why anyone would have thought that. He's just an organizational depth piece. He doesn't look like an everyday NHL player.

My original post of the tweet was more focused on the 30 days to assign Phillips to Rockford.

 

[CallMeShaft]

So does Bedard score 50 this year? How has he looked in preseason I wonder

Not amazing. His playmaking has been on display more than anything.

But his only goal last year in the preseason was an empty netter. And he's historically been a slow starter, so it's not totally unexpected that he's been unimpressive so far.

 

[authentic]

Not amazing. His playmaking has been on display more than anything.

But his only goal last year in the preseason was an empty netter. And he's historically been a slow starter, so it's not totally unexpected that he's been unimpressive so far.

Yeah I just wanna see him start torching goalies with that crazy shot of his

 

[Kevin Musto]

capwages.com

holy cow this is a carbon copy of capfriendly lol

 

[WarriorofTime]

 

[x Tame Impala]

He was a candidate to be picked up. Young, big, has done well in the A. Plus it's hard to judge a young player on this team; a more structured and overall better team might've had more success with him.

There was actually an article a couple of days ago from The Athletic listing the 10 best players on waivers, and Isaak's name did show up there, so it's not just us fans who thought he might've been picked up.

How often are waiver pickups anything of consequence though? Phillips tops out as a Slater Koekkoek type of guy. If you're counting on a player like that for anything significant then you've got bigger issues than losing them to waivers.

 

[Kevin Musto]

PP2 still doesn't make sense

Dickinson should be there since he can actually score goals

 

[BHawk21]

PP2 still doesn't make sense

Dickinson should be there since he can actually score goals

Shutdown center, PK1, and PP2 would be a big chore for a pretty mediocre player.

 

[Kevin Musto]

Shutdown center, PK1, and PP2 would be a big chore for a pretty mediocre player.

Once again, cutting Nazar was f***ing stupid

 

[x Tame Impala]

Once again, cutting Nazar was f***ing stupid

It's not about whether Nazar should be in the lineup over any given player. It's about whether or not he's NHL ready, which he isn't. KD and LuRich made it clear that these kids are going to have to prove they belong in the NHL and that they won't be given a spot.

I'd love to be watching Nazar over Anderson, Smith, Maroon, AA, and Reichel too. Nothing wrong with getting a full year in the AHL. Change your poopy diaper man, don't want to spend a whole season seeing you cry about this.

 

[CallMeShaft]

How often are waiver pickups anything of consequence though? Phillips tops out as a Slater Koekkoek type of guy. If you're counting on a player like that for anything significant then you've got bigger issues than losing them to waivers.

He likely ends up as a Koekoek, Oesterle, Kostka level defender. I'm not counting on him for anything.

But that's not a certainty and I'd rather keep him and his potential, however limited it is and unlikely he is to achieve it, over losing him for nothing and having his spot in Rockford go to a guy with less of a chance of ever being anything.

 

[GIADF]

Once again, cutting Nazar was f***ing stupid

Nazar looked awful against NHL competition this preseason. Nothing wrong with letting him build his game and confidence in the AHL for a few weeks, months, or whatever it ends up being. He'll be back up at some point this year.

 

[TheFridge]

Nazar looked awful against NHL competition this preseason. Nothing wrong with letting him build his game and confidence in the AHL for a few weeks, months, or whatever it ends up being. He'll be back up at some point this year.

Awful is way too far. He didn't look ready though.

 

[TheFridge]

Shutdown center, PK1, and PP2 would be a big chore for a pretty mediocre player.

Dickinson played a touch under 12 minutes in the first game and somehow wasn't even used on the PK at all. He averaged 16:34 last year with 2:01 on the PK and 0;46 of PP time.

He absolutely should be playing more and at this point in their careers, he would be a better PP option than Donato or Smith.

If I were Richardson, I'd sub out Maroon in place of Reichel and go with:

Foligno - Bedard - Teravainen
Hall - Kurashev - Bertuzzi
Reichel - Dickinson - Mikheyev
Smith - Donato - Anderson

PP 1

Hall - Bertuzzi - Teravainen
Bedard - Vlasic

PP 2

Reichel - Foligno - Dickinson
Kurashev - Jones

 

[statswatcher]

Dickinson played a touch under 12 minutes in the first game and somehow wasn't even used on the PK at all. He averaged 16:34 last year with 2:01 on the PK and 0;46 of PP time.

He absolutely should be playing more and at this point in their careers, he would be a better PP option than Donato or Smith.

If I were Richardson, I'd sub out Maroon in place of Reichel and go with:

Foligno - Bedard - Teravainen
Hall - Kurashev - Bertuzzi
Reichel - Dickinson - Mikheyev
Smith - Donato - Anderson

PP 1

Hall - Bertuzzi - Teravainen
Bedard - Vlasic

PP 2

Reichel - Foligno - Dickinson
Kurashev - Jones

don't understand why you're subbing out maroon instead of smith. i would also prefer kurashev on pp1.

 

[statswatcher]

it really is a breath of fresh air to actually be able to form opinions about roster composition again. last season the personell you had to choose from always made me say 'why bother'.

 

[GIADF]

Awful is way too far. He didn't look ready though.

Awful, over matched, not ready, phrase it however you want. Him being in the AHL is the right call, and I’m not worried about him becoming a good to great NHLer at all.

 

[TheFridge]

don't understand why you're subbing out maroon instead of smith. i would also prefer kurashev on pp1.

Does it really matter? It's like arguing over which turd looks better. I figure Smith can at least skate a bit and pressure on the forecheck but I'm indifferent to who actually comes out.

I honestly like Kurashev on the second unit. I'd like to see TT and Bedard develop some chemistry that allows Bedard to be the trigger man more often. I like Kurashev as a trigger option for the second unit.

 

[statswatcher]

Does it really matter? It's like arguing over which turd looks better.

that's fair.

I honestly like Kurashev on the second unit. I'd like to see TT and Bedard develop some chemistry that allows Bedard to be the trigger man more often. I like Kurashev as a trigger option for the second unit.

my thought is kurashev was good with bedard. he's also shown chemistry with hall, so i'd want him on a powerplay line with one of those guys.

 

[RememberTheRoar]

Dickinson played a touch under 12 minutes in the first game and somehow wasn't even used on the PK at all. He averaged 16:34 last year with 2:01 on the PK and 0;46 of PP time.

He absolutely should be playing more and at this point in their careers, he would be a better PP option than Donato or Smith.

If I were Richardson, I'd sub out Maroon in place of Reichel and go with:

Foligno - Bedard - Teravainen
Hall - Kurashev - Bertuzzi
Reichel - Dickinson - Mikheyev
Smith - Donato - Anderson

PP 1

Hall - Bertuzzi - Teravainen
Bedard - Vlasic

PP 2

Reichel - Foligno - Dickinson
Kurashev - Jones

Reichel is softer than Angel Soft Strome though. That’s clearly not a fit on this team, and definitely not on the third line