Speculation: 2024-25 Playoffs Thread - series, opponents, players and team discussion

[IceManCat]

Any forward who is playing on PP and not on PK is likely to be a minus with abnormal amount of on-ice empty-net goals against and poor on-ice goaltending. + - is not a good proxy for overall 5-on-5 play

+ / - is relative to the rest of the team. The Panthers are one of the best defensive teams in the NHL ....


To your second point about ice time delegation, that ***might*** skew his +/- to a small extent. In this case he is -19 while playing top 6 minutes in general. Zero excuse about delegation there..

 

[IceManCat]

blud got his extension and said im retiring

Thank god our depth scoring is better than last year. I wont bad mouth CV too much for what hes done but man what a "down" year for him, but hes shooting less than half of what he was the previous years.
Reinharts 57 goals was an aberration but hes still at 35 which is dang good.
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Yeah I guess the shooting percentage will average out at some point, I'm more shocked about the -19 part.

 

[Felidae]

Has anyone noticed Barkov's PPG has gone down every year since 2021-22? 1.31, 1.15, 1.10 and now this year, 1.05.

This is also the first time in his entire career that he's recorded more giveaways than takeaways (32/47)

Also a -1, which hasn't happened since the team was good.


Bit disappointing after his hot start to the season. Ah well, make up for it with a dominant playoff run.

 

[FinlandPanther]

Has anyone noticed Barkov's PPG has gone down every year since 2021-22? 1.31, 1.15, 1.10 and now this year, 1.05.

This is also the first time in his entire career that he's recorded more giveaways than takeaways (32/47)

Also a -1, which hasn't happened since the team was good.


Bit disappointing after his hot start to the season. Ah well, make up for it with a dominant playoff run.

I mean everyone is essentially having a down year. Think they’re just tired tbh. They’re obviously conserving energy.

 

[ScottyMascotty]

+ / - is relative to the rest of the team. The Panthers are one of the best defensive teams in the NHL ....


To your second point about ice time delegation, that ***might*** skew his +/- to a small extent. In this case he is -19 while playing top 6 minutes in general. Zero excuse about delegation there..

He is at "0" 5-on-5 with nearly 56% xG.

 

[ScottyMascotty]

Has anyone noticed Barkov's PPG has gone down every year since 2021-22? 1.31, 1.15, 1.10 and now this year, 1.05.

Transition from Q/Brunnette system to Maurice system + league overall decline in scoring

This is also the first time in his entire career that he's recorded more giveaways than takeaways (32/47)

This doesn't say much without any context.

Also a -1, which hasn't happened since the team was good.

3-17 with own empty net.

Barkov is completely fine.

 

[IceManCat]

He is at "0" 5-on-5 with nearly 56% xG.

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Not understanding several things. So I see that he’s on the ice often when the net is empty and therefore this brings his +\- down but would that be the case for most/all goal scoring players?

Second, I don’t see where is a “0” at 5 on 5 play.

Third, what is 56% xG referring to?

 

[PanthersHockey1]

The lightning are looking like the Harlem globetrotters again

 

[Ghoste]

The lightning are looking like the Harlem globetrotters again

Yeah they’re going to be tough. I know they score a ton but I think a huge difference was bringing back McDonagh. I was happy when they traded him away and you could tell they just weren’t the same. But when they got him back I was like uh oh.

 

[KW]

The lightning are looking like the Harlem globetrotters again

It’s 3-0 who cares

 

[Felidae]

Transition from Q/Brunnette system to Maurice system + league overall decline in scoring

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This doesn't say much without any context.



3-17 with own empty net.

Barkov is completely fine.

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Even taking into account scoring environment, his PPG ranking has gone down every season. Even outside of the 2021-22 season playing under Brunette.

2024-25 28th in PPG
2023-24 23rd in PPG
2022-23 18th in PPG
2021-22 10th in PPG

Im not worried about him per se, it's a pretty miniscule drop after all (at least after 2021), but it is a pattern nonetheless.

Also i'm not sure what more additional context would be needed for the giveaway/takeaway stat. He's not playing under a different system, deployed differently, or any of that. Even then, he's consistently had a positive takeaway/giveaway ratio throughout his career regardless of context. Again, I just thought it was interesting since it's a first in his career.

 

[KW]

Even taking into account scoring environment, his PPG ranking has gone down every season. Even outside of the 2021-22 season playing under Brunette.

2024-25 28th in PPG
2023-24 23rd in PPG
2022-23 18th in PPG
2021-22 10th in PPG

Im not worried about him per se, it's a pretty miniscule drop after all (at least after 2021), but it is a pattern nonetheless.

Also i'm not sure what more additional context would be needed for the giveaway/takeaway stat. He's not playing under a different system, deployed differently, or any of that. Even then, he's consistently had a positive takeaway/giveaway ratio throughout his career regardless of context. Again, I just thought it was interesting since it's a first in his career.

If you take into account minutes played per game, Barkov is averaging the following points per minute played:

2024-25: 0.051
2023-24: 0.056
2022-23: 0.054
2021-22: 0.064

2021-22 was best point production wise but this year he sure seems to be saving it for the playoffs and there are other scorers on the team and he had a slow start to the season point production wise.

Not sure there’s anything in the stats to worry about.

 

[sinDer]

He is at "0" 5-on-5 with nearly 56% xG.

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Where do you see that he’s at 0?

I agree that +/- is not always relevent.

But something is clearly wrong when you are -20 on a winning team and when the second worst player in that department after you is a -9…

 

[FrolikFan67]

Screw that! If he doesn’t want to give effort then bring in Devine as a Black Ace and see what Devine has, then we ship Mr. Lazy ass away in the summer.

Pretty sure he’s got a NMC on his new deal

 

[Gentle Man]

I know for damn sure I ain’t seeing Barkov talk in this thread without even a slightest mention of Tkachuk who’s been on a down trend since year 1 both regular season and playoffs (so far)


Meanwhile, this is Verhaeghe’s actual first poor season with us

 

[Felidae]

I know for damn sure I ain’t seeing Barkov talk in this thread without even a slightest mention of Tkachuk who’s been on a down trend since year 1 both regular season and playoffs (so far)


Meanwhile, this is Verhaeghe’s actual first poor season with us

Expecting Tkachuk to repeat 2022 was always going to lead to disappointment. Id say the last 2 seasons is what should be expected going forward.

I mean, he's still very much above a PPG when he only had 1 season like that in Calgary

 

[Dread Clawz]

Swaggy has had a ton of chances, they just aren't going in.

 

[Last Rat Standing]

At this point, just get in and best case, split the first two in the first round. I feel that A3 or WC1 is what we're looking at. Barring a hot streak to finish and total collapse by either Toronto or Tampa

 

[Idiot Stick]

I know for damn sure I ain’t seeing Barkov talk in this thread without even a slightest mention of Tkachuk who’s been on a down trend since year 1 both regular season and playoffs (so far)


Meanwhile, this is Verhaeghe’s actual first poor season with us

With his sternum injury it was expected, he got back to form last year around january until he got double crunched vs carolina later and kinda never got back to it