Blue Jays Discussion: 2024-25 Off-season: The free agent watch begins (and sometimes old baseball radio broadcasts)

[TheMadHatTrick]

These are the most dangerous people to try and rationalize with. They will make excuses no matter what. There is quite a few here.

Word.

 

[shaner8989]

Rebuild. Simple. No other scenario makes any sense

 

[phillipmike]

 

[Cloned]

Jays probably do get Santader, if only because no other team is seriously mentioned recently.

Maybe they sign Alonso and Pivetta too.

That probably makes them a 85ish win team?

Atkins turns a perennial contending roster into a mediocre Frankenstein team.

 

[trellaine201]

I’m more Sick and tired of these shitty Jays insiders. They never know squat. Scared to ask tough questions during press conferences.

Most reporters are hacks. There sales people with a communication degree.

 

[Woodman19]

Jays probably do get Santader, if only because no other team is seriously mentioned recently.

Maybe they sign Alonso and Pivetta too.

That probably makes them a 85ish win team?

Atkins turns a perennial contending roster into a mediocre Frankenstein team.

All for a pretty penny. Dodgers payroll with not Dodgers talent.

 

[Dr.Funk]

 

[DuklaNation]

Feels like Sasaki's decision to go to Dodgers was determined quite some time ago while his agent went through the motions of an actual decision here. MLB has a problem.

The Straw trade is a mistake that requires termination. You don't make that trade unless you're 99% sure Sasaki signs. Coincidentally, Sasaki announces shortly after as his agent decided the charade had gone far enough. Cleveland, Shatkins previous stop, gets to dump salary . . . again. Only losers here are the Jays. Rogers needs to step in ASAP and fire Shapiro and Atkins because it can get worse.

 

[smitty10]

Feels like Sasaki's decision to go to Dodgers was determined quite some time ago while his agent went through the motions of an actual decision here. MLB has a problem.

The Straw trade is a mistake that requires termination. You don't make that trade unless you're 99% sure Sasaki signs. Coincidentally, Sasaki announces shortly after as his agent decided the charade had gone far enough. Cleveland, Shatkins previous stop, gets to dump salary . . . again. Only losers here are the Jays. Rogers needs to step in ASAP and fire Shapiro and Atkins because it can get worse.

Dude. People would have been rioting if they didn't do everything in their power to try and attract him here. The Straw trade was the right move. It sucks that we were led on and that it appears he was always going to the Dodgers, but this was the correct move for once.

 

[dredeye]

ownership said in the off season that they didn't need to fire anyone in the front office because the fans didn't really seem upset. They are telling us it's on us. Stop going to games and boo if you do go. I won't even take a free ticket.

 

[DuklaNation]

Dude. People would have been rioting if they didn't do everything in their power to try and attract him here. The Straw trade was the right move. It sucks that we were led on and that it appears he was always going to the Dodgers, but this was the correct move for once.

I wasn't born yesterday, Jays are being taken for a ride(s). Other teams, agents, players are using them to facilitate signing elsewhere. In this case, the facade of not having a pre-arranged deal with Dodgers.

 

[mikeyz]

There is no way Shatkins survives this is there? They would need to sign all 3 of Bregman, Alonso and Santander to even have any hope of saving themselves

I agree 100%

 

[stats1]

Dude. People would have been rioting if they didn't do everything in their power to try and attract him here. The Straw trade was the right move. It sucks that we were led on and that it appears he was always going to the Dodgers, but this was the correct move for once.

The Straw trade was not the right move at all…. You don’t take on that much money for a minor league player without a guarantee that Sasaki was coming. It’s a fireable decision by Atkins. We’ve taken on over 100 million dollars on the payroll for basically Gimenez….. and we still haven’t signed Vladdy. This front office should’ve been fired years ago. We have a 200+ million payroll on a 80-84 win roster. And the payroll will continue to rise because Atkins has been a disaster at developing our farm

 

[GoonieFace]

Nobody knows squat about what Sasaki’s intentions were all along. You guys read this crap and eat it up. Fact is, you have no clue.

The Sasaki and Soto fiascos are not the problem. Seemingly having no plan with regards to Vladdy and Bo is the problem.

Making a stupid trade for Straw is a problem.

It’s clear Atkins needs to go somewhere else, not sure why he is still here. Maybe Roger’s don’t care either.

 

[Cloned]

We can probably guess what happened though.

Sasaki told them he was going to sign with LA. Atkins felt the panic because of all the other bridesmaid finishes and said hold on, we can offer you more money. Sasaki says OK, we can consider it. Atkins makes the trade out of desperation. Sasaki chooses LA in the end anyways.

I’d be shocked if this wasn’t what happened (or something similar).

 

[hockeywiz542]

 

[Cloned]

So when they actually had a good GM in AA, his payroll was limited and it was like pulling teeth to open the purse strings a bit.

Now apparently Rogers is willing to spend 700M on one player and have a 220M payroll with an absolute idiot in charge.

You can’t make this stuff up.

 

[Puckstuff]

Feels like Sasaki's decision to go to Dodgers was determined quite some time ago while his agent went through the motions of an actual decision here. MLB has a problem.

The Straw trade is a mistake that requires termination. You don't make that trade unless you're 99% sure Sasaki signs. Coincidentally, Sasaki announces shortly after as his agent decided the charade had gone far enough. Cleveland, Shatkins previous stop, gets to dump salary . . . again. Only losers here are the Jays. Rogers needs to step in ASAP and fire Shapiro and Atkins because it can get worse.

Exactly. That $14 million for Straw counts against the CBT as well.

Unless the Jays are 1st in payroll, I don't want to hear that money isn't an issue. We could have gotten a useful player with that.

 

[Budz]

Dude. People would have been rioting if they didn't do everything in their power to try and attract him here. The Straw trade was the right move. It sucks that we were led on and that it appears he was always going to the Dodgers, but this was the correct move for once.

Wrong.

 

[stats1]

Atkins is going to have to get the payroll closer to 300 million if he wants any chance at doing something meaningful this year. Re-sign Vladdy, Santander, Alonso, Bregman. I just want to say though.. imagine AA with a 220-240 million payroll. I guarantee we have a WS title already. Atkins hasn’t won a single playoff game

 

[Kurtz]

Exactly. That $14 million for Straw counts against the CBT as well.

Unless the Jays are 1st in payroll, I don't want to hear that money isn't an issue. We could have gotten a useful player with that.

Could have kept Romano.

 

[mikeyz]

The same joke the other guy made….twice as funny second time.

Doesn’t change my opinion of the off-season that that they didn’t sign Sasaki. Woulda been a coup and a real franchise changer. But they didn’t, so move along.

The off-season still isn’t complete.

Well, if multiple people are telling you this, then a lightbulb should go off in your head. Lol.

Yes, the off-season isn’t complete. You’re right. But the mountain that Shatkins has to climb to get any sort of trust and respectability back with the fans is monumental. It’s like someone else already said on here. IMO, to get that respectability back, they need to sign at least 2 of Santander/Bregman/Alonso. But, most likely all 3 and maybe another SP (preferably Flaherty) and another high leverage reliever.

 

[shortfuze]

These are the most dangerous people to try and rationalize with. They will make excuses no matter what. There is quite a few here.

The issue is the simple minded folk that gang up on others. Some are ok though.

 

[Killer Orcas]

I don't mind the Straw trade if they think there's a 99 % chance that Sasaki is coming but obviously the risk was bigger then they thought. I think Atkins should hold a press conference to explain to the fans what went wrong.

The problem is he could have lined up the the trade contingent of Sasaki committing and didn't. He's an idiot plain an simple. Dodgers traded for more dollars after Sasaki committed what was Atkins thinking?

 

[shortfuze]

You'd be surprised. But you're probably not going to hear much from them right now.

No. We just hear from the whiners.