Blue Jays Discussion: 2024-25 Off-season: The free agent watch begins (and sometimes old baseball radio broadcasts)

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Yeah, it's completely over for Shatkins. The Myles Straw trade is going to be the dagger that ends them. Shatkins apologists literally have no defense for them anymore after this trade and are admitting defeat. Their main talking point I've seen has been: "The worst part about this trade is the Shatkins haters won."

The extra international bonus money they're left with, they won't be able to use in a meaningful way given what's left of this IFA class. So the value of the trade in a vacuum can't even be used as a talking point here (which is something Shatkins apologists usually love resorting to).

But the main aspect of why this is such an undeniable dagger, is the fact that Shatkins literally made a desperation trade to try one last time to change Sasaki's mind away from the Dodgers, and fell flat on their faces in front of the entire baseball world.

This is a front office that tries to present themselves as extremely process driven, and their apologists usually gobble that rhetoric up, maintaining unwavering faith in their process like cult members. But a desperation trade is literally anti-process in nature. So now not only is the epic failure fueling the hate of the majority of the fanbase, the Shatkins apologist minority are becoming disillusioned that Shatkins actually abandoned their beloved process.

If Ed Rogers doesn't act soon and get rid of these fools, he is going to allow Shatkins to completely evaporate the 2015 rejuvenation of the fanbase. He may not care about beating the allegations that he lowkey doesn't care about winning, but pretty soon it's going to start to affect the Jays' bottom line again, and we know he cares about that. Plus Shatkins got him to put $400M into renovating a stadium that's going to lose butts in seats because of their mismanagement of the ball club.
 
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What i laugh at is how inept the jays front office is. They take on the shit contract of straw for 2 mil in international money for nothing. Then right after getting the player agrees to go to them the dodger get 1.5 in international money for a minor league player.
 
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Wow. Even BNS is calling out Shatkins now. That's when you know it’s bad. Lol.
 
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Out of curiosity, I saw somebody mention it in the other thread. I also understand the athletics are a wild card when it comes to trades. But what would a normal package for a player like Rooker cost?
Rooker is not available. The A's and Marlins are wildcards because they have to take on salary for revenue sharing which makes them candidates for a trade like the Straw deal (only with prospects instead of Ifa space).
 
Is 2 million in IFA money worth taking on Straw? And is there any decent international players left to sign?
The Jays had somewhere between 5-6M in commitments already for IFA and will get all those players (Christopher Polanco is the top rated).

With LA losing their top targets, this means Toronto spends more on the lower level signings (unless there is someone outside the top 2 on LA or Cleveland's list that Toronto can sign).

If Cleveland legitimately only had about 4M committed, then there's a chance you're paying the same kids more.
 
Like I said before, ifa space can be good. Acquiring small chunks to get intriguing prospects is good (this is how we got Kirk). Acquiring larger chunks for big prospects is good (Vlad). Acquiring large chunks and having the entire top 50 committed is less good. Then again, maybe they get a few 250k-500k guys they otherwise couldn't.
 
You really should move to Egypt my friend. Because no offense, but you're living in denial.


This might be the most accurate photo of the 21st century. LMFAO
The same joke the other guy made….twice as funny second time.

Doesn’t change my opinion of the off-season that that they didn’t sign Sasaki. Woulda been a coup and a real franchise changer. But they didn’t, so move along.

The off-season still isn’t complete.
 

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