PanniniClaus
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Out of it by July... was a great time to be a fan
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Blue Jays Discussion: 2024-25 Off-season: The free agent watch begins (and sometimes old baseball radio broadcasts)
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Mikey71
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He is pretty much at 30m for this year. 30 x a 15 year deal and that gets him to the 450 million it is rumored he is looking for. Play around with the term a bit or time the signing bonus part to place him in a better tax situation, and there is no reason why a deal can't get done. Give him an opt out later on so he can play with whoever he has always wanted to play with.
We should find out if either he or the Jays never really wanted to extend him.
We should find out if either he or the Jays never really wanted to extend him.
GoonieFace
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Atkins is a wizard, this deal was 10 years at $28.5 mil total, you all owe him an apology
Suntouchable13
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saska sault
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1. Arbitration . Next year free agency.
aingefan
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I could see him being interested, why not?
Reports are he wants to headline a rotation, wouldn’t be a problem here, gets to headline a country’s rotation. It’s still a great city. Not a crazy pressure cooker market.
I don’t think the jays are in the top tier of IFA bonus pools, but not far off.
This guys probably the actual best FA available this off-season.
Would be a major coup.
Quickly trade Bo for IFA pool money, a comp pick and a prospect.
LaP
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So he's gone at the end of the year.
Canada4Gold
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Silly Atkins. Why didn't you just do this? Vladdy would be game for this I'm sure. Or just blackmail him or something. I laugh at how some people can be this oblivious.
Kurtz
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But did Ash make poor moves for that championship roster, or did the team simply get too old especially after the strike? Guys like Carter and Molitor were ancient. I was a kid back then and didn't follow baseball but I remember that that was the talk in the town - the team was too old.
But yea off course Gillick is on his own level given the results. GIllick>AA>Ash>Riccardi>Atkins?
The fact that they avoided arbitration with Vlad seems like a good thing - no needless acrimony and bad feelings like with his past arbitration.
Wry n Ginger
Water which is too pure has no fish
28.5 wouldn't cover Vlads 10 year cheetos budget let alone his salary
cyris
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Who let the team get that old?
Ash traded Olerud to make room for Carter at 1B, Ash let Alomar walk in FA.
He had a winning core with a 25 y old Ed Sprague and a 22 year old Carlos Delgado ready to come in and fill spots.
I’m not saying he had it super easy. The Jays definitely had some issues that were hard to deal with and owners that didn’t want to spend as much as the previous championship teams did. But I believe Gillick or AA would have found a way to have more success with that group than he did.
As to your list the ranking the GMs in order I mostly agree. Gillick and AA are 1 and 2 with a significant gap between them and a significant gap after them. Ash is definitely ahead of Richardi but I find it really hard to place this group.
They have made the playoffs more than any previous GM but have done it during an expanded playoffs Ash or Richardi didn’t have the benefit of. They also haven’t won a single game in the playoffs despite having ownership willing to spend which the 2 other bottom tier GMs didn’t always have.
phillipmike
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Mitchell has got close to 0 right these last 3-4 years in terms of breaking news. You can put your life savings on the Jays not getting him.
GoonieFace
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Does DraftKings accept bets of 0.14 cents?
trellaine201
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Who said 15 years for Vlady? Lmao, your nuts.
cyris
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That’s kinda the cost of doing business on this kinda signing
Suntouchable13
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It's a joke what's happening here. If they don't believe in Vladdy, why didn't they trade him? If you're not going to pay him, you're not gonna pay anybody. This is scary where this is headed. Rogers is operating this team like a small market team. That's why they hired these clowns from Cleveland to begin with.
Dr Pepper
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Was it Shapiro who gave that glorious soundbyte a season ago about Vladdy not being generational? Or something along those lines, just to knock him down a peg?
If this team lets him walk for nothing there is going to be an absolute volcano of angry fans, pissed off at how poorly this team's been run. Losing the brightest star would just be the nail in the coffin, I think.
Discoverer
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2025 ZiPS Projections: Toronto Blue Jays
2025 ZiPS projections for the Jays, which I suspect everyone here will disagree with because they peg the Jays as a pretty good team (low to mid-80s win total based primarily on really liking Gimenez, a bounceback from Bo and Kirk, and a not-historically-bad bullpen). It also underscores the very obvious holes they need to fill (OF/DH, a high-end reliever, and at least a back-end starter) if they want to contend this year.
2025 ZiPS projections for the Jays, which I suspect everyone here will disagree with because they peg the Jays as a pretty good team (low to mid-80s win total based primarily on really liking Gimenez, a bounceback from Bo and Kirk, and a not-historically-bad bullpen). It also underscores the very obvious holes they need to fill (OF/DH, a high-end reliever, and at least a back-end starter) if they want to contend this year.
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Hellcat
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Maybe they were waiting to get him locked into a contract, so the other team knows what they are paying? or maybe Atkins is a shitshow of GM and is just flying by the seat of his pants.
Who pegs the Jays as a pretty good team?
aingefan
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Those aren’t outlandish projections at all, thanks for posting.
Pretty harsh on JoLo, but roughly around what you’d expect overall. A lineup of mostly average-ish bats. Good pitching.
I’m still liking the AAA offense more than the ML one. Much more interesting stuff there, despite the ‘bare cupboards’ narrative out there. I’m still seeing about 6 guys who project to be ML starters or at least strong side platoon guys.
Hellcat
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Jesus I sure hope not. Varsho with his speed should be a slap hitter and hit for contact. His speed reminds me so much of the great leadoff hitters that have speed but low power number but high OBP and AVG. but he is not using the god given tools that he has the right way. He needs to level out his swing, shorten his swing and go as far back in the box as he can. Someone got in his head and told him he is a power hitter, you can see it since he came to Toronto, his launch angle has increased and his AVG has decreased. His best years were with ARZ.
