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Blue Jays Discussion: 2024-25 Off-season: The free agent watch begins (and sometimes old baseball radio broadcasts)

Hellcat said:
"Grow from with in" - most condescending statement by a Blue Jay GM ever - with a bottom quartile farm system he tells fans - we are going to grow from with in.

Remember Pat Gillick and Gord Ash - those were the days when competency was part of the calculus for a job as a GM with the Jays?
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Pat Gillick absolutely. Multiple playoff appearances, smart trades, signing, rule 5 claims, prospect development. And most importantly 2 World Series.
A HoF GM without a doubt.

But Gord Ash???
What the hell did he ever do here but turn a perennial contender into a joke. Ownership gets a giant portion of the blame for that period for being unwilling to spend but he belongs no where in a list with Pat Gillick.
 
cyris said:
Pat Gillick absolutely. Multiple playoff appearances, smart trades, signing, rule 5 claims, prospect development. And most importantly 2 World Series.
A HoF GM without a doubt.

But Gord Ash???
What the hell did he ever do here but turn a perennial contender into a joke. Ownership gets a giant portion of the blame for that period for being unwilling to spend but he belongs no where in a list with Pat Gillick.
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What, you don't remember the Jays glory years from 1995-2001?
 
cyris said:
Pat Gillick absolutely. Multiple playoff appearances, smart trades, signing, rule 5 claims, prospect development. And most importantly 2 World Series.
A HoF GM without a doubt.

But Gord Ash???
What the hell did he ever do here but turn a perennial contender into a joke. Ownership gets a giant portion of the blame for that period for being unwilling to spend but he belongs no where in a list with Pat Gillick.
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He did draft Doc and Vernon Wells, and was able to sign Clemens as a free agent. And that '98 team would have made the playoffs under today's rules and could have done some damage behind Clemens. I'd take Ash over Atkins.
 
Kurtz said:
He did draft Doc and Vernon Wells, and was able to sign Clemens as a free agent. And that '98 team would have made the playoffs under today's rules and could have done some damage behind Clemens. I'd take Ash over Atkins.
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Ash also traded Clemens for Wells and then Wells for Sirotka. And Olerud for Person. And Green for Mondesi. And Young for Loaiza. Atkins should have been fired at least a year ago, but I think those Ash moves are all worse than any moves Atkins has made.

Even though the Jays would have made the playoffs under this format in '98, they've won more games than that three times under this management (and that doesn't count 2016).
 
Discoverer said:
Ash also traded Clemens for Wells and then Wells for Sirotka. And Olerud for Person. And Green for Mondesi. And Young for Loaiza. Atkins should have been fired at least a year ago, but I think those Ash moves are all worse than any moves Atkins has made.

Even though the Jays would have made the playoffs under this format in '98, they've won more games than that three times under this management (and that doesn't count 2016).
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Oh yeah, he also drafted Young.

Wells was pretty great for us. Olerud and Green trades were bad.

When Ash left, he left us with some building blocks - Doc, Delgado, Carpenter, Wells on the farm...when Atkins is gone this year, what's he leaving behind?
 
Shapiro and Atkins are blundering idiots
If you don't think vladdy is worth 400 mil then ßtrip it down and trade him .
BO hopefully he starts out of the gate hot then trade him
Alex Bregman on the downside another Springer
Santander he won't sign here unless you overpay again

Even with Vladdy having a really good year last year we sucked.
 
Kurtz said:
He did draft Doc and Vernon Wells, and was able to sign Clemens as a free agent. And that '98 team would have made the playoffs under today's rules and could have done some damage behind Clemens. I'd take Ash over Atkins.
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He literally took over a team that was the most recent WS winner and had just gone through a decade of contention and lead them to one of our darkest eras.
Sure I’ll listen to an argument that he was better than the current group but that is a pretty damn low bar to hit. And he certainly didn’t deserve to be brought up along side a HoF GM like Gillick.
 
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