Blue Jays Discussion: 2024-25 Off-season: The free agent watch begins (and sometimes old baseball radio broadcasts)
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OMG enough with this "In on" Bullshit.
Shatkins needs to either shit or get off the pot.
DO SOMETHING!!!!
GoonieFace
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Did you miss the Ali Sanchez signing?
saska sault
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He is. Hes waiting for whichever free agent holds out the longest and wants to get paid the most to run out of suitors, leaving the Jays to sweep him off their feet to the Brinks truck.
Scotianhab
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Boras knows how to use teams to up his offers. No doubt he feeds insiders info (true or not) to help get leverage for his clients vs teams.
Scotianhab
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Bellinger is married to Stanton’s ex. Hopefully they’re on good terms….or not….
The 2021 and 2022 seasons looked so promising but here I am thinking if the Jays don’t make a big splash soon a retool would be logical.
Avilaj07
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Sign both Burnes and Pivetta, trade Bassitt, move Rodriguez to bullpen
Burnes
Gausman
Berrios
Pivetta
Francis
That's a great rotation
Burnes
Gausman
Berrios
Pivetta
Francis
That's a great rotation
LOL
Damn some of you guys really can’t handle the MLB offseason.
What has happened so far that we reasonably could have and should have been in on?
Soto was never going to sign here.
Because we have drafted and developed terribly we didn’t have the prospect capital to match the Redsox offer for Crochet. Bellinger’s contract is radioactive waste we should have wanted nothing to do with.
Fried to the Yankees was a good signing but other than that no a lot has gone on. Baseball free agency isn’t like hockey where everything good happens the first 2 days. It takes months to play out.
There are tons of reasons to criticize this front office. I’m deeply in the fire Shatkins group. But it’s too early to freak out about this off season.
phillipmike
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Nah it ain't early. We've seen this before.
Rossy boi about to pull of some fringe signings that are decent enough from a standalone perspective but don't do shit like move the needle. Moncada and Margot incoming smh.
Yeah man. Shatkins sucks and don’t fill me with any confidence.
But out of the top 5 hitters and top 5 starting pitchers that are FAs how many have signed?
1 hitter in Soto and 2 pitchers in Fried and Kikuchi?
Most guys are still out there.
I wish we had info on what salary threshold they will spend to.
2025 CBT thresholds:
- First threshold: Approximately $241 million
- Second threshold: Approximately $261 million
- Third threshold: Approximately $281 million
FanGraphs has our estimated payroll at $206 million.
If these numbers are accurate and they spend to the first threshold, they could have somewhere around $30 million to spend. If they go to the next threshold, which would have been needed for Soto, it could be as high as $50+ million.
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They need to field a team, but they probably should be shedding salary - Bassitt, Springer for sure, Gausman and Berrios could get a decent return.
I think they only move Gausman or Berrios if they move into a rebuild mode. I think they are going to add not subtract unless the off-season is a failure, then maybe they pivot to a rebuild… but seems a bit unlikely we’re at that stage. Bassist could be a possibility depending on what else they do but also seems unlikely imo.
landy92mack29
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No More Excuses #MarnerOut
A few things here:
1) When looking at the Jays estimated payroll in relation to the CBT (luxury tax) thresholds, you actually have to look at FanGraphs estimated luxury tax payroll (scroll down a bit from their estimated payroll). Their estimated luxury tax payroll for the Jays is currently $228 million ($13 million below the first threshold).
2) The last 2 seasons in a row, the Jays have had an opening day CBT payroll of roughly $250 million according to Cots (Toronto Blue Jays | Cot's Baseball Contracts). Their payroll estimates also differ from FanGraphs, who don't have a perfect record when it comes to their payroll calculations. Cots currently has the Jays $23 million under the first CBT threshold.
But if the Jays opening day CBT payroll ends up at roughly $250 million for the 3rd consecutive season, they would actually still have $22 million to spend according to FanGraphs, and $32 million according to Cots.
3) There have also been rumours of certain top free agents from this class triggering a budget increase, to right around the 2nd threshold of $261 million if the Jays are able to sign one (this is different from the Soto/Ohtani unique cases which would have rocketed the budget even higher).
Free agents that have been mentioned in this context and are still unsigned (according to the Sportsnet reporters so you can take this 3rd point with a massive grain of salt), are Burnes/Bregman/Santander/Teoscar.
phillipmike
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Jays shouldn’t bid against themselves but if Burnes is your guy, then force his and the Giants hand by offering 9 years and $270M or 10 and $300M.
If Cole is worth $300M 5 years ago, then you can make the exception for Burnes.
Keep in mind Cole’s 2018 and 2019 Astros numbers were inflated due to his use of Spidertac.
If he isn’t your guy, then move on.
If Cole is worth $300M 5 years ago, then you can make the exception for Burnes.
Keep in mind Cole’s 2018 and 2019 Astros numbers were inflated due to his use of Spidertac.
If he isn’t your guy, then move on.
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Larcos_Unal
Excuses are for losers
It's time to come to the realization that the Jays are essentially the Buffalo Sabres of the MLB.
The Buffalo Sabres hold the longest active playoff drought in the NHL. Two months into the current season, they are on the outside looking in again.
Speaking Friday, general manager Kevyn Adams suggested one of the reasons is the team is "not a destination" for marquee players.
"We’re not a destination city right now," Adams said, "Where you’re going to be able to go out and UFAs that are key guys. And I just don't think that's a way to build a sustainable winner."
If you cannot go out and attract marquee talent, and your track record of drafting and developing players is miserable, you're gonna have a bad time.
The Buffalo Sabres hold the longest active playoff drought in the NHL. Two months into the current season, they are on the outside looking in again.
Speaking Friday, general manager Kevyn Adams suggested one of the reasons is the team is "not a destination" for marquee players.
"We’re not a destination city right now," Adams said, "Where you’re going to be able to go out and UFAs that are key guys. And I just don't think that's a way to build a sustainable winner."
If you cannot go out and attract marquee talent, and your track record of drafting and developing players is miserable, you're gonna have a bad time.
Thanks. It was a bit of a pain looking for the luxury tax number vs. the payroll. These sites have different numbers, which makes it a bit frustrating. And then, on top of that, the budget is determined based on "special players," which creates even more variables. BNS and Davidi don’t report much at all on this topic.
$22-32 million isn’t a whole lot to spend. If they go up another $11 million to $261 million, that’s a ballpark number of around $33-43 million to spend, depending on what site we use. Maybe there’s an extra allocation amount for Burnes.
If we miss out on Burnes and they only go to $250 million or less, it could end up being something like Pivetta and a cheaper DH bat, i.e a Goldschmidt or Winker type bat since there won’t be a “special allocation” budget.
