Blue Jays Discussion: 2024-25 Off-season: The free agent watch begins (and sometimes old baseball radio broadcasts)

[ER89]

we are gna do this thing where we get a few players that are gna be shite at batting but shatkins believe can make them into good hitters despite having a horrible track record of batting development the past two years.

I think santander would be a ridiculous mistake. The only bat that truly interests me is alonso.

 

[Discoverer]

we are gna do this thing where we get a few players that are gna be shite at batting but shatkins believe can make them into good hitters despite having a horrible track record of batting development the past two years.

I think santander would be a ridiculous mistake. The only bat that truly interests me is alonso.

All the available hitters have flaws, but I'm curious what you feel makes Santander so bad. He's been a consistently very good hitter over the last three years.

 

[MK78]

All the available hitters have flaws, but I'm curious what you feel makes Santander so bad. He's been a consistently very good hitter over the last three years.

How can he be worse than Belt or Turner, which was their "solution" the last couple years.

Yeah obviously he will cost more, but will no doubt be better.

 

[ER89]

All the available hitters have flaws, but I'm curious what you feel makes Santander so bad. He's been a consistently very good hitter over the last three years.

Well i just think to get him we would need to offer 5 years. I think the last two years will be absolutely brutal if not the last 3.

Santander at 3-4 is an easy yes.

 

[Ale Brew]

Well i just think to get him we would need to offer 5 years. I think the last two years will be absolutely brutal if not the last 3.

Santander at 3-4 is an easy yes.

I’m curious about this, as many seem to share the sentiment. However nobody seems to have an issue with giving Teo 3 years.

I love Teo and would be thrilled to add him, but I think Santander is the better fit. He’s 2 years younger, and a switch hitter. Both are adventures in the OF, granted Teo has better foot speed.

I’m good adding either, but I think Santander is fits better as a protection behind Vladdy.

 

[Petes]

The media guys are now linking us to the likes of Max Kepler and Joc Pedersen.

This team is toast with these guys in charge!

Where did you see this?

 

[Discoverer]

I’m curious about this, as many seem to share the sentiment. However nobody seems to have an issue with giving Teo 3 years.

I love Teo and would be thrilled to add him, but I think Santander is the better fit. He’s 2 years younger, and a switch hitter. Both are adventures in the OF, granted Teo has better foot speed.

I’m good adding either, but I think Santander is fits better as a protection behind Vladdy.

Yeah I think I would prefer Teo because he's Teo. But setting that's connection aside, I might pick Santander.

 

[ER89]

I’m curious about this, as many seem to share the sentiment. However nobody seems to have an issue with giving Teo 3 years.

I love Teo and would be thrilled to add him, but I think Santander is the better fit. He’s 2 years younger, and a switch hitter. Both are adventures in the OF, granted Teo has better foot speed.

I’m good adding either, but I think Santander is fits better as a protection behind Vladdy.

I do

If I'm breaking the bank is like to do it on the best hitter available

 

[Dr.Funk]

 

[BehindTheTimes]

At this point, as a Jays fan I think the best we can hope for is that no moves are made other than the firing of shatkins. I do not want them damaging the team any further. No long term deals done by them, get them out of here already.

 

[kb]

Anyone happen to see the correlation during the season with Vladdy cropping his lid, and his amazing turnaround that happened nearly concurrently?

 

[ChuckNorris4Cup]

Comparing an apple to an orange.
If your general point is that impressive prospects don’t always translate, that’s fair.

It's more about comparing an apple to an apple actually, power for power, not power to contact, but think what you want. Funny how even if I acknowledge his stats that's still not good enough for you, but the other comment gets under your skin.

The point was though Atkins doesn't like power bats, so don't get to excited about having him chances are Atkins will find a way to move him as well, as long as that clown Atkins is here.

 

[Discoverer]

It's more about comparing an apple to an apple actually, power for power, not power to contact, but think what you want. Funny how even if I acknowledge his stats that's still not good enough for you, but the other comment gets under your skin.

The point was though Atkins doesn't like power bats, so don't get to excited about having him chances are Atkins will find a way to move him as well, as long as that clown Atkins is here.

But... Horwitz and Roden are both primarily contact hitters whose offensive upside is limited by mediocre power.

 

[ChuckNorris4Cup]

But... Horwitz and Roden are both primarily contact hitters whose offensive upside is limited by mediocre power.

So Jays in Buffalo Triple A have zero power hitters then? Even since Horwitz and Roden had the highest OPS out of everyone last season in Triple A....

Horwitz OPS .970
Roden OPS . 916


Limited gotcha.

I'll add SLG as well top 3.

Martinez SLG .523
Horwitz SLG .514
Roden SLG .510

 

[WeThreeKings]

Shouldn't really do anything until they know whether or not Vladdy is signing. If he isn't, then pursuing Burnes and all this other shit is just nonsense because you have to blow the whole f***ing thing to smithereens if Vladdy ain't staying.

 

[Nineteen67]

Shouldn't really do anything until they know whether or not Vladdy is signing. If he isn't, then pursuing Burnes and all this other shit is just nonsense because you have to blow the whole f***ing thing to smithereens if Vladdy ain't staying.

Yes. Replacing Aitkins should be priority 1.

 

[Discoverer]

So Jays in Buffalo Triple A have zero power hitters then? Even since Horwitz and Roden had the highest OPS out of everyone last season in Triple A....

Horwitz OPS .970
Roden OPS . 916


Limited gotcha.

I'll add SLG as well top 3.

Martinez SLG .523
Horwitz SLG .514
Roden SLG .510

In Buffalo, Horwitz hit 4 HR in 259 PA. His excellent SLG was driven entirely by his batting average and a lot of doubles. Even his solid .179 ISO was entirely driven by doubles. I really like Horwitz, but he's never been a power hitter.

Roden had an interesting late-season power surge, but again... his SLG was mostly driven by his batting average. His .196 ISO was good, but also the best of his career at any level, so we'll see how sustainable it is. He hit 9 HR in 286 PA in Buffalo. Solid, but that's around a 20 HR pace in AAA.

I agree with you that Roden and Horwitz are relatively similar bats... two guys who get the majority of their value with excellent plate discipline and contact ability and a little bit of pop.

 

[aingefan]

It's more about comparing an apple to an apple actually, power for power, not power to contact, but think what you want. Funny how even if I acknowledge his stats that's still not good enough for you, but the other comment gets under your skin.

The point was though Atkins doesn't like power bats, so don't get to excited about having him chances are Atkins will find a way to move him as well, as long as that clown Atkins is here.

I didn’t actually know what your point was honestly, about how ‘it worked out for him’. You seem an unnecessarily confrontational fella.
Roden did his work at AAA before being 40 man eligible….faster than Horwitz. He’s a solid OF so has better positional and defensive value. Has better platoon splits than Horwitz.
That’s not the same guy.

 

[Dr.Funk]

 

[Ale Brew]

Have to believe he’s just waiting in the Dodgers then. That seems like a reasonable price, and I’d be surprised if teams like the Jays and Red Sox weren’t willing to pay it.

Or maybe the Jays are waiting on the Corbin Burnes situation.

 

[trellaine201]

Or Max Fried oops he is signed with the Yankees.

 

[Dr.Funk]

 

[red devil]

 

[landy92mack29]

They need to do something tbh. Either pitcher has to have given up X amount of runs or over 100 pitches before can take out before 7th inning

 

[phillipmike]

At the moment that doesnt look like a tough schedule for me.

Baltimore is good but they are losing Burnes and Santander. Gunnar is an MVP player but i dont see him replicating a 9 WAR season. They will improve in other areas though. Likely the division favorites but they cant get past a mental hurdle .

Washington is bad.

Mets are good with Soto but their pitching sucks.

Boston was a .500 team last year. Crochet will help but so far they lost; Jansen, O'Neill, Pivetta, and Kenley is a free agent.

Braves were a playoff team but they looked awful getting swept with no offense. They lost Fried as well.

Seattle won 85 games and they arent spending money and looking to move Castillo.

Houston traded Tucker, lost Kikuchi and may lose Bregman.

Yankees got Fried and WIlliams but lost Soto and Cortes and will likely lose Torres, Rizzo and Verdguo. Without Soto, the Yankees have one of the worst lineups in the league.

Mostly good teams but not powerhouses. Not down playing the opponents or saying the Jays will be good but they lost their closer, #5 starter (former ace) and 2nd best player in Bichette for the year. They also started the season with injuries to their Gasuman and Bassitt. Literally everything went bad for every player except Vladdy, Varsho, IKF, Berrios and Garcia and there was a point in August they were only 5 GBs of the WC. A healthy Jays team can easily have a winning record against all these teams. And that doesnt include futher upgrades if they come.