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Apologies...my level of employment status was not allowing me to think that deeply about it
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Knowing the alternative is Dumba, I would gladly take Tanev at 6yrs for 4.5m.
and yes, It is dumb to commit that much term to a player that old, but at least for the short term he is an actual #4 dman, unlike our cadre of #6/7 guys.. 800k is the difference between Dumba and Tanev's salary.
Ironically 800k is about the level of play Dumba brings to the table.
90% of the defensemen signed last year got less than 6m. Montour is the only one that comes to mind that broke 6m (he got north of 7), maybe i'm missing someone but of the big names available both Roy and Pesce got around 5.5m. Yes they got decent amount of term, but nothing that would cause issues for the Stars.
Hell Ghost and Walker both make less than Dumba and got little term (1yr more for Ghost,2 for Walker), not that either were ideal targets but both would be significantly better than Dumba.
If only it was bad Metrics, there is nothing redeeming about Dumba's play, anyone who watched him in the last 4yrs should have seen that.
The theoretical cap bind is so played out at this point.
The 2m more that Roy or Pesce cost, than Dumba, and the 4yrs longer term, is not a hinderance at all.
I don't know where people keep getting that from, regurgitated form Heika/Levine is my guess.
The team has no significant raises that it doesn't already have a buffer for (credit the FO for that). 30m in capspace for next season currently, only Johnston(of any significance) to re-sign, jumps to 58m the year after (Harley/Robertson)
Sure ideally they re-sign Duchene as well, maybe even Benn, but there's no scenario where 2m extra from Roy/Pesce prevents that.
If they add jones or Karlsson they are going to run Miro at LD.
Miro-Jones/Karlsson
Harley-x
Lindell-x
where x is Lyubushkin or Ceci.
and Bichsel is in the AHL until an injury or Texas loses in the PO.
but it's probably less than 1% chance they add an actual top 4 RD
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250k is a "significant" paycut for you? That shit is almost 5x what I make a year working for the state. Shit, I'd be ecstatic if I could hit 80k.
At least I have an excuse for being so damn negative all the time, yours has now been revoked, lol.
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Can't speak for State jobs, but the best way to get a raise these days is to switch jobs.
New hire budgets are generally higher than retention pools.
But hopefully the pay gets better.
It took a long time to get where I currently am, it was a lot of years or paycheck to paycheck and hoping nothing serious went wrong with my house, car, health, etc.
Even some years of just outright ignoring issues... who needs knees anyway...
MK88,
The top six UFA Dmen all got 6 or 7 years and over $30Mil for that. Even Brendan Dillon got $4 Million for 3 years, or $12Mil total, and I think we would all agree that is an overpayment. Surprising in UFA, lol.
I don't think the extent of the cap raise was known back on July 1, start of the UFA period. You know, we always pick a player to crap all over each year. While Dumba is a better candidate than we have "elected" in most years, he was a lower budget signing, which we know Nill prefers in consideration of the future of the franchise. It really hasn't worked out, but the damage will be minimal, again considering where our GAA stands (and Otters save % isn't world beating either, so some credit has to go to the D, and the coaches who can cover Dumba's weaknesses.
Would I recommend Nill do it again? No, but I won't crap all over him for the signing. I didn't like it either, given his hit on Pavs a few years ago, but no one seems to mind that.
The top six UFA Dmen all got 6 or 7 years and over $30Mil for that. Even Brendan Dillon got $4 Million for 3 years, or $12Mil total, and I think we would all agree that is an overpayment. Surprising in UFA, lol.
I don't think the extent of the cap raise was known back on July 1, start of the UFA period. You know, we always pick a player to crap all over each year. While Dumba is a better candidate than we have "elected" in most years, he was a lower budget signing, which we know Nill prefers in consideration of the future of the franchise. It really hasn't worked out, but the damage will be minimal, again considering where our GAA stands (and Otters save % isn't world beating either, so some credit has to go to the D, and the coaches who can cover Dumba's weaknesses.
Would I recommend Nill do it again? No, but I won't crap all over him for the signing. I didn't like it either, given his hit on Pavs a few years ago, but no one seems to mind that.
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We're always rumored to be in on the big fish, but then we go back to the bargain bin.
Wouldn't get your hopes up
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I'm team Seth Jones. I think playing here as the #2/3 guy would be huge for him and for us and that he would excel here in our system. I'm still not convinced Nill is seriously in on him, but I imagine there is interest. Ceci was the Dumba replacement acquisition imo.
Not worth his full contract perhaps but it's not unbearable. Our top 4 on defense would be set for years.
If you look at Vegas, the one thing they rarely make changes on is their backend. That's the type of defense we need/are trying to build imo.
Not worth his full contract perhaps but it's not unbearable. Our top 4 on defense would be set for years.
If you look at Vegas, the one thing they rarely make changes on is their backend. That's the type of defense we need/are trying to build imo.
Tanev wasn't a big fish? Generally considered the best rental D on the market last year, according to most reports.
Yeah that is definitely crazy talk. Tanev last year was a huge get compared to Kris Russell from 10 years ago.
Also, if you go for the big fish every year there's no shot Harley, Bourque, Johnston, Stankoven, etc are all on the roster right now. Nill's struck a good balance with the roster composition. Those guys are all going to peak in the next 5 years and should keep this team in the playoff hunt every year.
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Hemming/Stranges, Dumba, 2nd for Jones. If they retain change the 2nd to a 1st
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You're gonna have to add an additional pick for a team to take on Dumba at minimum
That was Hanifin, but yes Tanev was a decent get
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When they added Zuccarello, he was also considered a big fish deadline acquisition.
Nill's big fish have mostly come in free agency. Radulov was a huge get (Hanzal was surprisingly the second best forward on the market that off-season, and Nill got him also.). Bishop was a big win even if he broke down. Pavelski was a transformative win. Duchene (despite his disappearing act last season) was a massive get. Dumba was ... ok, just kidding.
Nill's big fish have mostly come in free agency. Radulov was a huge get (Hanzal was surprisingly the second best forward on the market that off-season, and Nill got him also.). Bishop was a big win even if he broke down. Pavelski was a transformative win. Duchene (despite his disappearing act last season) was a massive get. Dumba was ... ok, just kidding.
