Speculation: 2024-25 - Free Agency/Trade Thread

[shach1]

If we had Snuggurud instead of Gaucher or Cristal instead of Myatovic, I'd be more willing to trade Terry.

 

[quackquackquack]

can we not talk about trading for a D unless its a bonafide star...we absolutely, positively need to upgrade our top 6

 

[WhatTheDuck]

The player I want from the Isles is JP Pageau

 

[Hockey Duckie]

RD Dobson is an offensive specialist and sheltered/deployed like one. Look at his OZ Start% for his career. It's been mostly around 60% or higher in five out of his six years in the league.

No way we trade Terry for an OFD, which we have plenty of in our org. We aren't gunning for a championship this year nor next. All of our youth forwards are still trying to find footing in the NHL. RD Luneau found his offensive gear recently in the AHL.

Noah Dobson's Stats from Hockey-Reference

Luneau's AHL Stats

Anaheim has an abundance of OFD's in LD Minty, LD/RD Zell, RD Luneau, and LD Dionicio. Then there are the 2WD's in LaCombe and, potentially, Tarin Smith. Finally, our DFD's (or stay-at-home guys) in RD Helleson, LD Hinds, RD Warren, RD Moore (NCAA), and LD Solberg.

 

[70sSanO]

Isn't every trade robbing Peter to pay Paul? If you could just pay Paul, you'd do it and there would be no need to get Peter involved.

If we are looking at Noah, I don’t think Peter or Paul are involved.

John

 

[MMC]

Dobson can walk in 2 years, no interest in trading for him

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

The player I want from the Isles is JP Pageau

I remember pitching that in the offseason

 

[JAHV]

If we are looking at Noah, I don’t think Peter or Paul are involved.

John

True.

"Robbing Shem to pay Japheth" is a much less common expression, though.

 

[Hey234]

He is a good all around D. And he is younger than Terry. And he plays a position that is much harder to fill than a winger.

I don’t think a 1-1 Terry for Dobson deal is enough for the islanders but that is the cost of acquiring top talent. Terry’s replacement is already in the system. Guys like Dobson are almost never available.

The "replacement in the system" argument is a risky one. Sure, Sennecke looks good and maybe he's amazing for the team. Or, he gets injured and never lives up to potential. Or, he demands a trade two years from now. The problem with this viewpoint is that you hope the player stays and becomes good. Terry is already good. There's way less risk.

The Ducks defensive options are plenty between Trouba, Gudas, Mintyukov, LaCombe, Zellweger, Helleson, and Solberg and then the other guys already drafted. If they want an upgrade, wouldn't this be the area to trade from? Otherwise, it becomes overcrowded.

At the same time, there is a clear need for more top 6 forwards. Trading from this already thin area seems like a step backwards. Additionally, top 4 defenseman are traded all the time. The Ducks got Trouba for very little. However, scoring forwards, they go for high prices and are not often traded. If it was easy, why has Verbeek been unable to do this for over a year?

Guys like Dobson are available regularly. Guys like Terry are not because teams fight to keep them.