Speculation: 2024-25 - Free Agency/Trade Thread

[dracom]

This is the first year i can believe Gibson gets moved. He’s playing great and dostal is as well. Still don’t expect a fantastic return though. A 2nd and spare change is what i expect

 

[duckpuck]

It will be tough to retain and tie up two retainment slots for multiple years. I have to say I'd be surprised if he's moved at this point.

I too would be concerned about tying up two retention slots for the long term. Hopefully they can just take a bad contract or two back.

 

[Gliff]

I haven’t listened yet, but this is interesting. Gibson has been fantastic recently.

Gibson to Philly would be hilarious. He goes on a cold streak, fans are freaking out and cussing him out, he just rolls his eye with that look he always has.

I don't disagree. My point was that the likelihood of them signing here is probably low. I don't want another situation like last summer where top UFAs sign elsewhere and the Ducks are left empty-handed.

Those are the legit top liners. If they miss out on them there are Boeser and Ehlers as options. But I wouldnt want to give them what they will get in UFA.

 

[Static]

I wonder if farabee would be available? He's making $5 million a year for a few more years, only six goals and 14 points in 42 games after scoring 22 goals and 50 points last season. Maybe a buy-low candidate?

Bit of a risk, but that's kind of where we are at when trying to upgrade our forward talent. No sure-thing guys are going to be available at prices we should be paying, and farabee is only 24.

 

[MMC]

If PV moves Gibson now I would have to believe he intends on making significant additions to the payroll next season

 

[Static]

If PV moves Gibson now I would have to believe he intends on making significant additions to the payroll next season

Well, he would have to. Even so, Gibson getting moved almost guarantees significant salary coming back our way in any deal.

 

[lwvs84]

Couple of things with the salary retention... hopefully this is the last year as sellers so those spots won't mean much. Also, assuming they did retain on a Gibson deal, the only players that are UFA after next season that have larger contracts are Gudas and Trouba. Ducks will probably keep one or both so at most only 1 retention spot is needed next year. After that, the Fowler hit drops and were hopefully a playoff team by then anyways.

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

I wonder if farabee would be available? He's making $5 million a year for a few more years, only six goals and 14 points in 42 games after scoring 22 goals and 50 points last season. Maybe a buy-low candidate?

Bit of a risk, but that's kind of where we are at when trying to upgrade our forward talent. No sure-thing guys are going to be available at prices we should be paying, and farabee is only 24.

Could be an idea.

I’m cool swapping Gibson for forward help over picks if it makes sense.

 

[Rasp]

The fact that we don't have a 2025 2nd (Philly has it) leads me to believe we would target something in that range (either for Gibson, Dumoulin, or someone else). At the moment, we have the #8 pick, then our next one isn't until the 70s. I think it would be beneficial to target a pick in the late 1st or early 2nd to bridge that gap.

We have done well to trade our 2025 picks since this coming draft is crap

 

[Hockey Duckie]

I don't disagree. My point was that the likelihood of them signing here is probably low. I don't want another situation like last summer where top UFAs sign elsewhere and the Ducks are left empty-handed.

The Avs are trying to extend Rantanen. If the Avs cannot get the extension, then they will trade him, as per The Fourth Period. I'm wondering when that period of impasse occurs, around the TDL or after their season is completed?

If we do trade for Rantanen, then I hope it is mostly futures (prospects and picks) and one NHL youth. The pool of teams that can afford Rantanen's future extension (probably $11+ mil AAV) and still field a full roster is small. Here is Puckpedia's current cap projections for 2025-26 season: link. Gotta think it's going to be a draft lottery team with ample cap space with loads of high end draft prospects and picks that will have a likelier chance to trading for Rantanen.

 

[Boo Boo]

I could understand opening up his ntc but why would he do it to go to Philly? Would that even be a better situation than here at this point?

 

[tomd]

Gibson is finally playing well and the Ducks are getting quality goaltending almost every night now. If Verbeek wants to be playing meaningful games in March/April then Gibson stays IMO. Unless, of course, Verbeek and Gibson have already privately agreed to find a new home for him ASAP.

 

[MMC]

 

[Dr Johnny Fever]

Gibby is #4 on the TSN Trade Bait Board.

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

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Eh my deadline:

Dumo at 50% + 4th for 2nd - Upgrade the pick we used to acquire Dumo from a 4th to a 2nd (essentially we trade 2 4ths for 1 2nd)

Fabbri + 5th(goes to another team to retain on fabbri deal) for a 3rd - I think weve seen teams that lack picks and have extra cap space, willing to make this type of deal to add a later pick to their pool. We already got a 4th for taking Fabbri in the first place, now we upgrade our 5th to a 3rd. Also allows us to avoid using our last retention spot.

Gibson for Farabee + our 2nd (or a 26 2nd) + Fedatov - stop gap goalie, top 9 forward, and recoup our pick..... Farabeee and fedatov both signed next year with caps that make retaining on Gibson not needed (unless philly wanted to pay more)

Could go the retentionroute
Gibson(w/retention) for phillys middle 1st, middle 2nd and fedatov

 

[MMC]

Eh my deadline:

Dumo at 50% + 4th for 2nd - Upgrade the pick we used to acquire Dumo from a 4th to a 2nd (essentially we trade 2 4ths for 1 2nd)

Fabbri + 5th(goes to another team to retain on fabbri deal) for a 3rd - I think weve seen teams that lack picks and have extra cap space, willing to make this type of deal to add a later pick to their pool. We already got a 4th for taking Fabbri in the first place, now we upgrade our 5th to a 3rd. Also allows us to avoid using our last retention spot.

Gibson for Farabee + our 2nd (or a 26 2nd) + Fedatov - stop gap goalie, top 9 forward, and recoup our pick..... Farabeee and fedatov both signed next year with caps that make retaining on Gibson not needed (unless philly wanted to pay more)

Could go the retentionroute
Gibson(w/retention) for phillys middle 1st, middle 2nd and fedatov

I really doubt we need to include a 4th, especially if we’re retaining on Dumo

 

[Gliff]

Eh my deadline:

Dumo at 50% + 4th for 2nd - Upgrade the pick we used to acquire Dumo from a 4th to a 2nd (essentially we trade 2 4ths for 1 2nd)

Fabbri + 5th(goes to another team to retain on fabbri deal) for a 3rd - I think weve seen teams that lack picks and have extra cap space, willing to make this type of deal to add a later pick to their pool. We already got a 4th for taking Fabbri in the first place, now we upgrade our 5th to a 3rd. Also allows us to avoid using our last retention spot.

Gibson for Farabee + our 2nd (or a 26 2nd) + Fedatov - stop gap goalie, top 9 forward, and recoup our pick..... Farabeee and fedatov both signed next year with caps that make retaining on Gibson not needed (unless philly wanted to pay more)

Could go the retentionroute
Gibson(w/retention) for phillys middle 1st, middle 2nd and fedatov

I would rather keep Gibson then trade him in a deal where the best piece is our 2nd coming back.

 

[Hey234]

I would rather keep Gibson then trade him in a deal where the best piece is our 2nd coming back.

I think this is Verbeek's opinion as well. Friedman has been very clear the PV has a price and is not moving from it. If it was a 2nd, he'd already be traded. My guess is Verbeek wants a 1st without retention and a 1st+ with retention. IMO, I agree because I would rather just keep him if the return around a 2nd.

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

I really doubt we need to include a 4th, especially if we’re retaining on Dumo

Maybe not, i mean obviously im cool with that... id just like to get a 2nd for Dumo... even if we need to add a little to get it across the line

I would rather keep Gibson then trade him in a deal where the best piece is our 2nd coming back.

Well i gave 2 options
1 was a 1st and 2nd
other was farabee + 2nd

 

[Emerald Duck]

The Avs are trying to extend Rantanen. If the Avs cannot get the extension, then they will trade him, as per The Fourth Period. I'm wondering when that period of impasse occurs, around the TDL or after their season is completed?

If we do trade for Rantanen, then I hope it is mostly futures (prospects and picks) and one NHL youth. The pool of teams that can afford Rantanen's future extension (probably $11+ mil AAV) and still field a full roster is small. Here is Puckpedia's current cap projections for 2025-26 season: link. Gotta think it's going to be a draft lottery team with ample cap space with loads of high end draft prospects and picks that will have a likelier chance to trading for Rantanen.

Since Ratanen is a pending UFA, I don't think he's interested in signing with a draft lottery team and I don't see a team wanting to give up a lot of assets for him in a trade only to lose him in the offseason. I think he stays in COL and they will try to work out a new contract for him.

If he reaches FA the Ducks are in a good position to pursue him with our cap space and our playoff window beginning to open up by next season.

 

[Gliff]

Maybe not, i mean obviously im cool with that... id just like to get a 2nd for Dumo... even if we need to add a little to get it across the line


Well i gave 2 options
1 was a 1st and 2nd
other was farabee + 2nd

I like the retention deal, I just have a hard time believing they pay 8 mil in cash and tie up a retention slot for 2 and a half years. With Fowler it was best for both sides. Trading Gibson makes the Ducks worse.

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

I like the retention deal, I just have a hard time believing they pay 8 mil in cash and tie up a retention slot for 2 and a half years. With Fowler it was best for both sides. Trading Gibson makes the Ducks worse.

Sure but I think this is similar situation as fowler in the sense that PV is obviously looking to trade him and Gibson is ready to move on.

I don’t disagee that trading gibson makes us worse, but it seems like pv and Gibson both are in agreement of finding a new home for him.

The saving grace is gibson is having a good year and we might be able to get good value on him(in comparison to the last couple years). Based on everything we’ve heard and seen I think gibson will be gone by deadline.

 

[DuckRogers10]

I know I'm in the minority but I haven't been a fan of dumo, don't get me wrong, he's not sbisa bad, but I feel like when I get annoyed with a botched pass or receiving one it's usually him involved. He's fine for what we need him for, and the time being, but if he isn't gone after TDL I'll be annoyed.

Fumbles the puck to much isn't good at clearing the puck. Oh, and he's slow to boot.

 

[12ozPapa]

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Who wrote this? A 5th grader? Holy.

Man, you love moving goal posts, choose your own biased definition, and pivoting to something else to avoid being called out.

You... you are okay with Minty, Zell, and Helleson being on a rotation AND playing only 3rd pairing minutes nowadays. That's the opposite of development.

WTF? Did you just attack most of this board by saying we don't know what player development is?! Oh shit! You mean behaving like Cronin and forcing square pegs into round holes is great development because square pegs' weakness is fitting into a round hole. These are Stepford players that fit into a particular player skill a coach wants. Who cares what their actual top traits are when they needed to be molded in a specific way the GM/Coach wants. Yikes!

You develop players better that accentuates their best traits while slowly improving their weaknesses or even hide their weaknesses. Cronin took a 60+ point player who also scored 23 goals for two consecutive seasons and took away that offensive power to improve their defense by 15%. Is that your definition of "proper" development?

Verbeek learned his lesson when he took away defensive physicality from this team for a year and a quarter by brining players who's talent set were being defensively physical in Gudas, Lybushkin, Dumo, and Trouba. Verbeek isn't planning on making Zell a shutdown defenseman. Far from it. Which is why Zell's OZ starts are nearly 60%. Or do you wish to die on the hill that Zell needs to learn how to be a shutdown defenseman because that is his weakness? That is your definition of "proper" development, right?

You’re unhinged dude

 

[robbieboy3686]

If PV moves Gibson now I would have to believe he intends on making significant additions to the payroll next season

1000% agree we offer Ratenan money he can’t refuse, hopefully he’s tired of the snow and wants warmer climate

Sure but I think this is similar situation as fowler in the sense that PV is obviously looking to trade him and Gibson is ready to move on.

I don’t disagee that trading gibson makes us worse, but it seems like pv and Gibson both are in agreement of finding a new home for him.

The saving grace is gibson is having a good year and we might be able to get good value on him(in comparison to the last couple years). Based on everything we’ve heard and seen I think gibson will be gone by deadline.

Also there have been pretty big goalie contracts given out. Gibson showing hes still good, and hungry to compete and only 2 seasons after this ( or is it 3) this is the time