If Gibby doesn't turn into a pumpkin first, his play this year has to be something a serious cup contender can't ignore. Obviously it has to be a deal both sides can live with, but if he can help win you a cup this year those last 2 years of his deal are meaningless. Pat needs to get creative and find a way to make something happen here. Preferably for roster help and not just more picks.
If Gibby doesn't turn into a pumpkin first, his play this year has to be something a serious cup contender can't ignore. Obviously it has to be a deal both sides can live with, but if he can help win you a cup this year those last 2 years of his deal are meaningless.
Instead of outright blasting you for coming to our board to post this bullshit I’ll instead ask you why you think we give a shit what Toronto’s lines look like after they fleece us in a trade?
Having a poor backup goalie could ruin Dostal by running him to the ground b/c the any coach that wants to preserve their job would want the best possible outcome. I've shared a table showing the production each game by our netminders in other posts. Cronin ran Dostal into the ground and Dostal faltered hard for three consecutive games. When Gibby returned, Dostal was able to get some much needed time off and rest to bounce back.
Let's not repeat history again and believe having a poor backup will not have a material impact on the team. Our netminders are the only reason we're close to .500 in 20 games. Dostal could be wrecked and we would take a tremendous step backwards.
Improved goal scoring with great goaltending could launch us into the next tier. We have so many young, offensive forwards that with better coaching the improved scoring should happen far sooner than improving our 5v5 defense.
IMO, this is another development season since it's year 3 of the Verbeek reset rebuild. Keeping Gibson for this season preserves Dostal and still allows for growth for our youths despite getting caved in. It would also give us ample time to find a better backup goalie than settle for a "poor backup" for 3/4ths of the season.
That is a whole lot of words based on your not reading my post. I said passable, not poor. And even if the backup is "poor" as you postulate, it does not mean that Dostal will be run into the ground.
That is a whole lot of words based on your not reading my post. I said passable, not poor. And even if the backup is "poor" as you postulate, it does not mean that Dostal will be run into the ground.
Our coaching staff has proven that they will ride a player into the ground if the options are inferior enough. Dostal also had his play fall off when he was being given too many starts. It’s not an unreasonable postulate.
That is a whole lot of words based on your not reading my post. I said passable, not poor. And even if the backup is "poor" as you postulate, it does not mean that Dostal will be run into the ground.
Reimer would fit your definition of "passable" and the org still didn't trust him in a normal goalie rotation. And as for your stipulation that even with a "poor" goalie that Dostal wouldn't be run into the ground, then you didn't pay attention at all to this season NOR looked at the spoiler table given.
In the first 13 games of the season, Dostal played in 11 games, doing two 5-consecutive game stints. Anaheim did run Dostal in the ground and his play suffered for three consecutive games, Game 11, 12, and 13. These are factual events that have already occurred.
Our coaching staff has proven that they will ride a player into the ground if the options are inferior enough. Dostal also had his play fall off when he was being given too many starts. It’s not an unreasonable postulate.
Dostal is on a pace to play 50 games which is pretty typical for a starter. He may have had a heavier load early as most goalies do, but Reimer got starts in the typical spots (back to back games). If the ducks have a passable backup - which is my postulate - then Dostal will play that number of games.
This is just silliness to claim that the back up goalie on this team is an important component of making the playoffs. They've had excellent goal tending and they're a .500 team. If the ducks can trade Gibson for something of value, they should. And just to be clear, I have not been on the trade Gibson now bandwagon. But either way it is not a needle mover this year.
Reimer would fit your definition of "passable" and the org still didn't trust him in a normal goalie rotation. And as for your stipulation that even with a "poor" goalie that Dostal wouldn't be run into the ground, then you didn't pay attention at all to this season NOR looked at the spoiler table given.
In the first 13 games of the season, Dostal played in 11 games, doing two 5-consecutive game stints. Anaheim did run Dostal in the ground and his play suffered for three consecutive games, Game 11, 12, and 13. These are factual events that have already occurred.
"There are three kinds of lies: Lies, Damned Lies, and Statistics” In this case "Consecutive 5 game stints" is doing a lot of work to mislead.
How many back to back games did Dostal play? None. Did the ducks have the fewest games to start the season in the NHL, therefore spreading out the workload/pace? Yes they did.
Dostal's workload to start a season with that schedule is pretty typical of a starter. Consistent with how Gibson has started most seasons. And the Ducks knew that Gibson would return at which point things would balance out.
Dostal is on a pace to play 50 games which is pretty typical for a starter. He may have had a heavier load early as most goalies do, but Reimer got starts in the typical spots (back to back games). If the ducks have a passable backup - which is my postulate - then Dostal will play that number of games.
This is just silliness to claim that the back up goalie on this team is an important component of making the playoffs. They've had excellent goal tending and they're a .500 team. If the ducks can trade Gibson for something of value, they should. And just to be clear, I have not been on the trade Gibson now bandwagon. But either way it is not a needle mover this year.
The average starter on a playoff team got you ~50-75 points last year, with the guys at the higher end usually ~60 games. It took 94 points to make the playoffs in the East, 98 in the West.
Basic math says you’re not going anywhere without a backup that can get you 30-40 points out of their 20-30 games.
It's good on paper, albeit we have to see whether or not Jiricek is actually an outright bust, which is not off the table. He's still very young though, I would never write off a dman at 22, and how much is just him being mishandled?
But the fact that he's 6'4" with mobility and raw skill is what's going to buy him more time, moreso any actual flashes of high level play. And some big dmen do indeed take longer ... he might not pan out until his mid 20s and it wouldn't be at all unreasonable.
The average starter on a playoff team got you ~50-75 points last year, with the guys at the higher end usually ~60 games. It took 94 points to make the playoffs in the East, 98 in the West.
Basic math says you’re not going anywhere without a backup that can get you 30-40 points out of their 20-30 games.
My eyes and experience (and the math) tell me this ducks team is not going to be a playoff team no matter who the back up goalie is. The ducks have had the best goaltending in the league thus far (arguably) and they're not a playoff team. That's the ultimate point.
And that is even before the notion that if you're not a playoff team, you're ultimately better off losing more so who cares about at a back up goalie?
What does a deal with Carolina look like? They don't really have cap space and I do not even know who we could take that makes sense even if the main return is just picks.
My eyes and experience (and the math) tell me this ducks team is not going to be a playoff team no matter who the back up goalie is. The ducks have had the best goaltending in the league thus far (arguably) and they're not a playoff team. That's the ultimate point.
And that is even before the notion that if you're not a playoff team, you're ultimately better off losing more so who cares about at a back up goalie?
The initial postulate was that too many games could wear Dostal down. If the backup sucks, Cronin will overplay the starter, because losing gets coaches fired. Nobody has a crystal ball, but he’s never stayed at a top level for anywhere near 50 games. He may maintain, he may fall off. SOME goalies, when they get shelled asa young player, get ruined. Having a safety net is prudent.
Teams do not try to lose at this point in the rebuild. They want players to think there’s a chance of playoffs for the franchise, and either won’t sign or will force their way out otherwise - see : Sabres, Buffalo.
"There are three kinds of lies: Lies, Damned Lies, and Statistics” In this case "Consecutive 5 game stints" is doing a lot of work to mislead.
How many back to back games did Dostal play? None. Did the ducks have the fewest games to start the season in the NHL, therefore spreading out the workload/pace? Yes they did.
Dostal's workload to start a season with that schedule is pretty typical of a starter. Consistent with how Gibson has started most seasons. And the Ducks knew that Gibson would return at which point things would balance out.
I guess by your logic, Dostal giving up 14 goals in three non-back-to-back games is the norm. Gonna be hard to sell that perspective to the masses.
For someone who says "Stats are lies", you are gonna have to prove "Consistent with how Gibson has started most seasons" with actual facts. People tend to have biased memories when it comes to recalling events, which is why we rely on recorded facts. Anyhow, this ploy of yours is called deflection and moving the goal post because you are neglecting what has already transpired this year that doesn't fit your projected thought.
Don't hate the numbers when it's reflective of recorded history. Recorded history isn't biased nor fiction.
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