Speculation: 2024-25 - Free Agency/Trade Thread

[tomd]

That's fine, but as I pointed out above, that would be a rare approach to a #3 overall pick who has proven he can dominate juniors. Is there any particular reason why you think Sennecke needs more development given his production and pedigree?

Well I'm not sure he does need more time but we won't know until he shows up for training camp. Right now he is a very talented player with a teenager's body. He desperately needs to add 25-30 pounds of muscle everywhere on his body. I'd hate to watch him play 50 games next year getting physically overmatched and another 30 where he is scratched. I don't think it worked particularly well for Carlsson last year and they have similar body types. Just my $0.02.

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

No, but giving him that tenth game would be IMO unless he showed amazing progression through the first nine.

I don’t think anyone is suggesting just giving him the spot lol….

Think everyone prob agrees AHL would be best spot for him but not an option

 

[tomd]

I don’t think anyone is suggesting just giving him the spot lol….

Think everyone prob agrees AHL would be best spot for him but not an option

I would direct you to post 5290. That is as close as one can come without just saying he should be given a spot.

 

[MCB]

Sorry for my lack of knowledge, but could someone explain or just tell me the rules of why he can't be in the ahl next year?
Thanks in advance.

 

[Ducks DVM]

Sorry for my lack of knowledge, but could someone explain or just tell me the rules of why he can't be in the ahl next year?
Thanks in advance.

When can an NHL prospect play in the AHL?

When can my favorite NHL prospect play in the AHL? I see this topic of confusion appear every year so I have decided to make a dedicated page for it here as wel

www.defendthenest.com

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

When can an NHL prospect play in the AHL?

When can my favorite NHL prospect play in the AHL? I see this topic of confusion appear every year so I have decided to make a dedicated page for it here as wel

www.defendthenest.com

When does college thing kick in... i wonder if players in this situation might go to NCAA for that year+

Sennecke def too good for Juniors.... i really wish theyd just fix this.

 

[WhatTheDuck]

When does college thing kick in... i wonder if players in this situation might go to NCAA for that year+

Sennecke def too good for Juniors.... i really wish theyd just fix this.

The NCAA thing is already in effect but as someone corrected me on already, Sennecke has signed and therefore is no longer college eligible.

 

[Dr Johnny Fever]

The NCAA thing is already in effect but as someone corrected me on already, Sennecke has signed and therefore is no longer college eligible.

Aren't the colleges now paying football players? These new rules are a mess.

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

The NCAA thing is already in effect but as someone corrected me on already, Sennecke has signed and therefore is no longer college eligible.

Oooo okay so doesnt even apply for him

 

[Emerald Duck]

If I'm Verbeek, I approach 25/26 with the intention that Sennecke is back in junior. If he has blow out training camp I'd give him 4-5 games to see if he can continue that in the regular season. If he does, I'd get him to 9 games and then make a decision. But he would have to exceed expectations every step of the way. In hindsight, the Ducks rushed Drysdale, McTavish, Carlsson, and Zellweger with mixed results on all four. No need to do it again with Sennecke unless he is very very ready.

What are the chances that Verbeek again tries Luneau's off ice development plan for Sennecke and then return him back to his junior team in early 2026 ? Has there ever been any conclusion about whether Luneau benefitted from being up with the Ducks for a few months ?

 

[Gliff]

Aren't the colleges now paying football players? These new rules are a mess.

Ya an NHL prospect getting a signing bonus for his ELC makes him ineligible, but SEC quarterbacks make 2 mil a year from NIL, and that's fine.

 

[JAHV]

Ya an NHL prospect getting a signing bonus for his ELC makes him ineligible, but SEC quarterbacks make 2 mil a year from NIL, and that's fine.

I don't know nearly all of the details in what is allowed or why with college athletics. But, theoretically, this presents a conflict of interest that makes sense to me. A QB making $2 million in NIL is doing so because he's playing for the school. The school's booster program (NIL collective) is the one paying him to play there. So while the QB is looking forward to being drafted, he should be fully invested in playing well for his college.

If the QB was making $2 million from an NFL team while playing for a college team, who actually has a higher stake in his development? The QB is at least as much playing for the NFL team even while wearing the uniform of the college team, which is a totally separate entity with its own interests.

So I kind of get it, but again, there is probably a bunch of nuance that I'm missing.

 

[Firequacker]

What are the chances that Verbeek again tries Luneau's off ice development plan for Sennecke and then return him back to his junior team in early 2026 ? Has there ever been any conclusion about whether Luneau benefitted from being up with the Ducks for a few months ?

The situation with the knee infection probably made it harder to draw concrete conclusions. Which might make it more likely Verbeek does it again, since it makes it kind of unfalsifiable. If Luneau is right where he was hoping for, that supports the strategy working. If he's not showing as much long term benefit as he was hoping for, he can (fairly) suspect the infection derailed things.

The bigger question might be whether he'd do that to his shock 3OA pick the same way he did it to a second rounder, but the Leo load management precedent says "yeah potentially."

 

[Dr Johnny Fever]

I don't know nearly all of the details in what is allowed or why with college athletics. But, theoretically, this presents a conflict of interest that makes sense to me. A QB making $2 million in NIL is doing so because he's playing for the school. The school's booster program (NIL collective) is the one paying him to play there. So while the QB is looking forward to being drafted, he should be fully invested in playing well for his college.

If the QB was making $2 million from an NFL team while playing for a college team, who actually has a higher stake in his development? The QB is at least as much playing for the NFL team even while wearing the uniform of the college team, which is a totally separate entity with its own interests.

So I kind of get it, but again, there is probably a bunch of nuance that I'm missing.

I don't doubt the NCAA might use that argument but I find it weak. USHL guys are already committing to the college where everybody knows they're only going for a year and then will turn pro (Z). Keeping in mind we're really only talking about the very top end talent.

 

[CrazyDuck4u]

Do we ever dare?

 

[MMC]

Do we ever dare?

No

 

[WhatTheDuck]

2025 NHL Trade Deadline: Nine prospects who could be on the move

Blocked on the depth charts of contending teams, these players could use changes of scenery.

www.dailyfaceoff.com

 

[Hey234]

Dumoulin's play has really dropped. I'm thinking a 3rd is probably the best he'll get. Personally, I would rather trade him sooner than later so Zellweger can play more.

 

[lwvs84]

It'll be interesting to see what Verbeek does if we're close to a playoff spot. We're what, 7 points out now? Not saying we'll make it, but if we're in the 4-8 points out range does he add to the team? Does he move Dumo and Fabbri for picks and let Zell and Colangelo be the upgrades? Assuming he doesn't want a high priced vet on the 4th line, the top 9 is pretty crowded, same with the D with 4 kids and the two vets.

 

[Gliff]

It'll be interesting to see what Verbeek does if we're close to a playoff spot. We're what, 7 points out now? Not saying we'll make it, but if we're in the 4-8 points out range does he add to the team? Does he move Dumo and Fabbri for picks and let Zell and Colangelo be the upgrades? Assuming he doesn't want a high priced vet on the 4th line, the top 9 is pretty crowded, same with the D with 4 kids and the two vets.

I said it in the draft thread also, but they beat 3 bottom 5 teams in the NHL after they won 1 in 8 games.

Expecting them to be 4-8 points out of the playoffs is a stretch. That would mean a 90+ point season. Don't hold your breath.

 

[ohcomeonref]

I said it in the draft thread also, but they beat 3 bottom 5 teams in the NHL after they won 1 in 8 games.

Expecting them to be 4-8 points out of the playoffs is a stretch. That would mean a 90+ point season. Don't hold your breath.

Wouldn't it be freaking unreal if we made it thought? I'd eat my hat.

 

[lwvs84]

I said it in the draft thread also, but they beat 3 bottom 5 teams in the NHL after they won 1 in 8 games.

Expecting them to be 4-8 points out of the playoffs is a stretch. That would mean a 90+ point season. Don't hold your breath.

4-8 points at the deadline, with the 2 week (?) break, that's a lot fewer games than it seems. I'm not saying they'll be there at the end, but by March 7 there are only 11 games. Of those, only 3 are strong playoff teams. Rest are either wild card or below. That includes one against Calgary that's almost a must win to be in that range. Ducks COULD win 5 of those 11 and stay within striking distance of the final spot by the deadline.
Likely a loss: Dallas, LA, Edmonton (though we've played them tough this season)
Tough: Detroit and Boston
Potential win: Calgary, Montreal, Buffalo, Vancouver x2, Chicago

I put Calgary in the potential because that's close to a must win to be that close at the deadline, but they should probably be with Detroit and Boston. Calgary has 12 games before the deadline, 7 against strong teams (assuming you consider Avs strong) and 1 tough game (Detroit). Lots of other variables, like the other teams in between (Canucks being one and we have 2 against them), but it's possible to be in single digits of a playoff spot in just over a month from now.

 

[ZegrassyKnoll]

Between the pending UFAs and the players unhappy with their current teams, it could be a really interesting off-season of signs/trades.

Of course none of them will sign with us... But you could imagine!

 

[Daz28]

4-8 points at the deadline, with the 2 week (?) break, that's a lot fewer games than it seems. I'm not saying they'll be there at the end, but by March 7 there are only 11 games. Of those, only 3 are strong playoff teams. Rest are either wild card or below. That includes one against Calgary that's almost a must win to be in that range. Ducks COULD win 5 of those 11 and stay within striking distance of the final spot by the deadline.
Likely a loss: Dallas, LA, Edmonton (though we've played them tough this season)
Tough: Detroit and Boston
Potential win: Calgary, Montreal, Buffalo, Vancouver x2, Chicago

I put Calgary in the potential because that's close to a must win to be that close at the deadline, but they should probably be with Detroit and Boston. Calgary has 12 games before the deadline, 7 against strong teams (assuming you consider Avs strong) and 1 tough game (Detroit). Lots of other variables, like the other teams in between (Canucks being one and we have 2 against them), but it's possible to be in single digits of a playoff spot in just over a month from now.

Whipping the mess that was last years team into a playoff team was a tall order. I'll be happy if we're solidly a middling team.