Can’t wait for us to trade Fowler and all the Fowler haters realize we suck even more without him and he’s actually an important part of our D
Speculation: 2024-25 - Free Agency/Trade Thread
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Arthuros
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Can't really fault Verbeek for getting assets out of Fowler if there's demand, but if you thought our defence has been bad since Lindholm was traded, wait till you see what it looks like when both Fowler and Lindholm are off our blueline!
Hockey Duckie
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Here is an article about that podcast from Patrick Present of the THN (where Derek Lee also writes):
"Eventually, what you’ve got to start doing is saying, 'You know what, Cam, we have to start taking away some of your ice time so that these other players can learn what it’s like to start playing in these important situations,'" Friedman suggested.
Odd. You can cut back on Cam's minutes without trading him such as stop playing him on the PK or demoting him to the PP2QB. As of right now, we don't possess a known quantity d-man who's equal or better than Fowler. Why are we gifting minutes instead of meritoriously earning the minutes?
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Deuce22
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Perhaps just me, but I haven't seen Fowler playing a whole lot of defense the past few years.
It's certainly not just you, but it is a weird phenomenon among a subset of Ducks fans where they have decided to ignore that positive impact Fowler has had on the defense throughout his career. He's not as good as he once was, but he's fine back there.
Deuce22
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He still moves the puck well and can skate, but is miscast in the role he's been given lately. Not entirely his fault, but this discussion should be what is best for the Duck franchise. He shouldn't be taking down 25 minutes a night, isn't effective on the PK, and looks disinterested out there sometimes.
McDonald19
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Meh, Fowler probably won’t be traded until the 2026 trade deadline with 50% retention, when he will waive to go to any playoff team.
All Mighty
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The Dumoulin trade makes a lot more sense if the plan has been to move Fowler for awhile now.
My conspiracy theory is that Detroit wants him, but they have to sign Raymond and Seider before committing to a deal. They were also apparently going to acquire Trouba before he nixed it. Fowler fills a similar role, albeit on the left side.
My conspiracy theory is that Detroit wants him, but they have to sign Raymond and Seider before committing to a deal. They were also apparently going to acquire Trouba before he nixed it. Fowler fills a similar role, albeit on the left side.
I agree that he's miscast as an all-situations minute-muncher. But I think he's very easily been the Ducks' best option for that role in the absence of Lindholm (and Lindholm wasn't really the guy for that role either - the Ducks' defense was at its best when those two were sharing that role).
The "looks disinterested" is a weird take to me. I've never seen anything from him to indicate that he's given anything less than his best throughout his career. He plays conservatively and carefully, but that's not the same as disinterested. That's just his style.
Hamilton Bulldogs
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This season there was a time where there was like 20 seconds left on the clock and instead of going for another rush, Fowler just ate the clock up and basically called game. I get that the ducks weren’t coming back and winning but that’s just such a crappy thing to do.
I’m sure Fowler will thrive on a better team but he’s obviously checked out in Anaheim.
Hockey Duckie
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Those Duck fans also ignore a lot of context. Fowler is an OFD, not a DFD. Fowler works best with a DFD. Fowler is also a 2nd pairing D-man, not a first pairing D-man. Also, there are some fans who don't like facts b/c agendas and lack of substance purports specific agendas.
| Fowler | |||||||
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Season | Games | G | A | Pts | +/- | Pairing | Comments |
| 2019-20 | 59 | 9 | 20 | 29 | 0 | 2nd | |
| 2020-21 | 56 | 5 | 18 | 23 | -4 | 1st/2nd | Lindholm played 18 games |
| 2021-22 | 76 | 9 | 33 | 42 | -9 | 2nd/1st | Career high in pts; Manson missing 17 games/62 games |
| 2022-23 | 82 | 10 | 38 | 48 | -23 | 1st | Career high in pts |
| 2023-24 | 81 | 5 | 34 | 39 | -36 | 1st | Babysitting youths |
We've been rebuilding since the 2018-19 TDL. Anaheim was 4 points out of 3rd in the Pacific at the 2021-22 TDL.
It seems like the +/- went to the rails once Verbeek took over in the past two and 1/2 years. In 2022-23, Verbeek made Fowler a full-time, 1st pairing D-man and gave the defense a shit roster after jettisoning 1st pairing Lindholm and 2nd pairing Manson at the 2021-22 TDL. Last year, we were rotating rookies (Luneau, LaCombe, and Zellweger) with Fowler on the first pairing, helping to shelter the lower pairings. Once Gudas' minutes on the ice started to trickle up, then Gudas became fatigued on the ice too soon and often. Gudas cannot play Fowler's role.
What is surprising was that Eakins helped Fowler find his offense to make new career highs in back-to-back seasons. Fowler had not hit 40 points since his rookie year, which was 11 years prior to hitting 42 points in 2021-22.
I'll be pretty pissed if we move fowler only to try and replace him internally. When exactly are we going to add real NHL talent?
I'd wager if Fowler was actually traded to Det Chiarot is probably coming back.
All Mighty
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He has a 10 team no trade list. Maatta would almost certainly be involved.
I legitimately think that’s what the Dumoulin trade was for. He isn’t as good of an all-around dman as Fowler, but he’s solid defensively and on the PK, which is what we need more of right now to complement the young offensive dmen.
Mintyukov and Zellweger are real NHL talent and will be better this year.
It doesnt have to be either/or. Losing Fowler still takes away from the roster with who to replace him? Vaak?
I was disappointed in just adding dumoulin to this d-core as it is. If you're telling me his intention wasn't just as a mediocre talent infusion but to downgrade from Fowler to him I'd say we are screwed.
Anaheim4ever
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I guess Verbeek is already thinking about drafting McQueen or Martone. Maybe they are really high on RD Hensler or Trethewey and think they will go top 5.
Deuce22
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Absolutely spot on. He's a puck mover that isn't fit for the role that's he's been given. What I was objecting to was that our DEFENSE would take a hit if Fowler was traded. If anything, the Ducks offense would suffer a bit. A -36 is a poor job of babysitting.
Instead of playing one guy 25 minutes and the other two 17-18 minutes, you have three LDs (some combination of Mintyukov, LaCombe, Zellweger, Dumolin, and Vaakanainen) playing 20 minutes each. But this is all jumping the gun since as of right now, Fowler is still on the roster, and other than Friedman, there have been no rumors to suggest otherwise.
Zegs2sendhelp
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I cant wait for us to trade fowler and the team starts turning ship... and all the fowler lovers get real quiet and dont talk about us being right all along.
Vaaks, Lacombe.... dumo... potentially someone coming in from the trade.
Plenty of options.
Meh id bet on zellweger/Mintyukov bringing enough offense to not miss fowler much.... hell even lacombe has some untapped offensive upside that he may get to show more in this scenario.
Lol, the team will turn ship eventually regardless. A Fowler departure would not speed that up.
Zegs2sendhelp
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Sure, let’s trade him and put our young D in a even worse position
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