Speculation: 2024-25 Coaching/Management/Ownership

[TheDarkWingThatDucks]

The last 8 games we are 20th in shots for, 31st in shots against, 30th in shot differential, 28th in SAT%, 29th in USAT%. 2nd in 5v5 shooting %, and 10th in 5v5 SV %. They are 5-2-1.

That’s not sustainable. That’s a hot streak relying on goalie play and an unsustainable shooting %.

We also were unlucky with shooting percentage to start the year which has shown was also unsustainable. Stats are all fine and good, we look like a much better hockey team overall the last 8 games instead of the first 13. Plenty of room for improvement, but we HAVE been improving and perhaps it hasn’t quite shown up with the advanced stats, but something as simple as 5’ passes in the neutral zone that used to lead to a turnover are now leading to speed into opponents zone. Not always, but not never like before.

My hope is this young team continues to make improvements, it’s the key to our longterm success. Also this team was always only going to be as good as their goaltending, and we have at least a top 5 tandem in the league and it’s not close.

What’s the high danger chances the opposition has, is there a stats for sustained zone pressure ?

Thanks sir !

 

[KaseMeOutside]

"Get pucks deep"

This guy is RC 2.0 that is dump and chase hockey when you don't have the team to play that way.

 

[Hey234]

Friedman talked about the Ducks, specifically Cronin, today on his podcast. Nothing necessarily new. According to his sources, Verbeek was considering replacing him after last season but decided to try again with a new assistant coach and Cronin a new perspective. The comment Friedman kept repeating was unhappiness but the players due to not winning and someone pushing them hard.

He said Burke used to praise Selanne because he's so positive. Carlyle and Burke are angry people and Selanne would keep everyone's spirits up. Gave Cronin lots of rope because losing is not fun so how can he make he room fun. Believes that everyone is trying to find a balance.

Also brought up how things that motivate AHL players may not work for players with NHL contracts. Essentially, players will grind more to make the NHL than grind to stay in the NHL after they feel they have arrived and been paid.

 

[robbieboy3686]

Friedman talked about the Ducks, specifically Cronin, today on his podcast. Nothing necessarily new. According to his sources, Verbeek was considering replacing him after last season but decided to try again with a new assistant coach and Cronin a new perspective. The comment Friedman kept repeating was unhappiness but the players due to not winning and someone pushing them hard.

He said Burke used to praise Selanne because he's so positive. Carlyle and Burke are angry people and Selanne would keep everyone's spirits up. Gave Cronin lots of rope because losing is not fun so how can he make he room fun. Believes that everyone is trying to find a balance.

Also brought up how things that motivate AHL players may not work for players with NHL contracts. Essentially, players will grind more to make the NHL than grind to stay in the NHL after they feel they have arrived and been paid.

He also said some of the veteran players might also be expecting more from the younger players as well. That it’s not always all the players V the coach

 

[MCB]

Friedman talked about the Ducks, specifically Cronin, today on his podcast. Nothing necessarily new. According to his sources, Verbeek was considering replacing him after last season but decided to try again with a new assistant coach and Cronin a new perspective. The comment Friedman kept repeating was unhappiness but the players due to not winning and someone pushing them hard.

Sorry to derail, but was it on the 32 thoughts podcast? I was half listening to it and only got halfway before I got to work, but I want to make sure I listen to that.

 

[robbieboy3686]

Sorry to derail, but was it on the 32 thoughts podcast? I was half listening to it and only got halfway before I got to work, but I want to make sure I listen to that.

Yes 32 thoughts around 43 minutes into it

 

[Mr Rogers]

Interesting stuff. Pretty much confirms that Whitney on SC was talking about how things were going this year and not last year. Some people still weren’t convinced that he was talking about this season.

And that’s interesting that Pat considered moving on after 1 year, things must’ve been bad. I have little doubt now that he’d move on from him after year 2 if we don’t improve.

 

[TheDarkWingThatDucks]

Interesting stuff. Pretty much confirms that Whitney on SC was talking about how things were going this year and not last year. Some people still weren’t convinced that he was talking about this season.

And that’s interesting that Pat considered moving on after 1 year, things must’ve been bad. I have little doubt now that he’d move on from him after year 2 if we don’t improve.

Yeah but (I haven’t listened but reading what this guy transcribed) it sounds like the players are frustrated with losing while having a hard ass coach. Not that the locker room hates Cronin. Also says vets are mad at the young players.

Winning cures everything end of the day, the boys have been winning hockey games for 10 ish games, and it’s clear they are having some fun while doing it.

If the second Seattle game can’t galvanize this group to start playing for each other, then nothing will. Hurt our star 19 year old the game before, score 2 quick goals in the 3rd celebrate in your ice. You go back up there give up another 2 goal lead on the road, score 3 unanswered celebrate on their ice, kill off a double minor, in the final 5 minutes.

If these guys can’t come together as a group after that and really start playing for each other…: we’ve got f***ing huge problems

 

[Boo Boo]

not gonna lie I was a little bit disappointed in the 32 thoughts podcast today when Kyle asked what went right for the ducks to be at .500 and Elliott decided to just talk about our difficult locker room rather than our goalies or contributions from our actual players.

Feels like there was definitely room for them to boost our goalies or like zellweger or even zegras/some of our other young core guys but Elliot took it the total other direction. Obviously it doesn’t really matter but some positive attention around this franchise would be well appreciated.

 

[Mr Rogers]

Yeah but (I haven’t listened but reading what this guy transcribed) it sounds like the players are frustrated with losing while having a hard ass coach. Not that the locker room hates Cronin. Also says vets are mad at the young players.

Winning cures everything end of the day, the boys have been winning hockey games for 10 ish games, and it’s clear they are having some fun while doing it.

If the second Seattle game can’t galvanize this group to start playing for each other, then nothing will. Hurt our star 19 year old the game before, score 2 quick goals in the 3rd celebrate in your ice. You go back up there give up another 2 goal lead on the road, score 3 unanswered celebrate on their ice, kill off a double minor, in the final 5 minutes.

If these guys can’t come together as a group after that and really start playing for each other…: we’ve got f***ing huge problems

The demarcation between the two is murky IMO. We’re talking about people with emotions. I’m sure a coach like Cronin who has a grating personality is pretty awful when the team is losing. Don’t think it’s a stretch at all to say they might “hate” him at least in certain moments.

I know you like Cronin so agree to disagree before this keeps going

 

[Hockey Duckie]

not gonna lie I was a little bit disappointed in the 32 thoughts podcast today when Kyle asked what went right for the ducks to be at .500 and Elliott decided to just talk about our difficult locker room rather than our goalies or contributions from our actual players.

Feels like there was definitely room for them to boost our goalies or like zellweger or even zegras/some of our other young core guys but Elliot took it the total other direction. Obviously it doesn’t really matter but some positive attention around this franchise would be well appreciated.

Drama sells. Planes landing safely don't garner attention, unfortunately.

 

[KelVarnsen]

Can the organization hire a skills coach to teach these guys how to shoot? It’s either 10 feet wide or directly into the goalies chest.

I’m sure they have one but this team wastes so many golden opportunities with either a terrible shot or a useless extra pass.

Frustrating.

 

[ZegrassyKnoll]

Shot Differential through the first 15 games: -118
Goal Differential through the first 15 games: -13

Shot Differential through the last 9 games: -29
Goal Differential through the last 9 games: +4

At this point we've stopped taking steps backwards but need to work on taking steps forward. Still, they are undoubtedly playing better hockey and have been at least watchable if not entertaining for at least 8 of those 9 games IMO.

 

[DuckRogers10]

How many Cronin cronies are on this board? He's nothing more than a AHL head coach.

 

[Firequacker]

Drama sells. Planes landing safely don't garner attention, unfortunately.

So by this metaphor, what we're hoping for from this season is basically the Speedbird 9 landing?

"Ladies and gentlemen, this is your captain speaking. We have a small problem. All four engines have stopped. We are doing our damnedest to get them going again. I trust you are not in too much distress."

 

[Hockey Duckie]

So by this metaphor, what we're hoping for from this season is basically the Speedbird 9 landing?

"Ladies and gentlemen, this is your captain speaking. We have a small problem. All four engines have stopped. We are doing our damnedest to get them going again. I trust you are not in too much distress."

Not quite. The OP post pertained to when Kyle asked about what went right for the Ducks being at .500. Elliot responded with all the negative aspects. Good things don't generate more hits than drama. Sometimes there are manufactured drama to get clicks such as Gibby wants out of Anaheim for the past six, seven years or moving on to Zegras wants out for the past few seasons since they've beaten the Gibby wants out of Anaheim to 6 ft under the ground.

The Spirit plane landed through a sudden lightning storm, but there were complaints the turbulence was rough, babies were crying, and the steward/stewardess didn't smile at you. ​

This season was always a development season for me, especially after the debacle last season. We are/were at .500 after a very rough start this season, which included a 4-game losing streak. At the end of the 4-game losing streak, we were at 0.385 Pts % with a record of 4-7-2 after 13 games. The next eight games, we went 5-2-1 (11 pts) to get to .500 Pts %. We want to know what change the direction of the ship to soar up in Pts %. Telling us the bad things that we've known since last year doesn't really tell us any changes. Some of us were questioning what changes were when Gudas said something about changes. Then we propelled back to .500.

For some of us, we would like to channel our inner Marc Anthony...

 

[FlyingV09]

Interesting stuff. Pretty much confirms that Whitney on SC was talking about how things were going this year and not last year. Some people still weren’t convinced that he was talking about this season.

And that’s interesting that Pat considered moving on after 1 year, things must’ve been bad. I have little doubt now that he’d move on from him after year 2 if we don’t improve.

I listened to the Ducks part of the podcast and it didn’t mention anything about Verbeek thinking about a new coach. At least that’s now how I interpreted it. Elliotte said he heard the players found it hard under Cronin because he’s such a hard ass but Verbeek defended him and decided to put Clune in there to balance things out a bit like Selanne would do in the Burke/Carlyle days.

He also mentioned how players and staff around the league praise Cronin for his teaching abilities and mentioned Sam Malinski who had some options in the AHL and picked Colorado because he had heard Cronin was good to learn under.

Someone else was talking about how Elliotte also mentioned how some of the vets were hard on the younger players too. I’m speculating but I’m guessing Killorn and Gudas would be guys who would expect a lot. Killorn has won the SC and would know what it takes. Gudas had some success in the playoffs too before coming to Anaheim.

 

[Mr Rogers]

I listened to the Ducks part of the podcast and it didn’t mention anything about Verbeek thinking about a new coach. At least that’s now how I interpreted it. Elliotte said he heard the players found it hard under Cronin because he’s such a hard ass but Verbeek defended him and decided to put Clune in there to balance things out a bit like Selanne would do in the Burke/Carlyle days.

He also mentioned how players and staff around the league praise Cronin for his teaching abilities and mentioned Sam Malinski who had some options in the AHL and picked Colorado because he had heard Cronin was good to learn under.

Someone else was talking about how Elliotte also mentioned how some of the vets were hard on the younger players too. I’m speculating but I’m guessing Killorn and Gudas would be guys who would expect a lot. Killorn has won the SC and would know what it takes. Gudas had some success in the playoffs too before coming to Anaheim.

Well of he course didn’t literally say that. He said there were some questions about whether he’d return as HC after last year. I interpreted i guess differently than you. Nothing Elliotte said was a resounding endorsement of Cro at an NHL level at least. His AHL anecdote was nice and fitting because I think he’s better suited for an AHL HC.

 

[FlyingV09]

Well of he course didn’t literally say that. He said there were some questions about whether he’d return as HC after last year. I interpreted i guess differently than you. Nothing Elliotte said was a resounding endorsement of Cro at an NHL level at least. His AHL anecdote was nice and fitting because I think he’s better suited for an AHL HC.

No I agree that there wasn’t a resounding endorsement and honestly I’m not sure that Elliotte came to a real conclusion on what was actually discussed after the season.

I also agree that Cronin is most likely done after this year.