2024-25 Calder Race

[Michel Beauchamp]

Michkov currently showing the Bruins why they should be an AHL team

So the Flyers got beaten by an AHL team ?

 

[PhysicalGraffiti]

Sports per se are literally unimportant compared to war and geopolitics. Remember sport leagues, particularly in the West, are businesses through which billions of dollars flow. It is not unreasonable to deny access to those dollars as part of sanctions.

This is a nice sentiment but it's irrelevant and is straying far from the point, which is that at the time of the draft, there were significant questions about the future of Russian players in sports leagues across the world, and they remain banned in some.

This is a sports website, specifically talking about hockey players, who have nothing to go with geopolitics. No one is arguing war and countries invading others and you ignored most of my post.

Also sanctions wouldn't do much to hockey players. Look at baseball and Cuba, and Cuba is much harder to flee.

Congrats on your poli sci degree though. It seems worth it if for nothing else than to justify prejudice against an entire country of people.

 

[The Hockey Tonk Man]

can we see his first NHL hatty ?

His last nice play in the game was an epic dive

 

[Whitesnake]

Hutson needs some goals. At least 5 to 10. Nothing is less sure this season. Michkov at this point has to get hurt. It's his trophy to lose. I hope Hutson if he continues that way gets top 3 though. For every people who were skeptic he could hold his own...he deserves it.

 

[Mescaleroman]

Maxim Tsyplakov may enter the race before all's said and done , still a long way to go.

 

[Guadana]

The Sharks at the time had one of the most to lose. Celebrini was not a consideration, obviously no one counted on getting him. If he's part of your thinking then you need to throw that line of thinking out. They were crashing hard to the bottom of the league with terrible contract troubles and a very very bleak outlook.

They needed a player that was most guaranteed to play and make an impact in the NHL and could not risk Michkov not working out for whatever reason. They had already lost out on Stutzle so they could not gamble like that again.

They has already lost out on Stuzle and they decided to lost out on Michkov. At least they can make a shot of copium they were not the only ones, who decided to bet on "Russian issues", and drafted weaker players. Michkov is already first liner in NHL and all of players who were drafted ahead, are behind him.

It's nice lesson - don't try to outsmart and draft best talent.

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BTW Faber is a better overall defenseman than Hutson. And with his positional vision, physics and skating he will ever be better if only injuries will stop him from that. Even if Hutdon will become ppg.

 

[Kshahdoo]

It won't surprise me if he has a rookie season similar to Kaprizov's. It's just he's 3.5 years younger than Kirill was.

 

[Mattb124]

This is a sports website, specifically talking about hockey players, who have nothing to go with geopolitics. No one is arguing war and countries invading others and you ignored most of my post.

Also sanctions wouldn't do much to hockey players. Look at baseball and Cuba, and Cuba is much harder to flee.

Congrats on your poli sci degree though. It seems worth it if for nothing else than to justify prejudice against an entire country of people.

The way you use victimhood to claim the moral high ground and justify your misplaced outrage is simply spectacular.

NHL GM: “We made a business decision based on the best information available to us at the time.”

You (probably): “It’s xenophobic hate, pure and simple.”

 

[PhysicalGraffiti]

The way you use victimhood to claim the moral high ground and justify your misplaced outrage is simply spectacular.

NHL GM: “We made a business decision based on the best information available to us at the time.”

You (probably): “It’s xenophobic hate, pure and simple.”

Victimhood? I'm not Russian, nor am I purporting to be victim of anything.

Misplaced outrage? I wouldn't consider pointing out some oddities in the "Ukrainian flag sticker on car" communities having a blanket hatred for everyone from one country outrage.

I never said one thing about GMs not wanting to sign players based on anything. I merely pointed out the oddity of large groups of people and organizations demonizing one group of people. Clearly the GMs aren't having any issues as Russian players still continue to be signed. So swing and a miss there.

You and your other buddy here are attempting to rationalize a prejudice and it's an interesting hill to die on. I don't claim to be on any moral high ground, but pointing out how it's wrong to be prejudiced against a group seems to be a relatively simple morality for all.

 

[Kshahdoo]

The way you use victimhood to claim the moral high ground and justify your misplaced outrage is simply spectacular.

NHL GM: “We made a business decision based on the best information available to us at the time.”

You (probably): “It’s xenophobic hate, pure and simple.”

Hehe, yeah, they made a business decision, which their fans will remember till the end of time.

 

[FlyguyOX]

So the Flyers got beaten by an AHL team ?

No, by a bunch of divers and incompetent officiating

His last nice play in the game was an epic dive

You mean getting slashed and then cross checked 4 times by a clown?

Hutson needs some goals. At least 5 to 10. Nothing is less sure this season. Michkov at this point has to get hurt. It's his trophy to lose. I hope Hutson if he continues that way gets top 3 though. For every people who were skeptic he could hold his own...he deserves it.

Needs to be able to play defense and PK1 for any shot

The way you use victimhood to claim the moral high ground and justify your misplaced outrage is simply spectacular.

NHL GM: “We made a business decision based on the best information available to us at the time.”

You (probably): “It’s xenophobic hate, pure and simple.”

No, he said it’s prejudice and he’s correct. Prejudicing some kids was stupid then and looks even more stupid now.

 

[ole ole]

His last nice play in the game was an epic dive

More an obvious embellishment. He did get tapped on his protective gear.

 

[wetcoast]

I prefer Hutson over Faber, that's for sure



Let's do a poll at the end of the Season

Hutson as no real numbers to show, he's still just a rookie
But at this point in time, Hutson is kicking ass

Why wait though as this is HF boards where the new shiny object always gets a bump and Faber has "regressed" scoring wise.

Faber is a true #1 NHL Dman in value and like I said before Habs fans should be elated if Hutson reaches the value of Faber and even if he doesn't there is no shame in that as being a top 50 Dman in the NHL is still something to desire.

 

[Guadana]

The way you use victimhood to claim the moral high ground and justify your misplaced outrage is simply spectacular.

NHL GM: “We made a business decision based on the best information available to us at the time.”

You (probably): “It’s xenophobic hate, pure and simple.”

That was bad business decision. It was obvious from the beginning(reasons were , it is more obvious now.
All the reasons were voiced at the moment, it makes no sense to repeat them. Michkov himself personally said that he participated in all the interviews, that he was ready to play in any team.
When asked specifically about Arizona, he replied that he was also ready to play in Arizona, thereby closing the issue of rumors.
A lot was said about him, especially from Montreal (small, character, weak defensive game, one side player etc. In the end they were right about his size), but for some reason no one said that he refused them. Because he didn't do it. This would be used first. But it was impossible to lie, because Michkov would directly say that he did not do this and could later arrange an image protection procedure. That's why no one said it - he didn't do it.

And now he is playing and producing like first liner as 19 yo rookie with more goals and points than any player who was drafted before. It didnt come from outer space, he didnt find new gear, everything were there way before the draft, everything were there in the draft day, he produced and produced over the level of any player before on any level, he was the same talented player as he is now.

It was bad decision because of any reason gms decided to find to not draft him. Russian players played in NHL, they signed contracts, they traveled to NA, the only one person was Fedotov who was not the victim of evil regime but who was made his own mistakes to find himself in his situation. I see some NA players are doing their own mistkaes, it doesnt mean that every NA hockey players are rapists and NA hockey system is making rapists on a regular basis. There are more problems with NCAA players now.

 

[bleedgreen]

That was bad business decision. It was obvious from the beginning(reasons were , it is more obvious now.
All the reasons were voiced at the moment, it makes no sense to repeat them. Michkov himself personally said that he participated in all the interviews, that he was ready to play in any team.
When asked specifically about Arizona, he replied that he was also ready to play in Arizona, thereby closing the issue of rumors.
A lot was said about him, especially from Montreal (small, character, weak defensive game, one side player etc. In the end they were right about his size), but for some reason no one said that he refused them. Because he didn't do it. This would be used first. But it was impossible to lie, because Michkov would directly say that he did not do this and could later arrange an image protection procedure. That's why no one said it - he didn't do it.

And now he is playing and producing like first liner as 19 yo rookie with more goals and points than any player who was drafted before. It didnt come from outer space, he didnt find new gear, everything were there way before the draft, everything were there in the draft day, he produced and produced over the level of any player before on any level, he was the same talented player as he is now.

It was bad decision because of any reason gms decided to find to not draft him. Russian players played in NHL, they signed contracts, they traveled to NA, the only one person was Fedotov who was not the victim of evil regime but who was made his own mistakes to find himself in his situation. I see some NA players are doing their own mistkaes, it doesnt mean that every NA hockey players are rapists and NA hockey system is making rapists on a regular basis. There are more problems with NCAA players now.

Uhhhh….the gms get plenty of information we don’t get. It doesn’t matter what Michkov said or says now. Teams were perfectly reasonable being concerned about the situation, and he had to get out of a contract to be here. Yes it all happened and it’s great for the Flyers but bagging on teams for their reads on the lay of the land at that time is pointless on top of falling short. We as fans don’t know more than they do in those moments.

More importantly….who cares? Teams take the guys that make sense to them in the moment and life goes on. Good for the kid to be here earlier than expected and playing so well, and congrats to the Flyers.

 

[coooldude]

Hehe, yeah, they made a business decision, which their fans will remember till the end of time.

And we know, Comrade, that you will also remember it and mention it in every thread you can until the end of time. What fun for everyone.

 

[Guadana]

Uhhhh….the gms get plenty of information we don’t get. It doesn’t matter what Michkov said or says now. Teams were perfectly reasonable being concerned about the situation, and he had to get out of a contract to be here. Yes it all happened and it’s great for the Flyers but bagging on teams for their reads on the lay of the land at that time is pointless on top of falling short. We as fans don’t know more than they do in those moments.

More importantly….who cares? Teams take the guys that make sense to them in the moment and life goes on. Good for the kid to be here earlier than expected and playing so well, and congrats to the Flyers.

Yeah. tonns of informations, but still they are making stupid decisions on the draft again and again. That was another one.

Anyway I still can understand jacktes - they hardly needed in center. May be Ducks. Other than that - it was a messive fail.

 

[Kshahdoo]

And we know, Comrade, that you will also remember it and mention it in every thread you can until the end of time. What fun for everyone.

I assure you, they remember it way better than I. Because I don't care and they do...

 

[coooldude]

I assure you, they remember it way better than I. Because I don't care and they do...

If you didn't care, you wouldn't bring it up every chance you get.

 

[Kshahdoo]

If you didn't care, you wouldn't bring it up every chance you get.

First, it was the first time for the last month or two, or even more (I don't actually remember), and second, I loved that phraze about "business decision" way too much so I couldn't resist.

 

[Team_Spirit]

He's not playing enough games? Seems the Flames split 50/50

Daily face-off ranks the race as; MM, Celebrini,Wolf, Stankoven, Hutson.

Calder Trophy Rankings Update: Flames’ Dustin Wolf, Sharks’ Macklin Celebrini coming alive

Matvei Michkov is still No. 1, but the race is tightening.

www.dailyfaceoff.com

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

OP called it. One of the best Calder classes I can remember. Michkov, Cellebrini, Hutson… just awesome. Dustin Wolf has been great as well.

 

[ViD]

Matvei might just score 80 this season

 

[Mattb124]

If you didn't care, you wouldn't bring it up every chance you get.

Obviously to reinforce just how little they care.

Funny though that the same poster who cared so little about the teams which passed on drafting Michkov started a thread questioning how refs could call his obvious dives dives.

No better way to demonstrate just how little they care.

 

[Studz]

Gotta say Michkov looks to be even better than Bedard. Great grab by Philly and i'm also patting myself on the back for getting him in my keeper league. Hopefully my keeper league doesn't ban Russian players. But i'm thinking the dumb GMs who grabbed other players before Michkov would love that to happen.