2024-25 Calder Race

[Phrasing]

If you think that Hutson is only a PP specialist, hockey ain't for you

By that same token, if you don’t believe Faber is more all-rounded than Hutson, not sure hockey is for you.

Hutson is offensively very gifted. He’s got growing to do in other areas.

 

[FlyguyOX]

If you think that Hutson is only a PP specialist, hockey ain't for you

How's he helped the PK this year?

Not to mention Hutson is one of the worst D on the habs in terms of play-driving or rather chance/quality chance differential. He creates the most but gives up the most. Basically what everyone expected.

 

[GrumpyKoala]

Got to pump up those number
thoses are rookie nu...

oh wait...

 

[SjMilhouse]

It will be hilarious if Celebrini and Michkov both lose to someone else.

 

[wetcoast]

If Michkov becomes Kucherov 2.0 and Celebrini becomes Barkov 2.0 it's still Kuch 2.0 all the time...

Sure but those are 2 pretty big ifs and we didn't expect Kucherov to become Kucherov.

 

[wetcoast]

Since 2020-21 season Barkov has scored 331 points in 277 games. So you say Celebrini will have much better stats than 1.2 point/game? I very doubt it.

I'd actually wouldn't be surprised if Celebrini was close to that cherry picked time frame production wise.

Put another way in his 4 year peak Celebrini could very well have that type of production.

 

[karltonian]

Again, I still have no idea how geopolitics has anything to do with a hockey player playing in the NHL, outside of xenophobia.

That would be ignorance on your part. Countries were considering sanctioning Russia to the point of restricting entry for Russian citizens and it was an issue that very year for obvious reasons. Russia had just invaded a sovereign country and started a war that could have, and has now, seen the deaths of tens of thousands of people and hundreds of thousands of causalities. Russian sports competitors were banned and remain banned on some world stages. Russia itself could have decided to restrict its players in response to sanctions.

Just because you weren't paying attention or already forgot doesn't mean it didn't happen. I don't think the future of Russian players in the NHL is even to be taken for granted now.

 

[karltonian]

Not surprising he fell. A bit surprising he fell to 7. Different sport, but Jalen Carter effectively killed someone drunk driving after the national championship and the birds still took him 9th. I would think Manslaughter is scarier than Michkov's situation

The picture for your profile leads me to believe you are Sharks fan, which happens to be the team I think had the abosolute least to lose by taking Michkov. Just imagine a powerplay of :

Michkov - Celebrini - Eklund
(Hagens/Martone/Misa) - Dickinson

I'm sure Smith will be good, he does have solid potential to be star one day. That said, it is tough to imagine the above lineup and not think, "damnnnnn"

The Sharks at the time had one of the most to lose. Celebrini was not a consideration, obviously no one counted on getting him. If he's part of your thinking then you need to throw that line of thinking out. They were crashing hard to the bottom of the league with terrible contract troubles and a very very bleak outlook.

They needed a player that was most guaranteed to play and make an impact in the NHL and could not risk Michkov not working out for whatever reason. They had already lost out on Stutzle so they could not gamble like that again.

 

[FlyguyOX]

That would be ignorance on your part. Countries were considering sanctioning Russia to the point of restricting entry for Russian citizens and it was an issue that very year for obvious reasons. Russia had just invaded a sovereign country and started a war that could have, and has now, seen the deaths of tens of thousands of people and hundreds of thousands of causalities. Russian sports competitors were banned and remain banned on some world stages. Russia itself could have decided to restrict its players in response to sanctions.

Just because you weren't paying attention or already forgot doesn't mean it didn't happen. I don't think the future of Russian players in the NHL is even to be taken for granted now.

Maybe that was rhetoric on extreme portions of the internet. I did not see any of that talk in reasonable places.

You still think russian players have any danger to not playing in the NHL even now? Goodness, ok, yeah I think you're just in a different information bubble.

 

[SannywithoutCompy]

He is a pretty crappy power play specialist if he actually is one.

Lol what?

 

[Barrie22]

Lol what?

A specialist on the power play should have more then 6 points so far. Good player but not close to a power play specialist.

 

[SannywithoutCompy]

A specialist on the power play should have more then 6 points so far. Good player but not close to a power play specialist.

A guy who played the majority of the year with a 2nd unit powerplay featuring Armia, Gallagher, Newhook, and Anderson should have produced more? It's a miracle he produced at all lmao

 

[Bouboumaster]

He is a pretty crappy power play specialist if he actually is one.

He is one, a good one, but he's also a solid defenseman overall

I know your team as been shit for years, but you don't have to spread the salt over here

By that same token, if you don’t believe Faber is more all-rounded than Hutson, not sure hockey is for you.

Hutson is offensively very gifted. He’s got growing to do in other areas.

I think that Hutson's potential is >> Faber
He ain't physical, obviously, but he's able to steal the puck and he's able to battle a bit too in the corners
And obviously, on the offensive side of thing, he blows up Faber out of the goddamn water too

How's he helped the PK this year?

Not to mention Hutson is one of the worst D on the habs in terms of play-driving or rather chance/quality chance differential. He creates the most but gives up the most. Basically what everyone expected.

This is some f***ing terrible takes right there

 

[Phrasing]

He is one, a good one, but he's also a solid defenseman overall

I know your team as been shit for years, but you don't have to spread the salt over here



I think that Hutson's potential is >> Faber
He ain't physical, obviously, but he's able to steal the puck and he's able to battle a bit too in the corners
And obviously, on the offensive side of thing, he blows up Faber out of the goddamn water too




This is some f***ing terrible takes right there

What the hell does potential have to do with who is better all-around now? Are you sure you know what you’re reading and responding to?

 

[Bouboumaster]

What the hell does potential have to do with who is better all-around now? Are you sure you know what you’re reading and responding to?

At the end of the day, give me a potential superstar over any Faber out there

And I know what I respond to, I respond to a bad opinion

 

[FlyguyOX]

This is some f***ing terrible takes right there

It’s not a take. It’s the facts

 

[Mattb124]

That would be ignorance on your part. Countries were considering sanctioning Russia to the point of restricting entry for Russian citizens and it was an issue that very year for obvious reasons. Russia had just invaded a sovereign country and started a war that could have, and has now, seen the deaths of tens of thousands of people and hundreds of thousands of causalities. Russian sports competitors were banned and remain banned on some world stages. Russia itself could have decided to restrict its players in response to sanctions.

Just because you weren't paying attention or already forgot doesn't mean it didn't happen. I don't think the future of Russian players in the NHL is even to be taken for granted now.

Not to mention Michkov’s dad died tragically in a mysterious manner prior to the draft - during the timeframe when Russian Oligarchs were randomly falling out of windows or down stairs to their deaths. In retrospect seemingly unrelated, but that likely crept into the minds of some when making drafting decisions.

 

[Mattb124]

Maybe that was rhetoric on extreme portions of the internet. I did not see any of that talk in reasonable places.

You still think russian players have any danger to not playing in the NHL even now? Goodness, ok, yeah I think you're just in a different information bubble.

An information bubble where Ivan Fedotov exists? I think you are confusing hindsight for reasonable(ness).

 

[PhysicalGraffiti]

That would be ignorance on your part. Countries were considering sanctioning Russia to the point of restricting entry for Russian citizens and it was an issue that very year for obvious reasons. Russia had just invaded a sovereign country and started a war that could have, and has now, seen the deaths of tens of thousands of people and hundreds of thousands of causalities. Russian sports competitors were banned and remain banned on some world stages. Russia itself could have decided to restrict its players in response to sanctions.

Just because you weren't paying attention or already forgot doesn't mean it didn't happen. I don't think the future of Russian players in the NHL is even to be taken for granted now.

Just because it happened doesn't make it right.

To punish innocent hard working athletes for the actions of their politicians is asinine. The whole guilt by association thing is even less relevant considering the only "association" per se is their country of birth.

I mean what a thing to tell a kid. Hey I know you've trained your ass off to get to the NHL and have no involvement in a war or politics, but because the leader of your nation did you're disqualified.

The acceptance of prejudice occurring is wild considering it's 2024. And so many Americans and Canadians like to pride themselves on being "progressive" yet they are demonizing people for where they were born. I can't understand how one can rationalize that.

Precluding Russia from this upcoming nations tournament makes the tournament invalid and punishes players like Vasy, Sorokin, Kucherov, Panarin, Kaprizov and many others for nothing.

 

[wetcoast]

Celebrini and Michkov face basically the exact same quality of competition according to the analytics.

You're confusing sheltered for being the most skilled and best playmaker on the team. Of course he's getting Ozone draws.

The sheltered ozone starts are factual despite your false narrative to say otherwise.

 

[Hennessy]

Remember that thread where random fans would post about who might win the Calder?
No?
Well, since the Flames are here...
Landeskog.

 

[wetcoast]

At the end of the day, give me a potential superstar over any Faber out there

And I know what I respond to, I respond to a bad opinion

Habs fans can only hope that Hutson reaches the overall value that Faber will, this isn't fantasy hockey and both defense and offense matters.

 

[ole ole]

Habs fans can only hope that Hutson reaches the overall value that Faber will, this isn't fantasy hockey and both defense and offense matters.

I'll take Hutson over Faber 10 out of 10 times.

 

[Bouboumaster]

Habs fans can only hope that Hutson reaches the overall value that Faber will, this isn't fantasy hockey and both defense and offense matters.

I'll take Hutson over Faber 10 out of 10 times.

Right on

Also we already have Guhle who can do Faber's job anyway

 

[CatOTails]

That would be ignorance on your part. Countries were considering sanctioning Russia to the point of restricting entry for Russian citizens and it was an issue that very year for obvious reasons. Russia had just invaded a sovereign country and started a war that could have, and has now, seen the deaths of tens of thousands of people and hundreds of thousands of causalities. Russian sports competitors were banned and remain banned on some world stages. Russia itself could have decided to restrict its players in response to sanctions.

Just because you weren't paying attention or already forgot doesn't mean it didn't happen. I don't think the future of Russian players in the NHL is even to be taken for granted now.

It's quite admiring that you've stopped thinking.
Take a chill pill and move on.