I was purely referring to his leadership aspects and physicality/willingness to go to the dirty areas. Never mentioned defense.not so sure about that part, have you watched his defensive game at all? his skating starts to fall apart when he needs to react quickly. he might get by with it in the minors but it won't work in the nhl. yager has his own problems but lets not think McGro's the next coming of ovenchicken.
edit; just go back and watch him trying to penalty kill the last game,
I think you’re underestimating them a little. Fantalli is going to be a beast. They have one the better young cores in the league. Kent Johnson, Jiricek, Mateychuk, Brindley, Lindstrom, Dumais. A year or two from now they’re going to be a really talented, young group.Playing CBJ’s A roster is a lot like playing Hershey lol…tonight’s roster
“This group will have their work cut out from them, the Blue Jackets are dressing an NHL-worthy roster in their final home tune up for the regular season.”
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Gonna play with the vets tomorrow night…he’s a backup tonight
I've seen nothing in camp from Hayes that suggests he's outplaying Eller.
Eller would be my 3C to start the season.
By that I mean the line that will play more, not just what's written on the depth chart.
If Hayes earns 3C throughout the season, swap them at that time. Merit based system.
Ideally both lines play well and their deployment is somewhat similar.
Don't have any clue where you dreamed up that Sutter comparison, but my overall point is that the Pens having both. You could easily go the other way with McGroarty. Other than being a year older/picked a year sooner there only seems like one is fast tracking sooner.If McGroarty ends up a 60 point top-6 LW while Yager becomes Brandon Sutter 2.0 (which is an absolute possibility), the Penguins clearly won the trade.
The McGroarty-Yager trade is simple: the Penguins simply thought McGroarty was a better prospect than Yager. That's all there is to it. And considering their rankings, it's hard to say that they're wrong with that analysis. The two are on the same tier of prospects but McGroarty is clearly ranked higher according to pretty much every prospect ranking I've seen.
Don't have any clue where you dreamed up that Sutter comparison, but my overall point is that the Pens having both. You could easily go the other way with McGroarty. Other than being a year older/picked a year sooner there only seems like one is fast tracking sooner.
One could say the Peg won that trade and that their fruit is only on the vine an extra year.
The Peg were put into a corner and came out smelling like roses.
That's kind of my point about it maybe being a good thing. If Brunicke wasn't a serious contender for a spot in the regular season you would still probably "reward" him with more games in the preseason and see how he plays in back to backs.he’s with the NHLers
Didn't he push that to the side the minute the Pens traded for him? So yeah, he still had Michigan. Doesn't change they'd still be getting lowballed.Didn't he have 2 years of Michigan eligibility left?
And chances are neither will make any difference before Sid or Geno hang em up. And they both project as complementary pieces.
Beauvillier would cover the lack of speed and sort of act as the first guy in on the forecheck role.Deserving of it, I've been extremely happy with what Puljujarvi has shown in camp so far. I really like the Hayes-Puljujarvi C/W duo, I don't know who will be the LWer for that line but I like the combination those two offer. We've already talked about McGroarty there and I think he fits that best, but I also think Beauvillier could make sense in that role.
I guess that brings up an interesting philosophical question though. If you have a slower C/W duo like Hayes-Puljujarvi is, do you want a speedster LW to cover up the speed issues with that duo or a slower guy who can play at the same pace of that C/W duo?
So just anything to help your case. Nothing like he could also take off and be a legitimate 2c, or in this case, the Pens in a rebuild as the #1. Whereas Sutter came in behind Sid/Geno taking over where Staal left off and hurt everything he was doing in Carolina? Further stunting him progressing.Because it's an entirely reasonable result for Yager's development? Brandon Sutter was taken 11th overall back in the day and had an extremely similar skillset to Yager. It is entirely feasible that is all Yager ends up being. You made the claim that McGroarty would have to be Guentzel caliber for the Penguins to win that trade, which is silly because Yager could easily not pan out into being anything special. If McGroarty ends up a better player than Yager, the Penguins won the trade. It's that simple.
You can repeat "the Penguins could have had both" all you want, but the reality is that Winnipeg wasn't trading McGroarty unless they got back something good. They weren't trading McGroarty for Pickering and a 2nd rounder, and if the Penguins think McGroarty is a better prospect than Yager, it's a no brainer to swap the two.
So just anything to help your case. Nothing like he could also take off and be a legitimate 2c, or in this case, the Pens in a rebuild as the #1. Whereas Sutter came in behind Sid/Geno taking over where Staal left off and hurt everything he was doing in Carolina? Further stunting him progressing.
Who knows what they would actually accept considering Dubas offered up, Yager. That's the point, nobody else was offering up that type of prospect. Nor should they.
Who's to say who is better than who. It's a judgement call that can easily go either way.
But if Yager is even similar to McGroarty I'm sorry, but... Center over Wing all day.
on that we agree.I was purely referring to his leadership aspects and physicality/willingness to go to the dirty areas. Never mentioned defense.
I see Sullivan has learned a new word this offseason and he keeps using it: Rangy.
Blomqvist is rangy with his movement
Brunicke is long and rangy
What does this mean?
Remember when this team loved using the term "denter"?
Like, Harrison Ruopp is a denter.
Absolutely! Center is the premium position, if all is equal or even close, you opt for the Center.But if Yager is even similar to McGroarty I'm sorry, but... Center over Wing all day.
You are the one suggesting Sutter. Nowhere was Sutter ever mentioned in "any" talks. It's only in your brain where this is reality. The point was if Yager was top anywhere around McGroarty that being a center takes the the whole case in point.I never said Yager couldn't hit that kind of upside? I was responding to this "McGroarty has to end up as good as Guentzel or this deal is a loss for the Penguins" idea. If Yager only ends up a Sutter type, which is entirely reasonable possibility based on their skillsets and where both were drafted, and McGroarty ends up a top-6 winger, the Penguins won the trade. It's that simple. McGroarty ending up the better player means the Penguins won the trade, there is no need for McGroarty to somehow be elite or else the Penguins lose the deal.
Trying to nickel and dime the Jets into trading McGroarty for shit, which they weren't going to do, would just result in the Penguins not getting McGroarty. If the Penguins thought Yager was an inferior prospect to McGroarty, they would have been absolute morons to say no to that deal. There is no situation where the Penguins could have had both Yager and McGroarty, and if you had to pick one, the Penguins should pick the one they think is better.
You are the one suggesting Sutter. Nowhere was Sutter ever mentioned in "any" talks. It's only in your brain where this is reality. The point was if Yager was top anywhere around McGroarty that being a center takes the the whole case in point.
Trying to nickle dime a GM in a bad spot is exactly what other GM's should be doing. Are the Peg going to add in future considerations for the Pens doing them a solid?
Holly crap batman.... You never know what they'll take if you don't push the envelope.
Some GM's know how to push and make those deals. This is a GM that gave up a 1st and a bunch of crap to get EK at 10.0 x 4 at 33 years old.
I don't know, I'm not much of giving like to like when the other guy has no pull.
McGroarty would have to be at Jake levels to wash away Yager's center attribute. A mere 20G/20A - 40/50 point winger isn't going to cut it if Yager is remotely the same to better at center. For one, you can move forward with Yager as one of the top 2 center positions, McGroarty would need such a center in a few years they likely won't have with all of them aging out. Which brings that position all the more important moving forward. Openings both at 2C/3C. 1C a mere year after that.
That's because both were top six and Yager being the center, yes, he'll need to be Guenzel good to be rated higher than Yager.Maybe you shouldn't say "McGroarty has to be as good as Guentzel" if that's not what you meant, because you literally said "McGroarty would have to be at Jake levels" here:
If Yager only ends up another Sutter caliber guy, which is entirely reasonable considering their play styles and where each was drafted, it's ridiculous to say "McGroarty has to end up as good as Guentzel because Yager plays center".
I think you're just super overrating Yager. He's not a guarantee to stick at center in the first place and his upside at center only seems to be a 2C caliber guy. I don't think McGroarty's upside is that higher than that, but I don't think of Yager as having this super high upside that the Penguins will somehow regret trading him. They clearly win the trade if McGroarty ends up Guentzel 2.0.
Yeah, I am with you here.That's because both were top six and Yager being the center, yes, he'll need to be Guenzel good to be rated higher than Yager.
Keep up with the program.
Edit: And my entire point is the Pens should have both. END////
That's because both were top six and Yager being the center, yes, he'll need to be Guenzel good to be rated higher than Yager.
Keep up with the program.
Edit: And my entire point is the Pens should have both. END////
That said, Puustinen needs a huge game tonight or else he is a goner. Sad but true. Poulin is already a goner. It would be really bad if we lost two forwards for nothing. We cannot afford that. I am certain that if we waived Glass and Beauvillier, they would clear. But we won't do that. That is not what this team does. This team loves its middling players that lack untapped upside, and love dumping players with untapped upside.
Sullivan is probably preparing for Nieto to play on that Eller-Acciari line, which would suck. And Lizotte is probably going to take McGroarty's spot when healthy.
So let's enjoy these games with actual upside in the lineup.
Yeah, I am with you here.
As for Brayden Yager, everyone here HOPES he turns into Brandon Sutter. I think he could become another Nick Suzuki.
Just stop dude, I never brought McGroarty down to Sutter levels to prove a point. Not only that, but he had to play behind Sid/Geno compared to moving to 2c in Carolina. It was a poor comparison.If Yager ends up a William Karlsson clone, the idea that McGroarty has to end up a Guentzel clone for the Penguins to "win" that deal is just dumb. Guentzel is a borderline top-10 winger in hockey while Karlsson is just a good 2C. Guentzel is clearly and obviously the better player between the two.
And again, there is no situation where the Penguins could have gotten both. Just repeating it over and over again doesn't magically make it true. Winnipeg would simply have held onto him and let him go back to Michigan over trading him for pennies on the dollar.