GDT: 2024-2025 Training Camp

[BlindWillyMcHurt]

I think the assessment of Beau being a slightly lesser TK seems about right.

Dunno how much this team needs something like that but we'll see I guess.

You guys remind me of @Gurglesons and @Ryder71. You can decide for yourselves which one is which.

You take the fun right outta livin' you know that? Fine fine... done.

 

[DesertedPenguin]

You take the fun right outta livin' you know that? Fine fine... done.

At least I retain my sense of humor during our disagreements.

 

[BlindWillyMcHurt]

At least I retain my sense of humor during our disagreements.

I don't mind talking with you in the slightest... generally enjoy it, actually. I don't care how much we disagree. Shit that's half the point of being here, man.

 

[DesertedPenguin]

Sounds like Karlsson won't miss time, but Brunicke definitely seems to be winning the staff over.

Has Sullivan praised Pickering to this extent before? If he has, it doesn't ring a bell.

 

[BlindWillyMcHurt]

Pickering hasn't garnered much praise that I'm aware of, no. Then again this is really the first time he has been available for camp/preseason, yes?

Regardless I get the feeling sometimes that he was "the last guy's pick" or whatever. I was pretty impressed with his game the other day with the big boys, though.

 

[SEALBound]

 

[Factorial]

Not one to crap on someone who’s just passed so let’s just say great hitter/all around player. Full stop.

Yeah, that mental image of him spiking the ball on the third out pisses me off.

 

[Gurglesons]

Sounds like Karlsson won't miss time, but Brunicke definitely seems to be winning the staff over.

Has Sullivan praised Pickering to this extent before? If he has, it doesn't ring a bell.

I mean Brunicke looks better than Pickering.

 

[Sike Mullivan]

Is anybody going to the game tonight? Its $1 hot dog night, but you are only allowed 4 at a time. I could use an extra set of hands.

 

[Bishop7979]

Yeah it sucks that Puustinen isn't doing anything to make Sullivan reconsider his thoughts on him. I think Sullivan is being dumb with Puustinen but Puustinen isn't doing anything to force Sullivan to change his mind.

Puustinen has absolutely been outplayed by Puljujarvi and McGroarty so far IMO. I'm not 100% on both of them being in the lineup but I have a hard time having Puustinen above either of those two right now. I'm not sure whether Beauvillier can play RW, but I'm coming more around to this bottom-6:

McGroarty-Eller-Beauvillier
Lizotte-Hayes-Puljujarvi

I still feel that it isn't going to hurt McG to play top line AHL minutes even if it's for a few months to help him transition to thee pros instead of playing with Eller or Hayes in the bottom six.

I don't want Sullivan to turn him into some vanilla grinder. If he established himself as a offensive player getting top minutes in the A maybe he doesn't get "developed" into some "safe" third line forward too afraid to make a mistake who doesn't produce.

I'd also rather go with one heavy bottom six line and one buzz saw speedy bottom six line if Puus and McG are both WB bound.

Hayes Eller acari is the heavy line and
Three of: Liz/poolparty/beau/glass make up the other. Split their ice time pretty much 50/50.

I still think if acari gets consistent time at wing instead of center opinions on him will change, and, he becomes a player with some value at the deadline, just like Eller will have.

Eller is a guy teams like Boston and the rangers should be looking at and I could see Florida or Detroit could be a good fit for acari.

 

[BlindWillyMcHurt]

Is anybody going to the game tonight? Its $1 hot dog night, but you are only allowed 4 at a time. I could use an extra set of hands.

I mean Phil Kessel isn't signed anywhere right now.

 

[Sike Mullivan]

I mean Phil Kessel isn't signed anywhere right now.

I asked him first but got no reply on twitter. HF was my 2nd best bet.

 

[BlindWillyMcHurt]

I asked him first but got no reply on twitter. HF was my 2nd best bet.

I can definitely see how you came to that conclusion, yeah.

I bet Phil puts ketchup on his, anyway. You don't want that kind of company.

 

[pistolpete11]

I haven't watched a second of preseason, so I'm not saying Puusy has stood out, but...

Even if he were to, what's the difference? He stood out last year when playing next to Malkin and all it got him was demoted to the 3rd line and his ice time cut significantly.

 

[DesertedPenguin]

I mean Brunicke looks better than Pickering.

I think Pickering has been OK for his first camp. I just found it interesting that they're really high on Brunicke as an 18-year-old. I'd expect this kind of praise for a guy who maybe had a camp or two under his belt and was potentially taking the next step.

 

[Empoleon8771]

I haven't watched a second of preseason, so I'm not saying Puusy has stood out, but...

Even if he were to, what's the difference? He stood out last year when playing next to Malkin and all it got him was demoted to the 3rd line and his ice time cut significantly.

Puustinen seems like he's on the outside looking in right now and playing well in pre-season could possibly sway Sullivan. But Puustinen is doing nothing to actually push the case for him having a roster spot.

His performance last year suggests that he shouldn't be in this situation with Sullivan, but since he is, it's up to him to prove Sullivan wrong and force Sullivan's hand to give him a lineup spot. But he has absolutely not done that, at least not in the pre-season games. He's absolutely invisible out there.

 

[chethejet]

Pickering has to grow into his body and develop his game and body. Brunicke is already developed in his size mostly. Yes he will add size and strength but he is body seeing his body add 30 pounds.

 

[eXile3]

Lizotte and especially Beau have had some nice years but our bottom 6 is where production goes to die so 7 pts in like 62 games feels in the cards


That’s pretty interesting. 66-82 tracks but sub average is wild relative to eye test. Is that all categories?

Just top speed. He could have been hurt.

 

[Gurglesons]

I think Pickering has been OK for his first camp. I just found it interesting that they're really high on Brunicke as an 18-year-old. I'd expect this kind of praise for a guy who maybe had a camp or two under his belt and was potentially taking the next step.

I mean Brunicke looks like an NHLer and has been downright dominant. Reminds me of Marino.

 

[Sidney the Kidney]

Weren't you the guy who called a 55-point player a tweener yesterday? Dial down the condescension bud.

No? I said Bunting was a complimentary third wheel who's not your typical first liner. You're the one going on a crusade about how his production isn't much different than Jake's if he got the same usage.

And you wonder why people "fight" with you. You seem to like to throw jabs even when they're not necessary.

 

[Tom Hanks]

I asked him first but got no reply on twitter. HF was my 2nd best bet.

Phil has a 20 hotdog at a time minimum.

 

[AuroraBorealis]

You're the one going on a crusade about how his production isn't much different than Jake's if he got the same usage.

I backed it up with the numbers. If the career rates stayed constant, and he got Jake's deployment, he'd be 12% back of Jake in points.
That number would go down if he got the same empty net deployment too.

I'm not giving my opinion here. That's legit where he's at.
You can choose to accept that or not. It won't change the facts.

If you wanna argue he'll regress that's another matter.

 

[CheckingLineCenter]

The problem is assuming a rate stays constant as the sample increases. It likely doesn’t.

I mean Brunicke looks like an NHLer and has been downright dominant. Reminds me of Marino.

You hate Marino

 

[Sidney the Kidney]

I backed it up with the numbers. If the career rates stayed constant, and he got Jake's deployment, he'd be 12% back of Jake in points.
That number would go down if he got the same empty net deployment too.

I'm not giving my opinion here. That's legit where he's at.
You can choose to accept that or not. It won't change the facts.

If you wanna argue he'll regress that's another matter.

So if he doesn't score 80+ points this year you'll what? Quit posting? Admit you were talking out of your ass? Because you're going on and on about a guy with a career high of 63 points and who is coming off a 54 point season as though he's on Jake's level.

 

[Sidney the Kidney]

The problem is assuming a rate stays constant as the sample increases. It likely doesn’t.

It also assumes Bunting has the same skill level to produce on the PP that Jake did. Again, people who use rate stats and just assume that those rates will remain constant with more usage are already arguing from a flawed point.