Rumor: 2024-2025 Trade Rumors and Free Agency Talk | The Slow Crawl to the Season

[Foppa2118]

Looking at the D man options. @RoyIsALegend or anyone else, can you sell me on Marcus Petterson? I haven't watched him closely enough out east, and wasn't able to catch the Pens game the other day.

The Avs need their D man acquisition to help them defensively and on the PK. They don't have a strong need for offensive support. How is Petterson defensively compared to say Manson?

Was him getting walked by Val an anomaly for him, or a bit of a known pattern?

Is he better, worse, or about the same defensively as Oleksiak, who I also haven't followed too closely recently?

Is Petterson solid defensively, or more of a 25-30 point defenseman, that's average defensively, and more of an offensive guy, than a two way, or defensive guy?

Like Oleksiak, Petterson leads his team in PK time, so that's a good thing. On a 9th ranked PK compared to 19th in Seattle too.

I see he's not overly physical though, despite his height, and he's a bit lanky at 6'5" 174 lbs. Also see he was the NHL's most hit player himself at one point, which is somewhat concerning given the Avs injury history.

He needs to be healthy enough to play in the playoffs, especially with Manson so injury prone, as the only other big body.

 

[RoyIsALegend]

Looking at the D man options. @RoyIsALegend or anyone else, can you sell me on Marcus Petterson? I haven't watched him closely enough out east, and wasn't able to catch the Pens game the other day.

The Avs need their D man acquisition to help them defensively and on the PK. They don't have a strong need for offensive support. How is Petterson defensively compared to say Manson?

Was him getting walked by Val an anomaly for him, or a bit of a known pattern?

Is he better, worse, or about the same defensively as Oleksiak, who I also haven't followed too closely recently?

Is Petterson solid defensively, or more of a 25-30 point defenseman, that's average defensively, and more of an offensive guy, than a two way, or defensive guy?

Like Oleksiak, Petterson leads his team in PK time, so that's a good thing. On a 9th ranked PK compared to 19th in Seattle too.

I see he's not overly physical though, despite his height, and he's a bit lanky at 6'5" 174 lbs. Also see he was the NHL's most hit player himself at one point, which is somewhat concerning given the Avs injury history.

He needs to be healthy enough to play in the playoffs, especially with Manson so injury prone, as the only other big body.

Pettersson is a big, rangy defenseman with above average skating for his size. He doesn't really play all that physical but will rub his man out. Won't be knocking anybody head over heels or going out of his way for a big hit. Hot and cold defensively. Not as good defensively as he probably should be or what people who don't watch him regularly think he is. Capable of a good first pass and can skate the puck up ice. A two-way defenseman more than either an offensive or defensive specialist. He's strong on the PK because he has the agility to close down players and use his long reach, whereas a guy like Oleksiak is a pure crease clearer type.

Oleksiak is better defensively, there's no question about that.

My main concern with Oleksiak is he will be another guy who either passes sideways to Malinski or he'll be rifling poor passes up ice.

We have one of the worst and undisciplined breakouts in the league. The Avs breakout will regularly have all 3 forwards out of the defensive zone, usually two guys through the neutral zone and one guy at the opposition blueline. Nobody is circling deep for a short breakout pass and making themselves available to the D.

A Bednar defenseman has to be able to:

A) retrieve the puck with speed
B) be comfortable skating it up ice and out of the zone themselves, usually evading forechecking pressure
C) be able to consistently make 25-30 foot passes to forwards that are way too high on the breakout

This is why we see a guy like Josh Manson trusted. He can skate very well for a big guy and move the puck up ice.

Oleksiak is an average skater, at best, and a relatively poor passer.

I just feel that a guy like that would get buried by Bednar, regardless of how much he'd help the PK and be a net front presence.

I'm not a huge Pettersson fan, but I'm trying to suggest somebody that would work with Bednar's system and still get reasonable ice-time. Pettersson can skate well, make a good first pass, and be passable defensively for the most part.

 

[Foppa2118]

Pettersson is a big, rangy defenseman with above average skating for his size. He doesn't really play all that physical but will rub his man out. Won't be knocking anybody head over heels or going out of his way for a big hit. Hot and cold defensively. Not as good defensively as he probably should be or what people who don't watch him regularly think he is. Capable of a good first pass and can skate the puck up ice. A two-way defenseman more than either an offensive or defensive specialist. He's strong on the PK because he has the agility to close down players and use his long reach, whereas a guy like Oleksiak is a pure crease clearer type.

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Oleksiak is better defensively, there's no question about that.

My main concern with Oleksiak is he will be another guy who either passes sideways to Malinski or he'll be rifling poor passes up ice.

We have one of the worst and undisciplined breakouts in the league. The Avs breakout will regularly have all 3 forwards out of the defensive zone, usually two guys through the neutral zone and one guy at the opposition blueline. Nobody is circling deep for a short breakout pass and making themselves available to the D.

A Bednar defenseman has to be able to:

A) retrieve the puck with speed
B) be comfortable skating it up ice and out of the zone themselves, usually evading forechecking pressure
C) be able to consistently make 25-30 foot passes to forwards that are way too high on the breakout

This is why we see a guy like Josh Manson trusted. He can skate very well for a big guy and move the puck up ice.

Oleksiak is an average skater, at best, and a relatively poor passer.

I just feel that a guy like that would get buried by Bednar, regardless of how much he'd help the PK and be a net front presence.

I'm not a huge Pettersson fan, but I'm trying to suggest somebody that would work with Bednar's system and still get reasonable ice-time. Pettersson can skate well, make a good first pass, and be passable defensively for the most part.

Thanks. Yeah, I agree based on that, he's a more likely addition for CMac and Bednar's preferences.

Can't comment on Oleksiak's skating and passing, as I haven't watched him closely enough lately either, but I tend to lean toward that type of D man addressing the Avs weaknesses more.

I think the breakout issue may be coachable though. They have the personnel in the top 4 at least to have a good breakout/transition game. They had a great one before with basically the same guys outside of Byram.

I just think outside of Manson, the Avs have a weakness with their down low, and net front defensive coverage. They can outscore this issue in the regular season, but in the playoffs it becomes a bigger problem, and was IMO the main reason they lost last year, along with turnovers.

 

[Lonewolfe2015]

I'm not a huge Pettersson fan, but I'm trying to suggest somebody that would work with Bednar's system and still get reasonable ice-time. Pettersson can skate well, make a good first pass, and be passable defensively for the most part.

Walker didn't work out here, I don't see Pettersson either. It's a tough system to work within, but Avs would be better pairing Malinski with someone that uses him for breakout and is better defensively. They need another PK threat. Bednar loved having Nemeth for a reason.

 

[BobRossColton]

How is Kevin Bahl looking this season? Or Erik Gustafsson ?

 

[Pokecheque]

Walker didn't work out here, I don't see Pettersson either. It's a tough system to work within, but Avs would be better pairing Malinski with someone that uses him for breakout and is better defensively. They need another PK threat. Bednar loved having Nemeth for a reason.

Walker appears to be one of those puckmovers who needs to be in a grinding defensive system to work. He was fine in LA and appears fine in Carolina, wasn’t great in Colorado. Then again pairing him with Jack Johnson and having Georgiev behind him might not have been the best idea.

How is Kevin Bahl looking this season? Or Erik Gustafsson ?

Bahl sucks. Big guy who gets walked on a nightly basis. Gustafsson is sucking this year but it’s Detroit so it’s hard to tell. Put up decent numbers his previous two seasons. I personally think he isn’t good enough defensively to warrant consideration but admittedly haven’t seen him play a ton.

 

[SoundwaveIsCharisma]

Clearly the Avs are going to sell the future for a 50% retained Panarin

 

[Hasbro]

The only issue I see with Romanov is he's due a new contract.

He's got that Rasputin guy hanging around and his wife is German.

 

[Murzu]

Clearly the Avs are going to sell the future for a 50% retained Panarin

Colton, Wood, Ritchie, Behrens and 2026 1st for Panarin 50% retained

Edit. He has NMC, not sure he'd cost that much because of that.

 

[The Moops]

Colton, Wood, Ritchie, Behrens and 2026 1st for Panarin 50% retained

Edit. He has NMC, not sure he'd cost that much because of that.

He wasn't impressed by the Colorado river last time. Not sure he will be this time either

 

[Murzu]

He wasn't impressed by the Colorado river last time. Not sure he will be this time either

I actually remember he was, but the Lupertazzi family made him an offer he could not refuse.

 

[dahrougem2]

Walker appears to be one of those puckmovers who needs to be in a grinding defensive system to work. He was fine in LA and appears fine in Carolina, wasn’t great in Colorado. Then again pairing him with Jack Johnson and having Georgiev behind him might not have been the best idea.

Looked great under Torts, too.

Very weird to be that good of a skater but struggle in a system seemingly tailormade for you.

Though I will say, his passing is dreadful. Guy can carry the puck up ice without issues but he can't pass a puck to save his life. I think Bednar realized it very quickly.

 

[The Abusement Park]

Pettersson is a big, rangy defenseman with above average skating for his size. He doesn't really play all that physical but will rub his man out. Won't be knocking anybody head over heels or going out of his way for a big hit. Hot and cold defensively. Not as good defensively as he probably should be or what people who don't watch him regularly think he is. Capable of a good first pass and can skate the puck up ice. A two-way defenseman more than either an offensive or defensive specialist. He's strong on the PK because he has the agility to close down players and use his long reach, whereas a guy like Oleksiak is a pure crease clearer type.

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Oleksiak is better defensively, there's no question about that.

My main concern with Oleksiak is he will be another guy who either passes sideways to Malinski or he'll be rifling poor passes up ice.

We have one of the worst and undisciplined breakouts in the league. The Avs breakout will regularly have all 3 forwards out of the defensive zone, usually two guys through the neutral zone and one guy at the opposition blueline. Nobody is circling deep for a short breakout pass and making themselves available to the D.

A Bednar defenseman has to be able to:

A) retrieve the puck with speed
B) be comfortable skating it up ice and out of the zone themselves, usually evading forechecking pressure
C) be able to consistently make 25-30 foot passes to forwards that are way too high on the breakout

This is why we see a guy like Josh Manson trusted. He can skate very well for a big guy and move the puck up ice.

Oleksiak is an average skater, at best, and a relatively poor passer.

I just feel that a guy like that would get buried by Bednar, regardless of how much he'd help the PK and be a net front presence.

I'm not a huge Pettersson fan, but I'm trying to suggest somebody that would work with Bednar's system and still get reasonable ice-time. Pettersson can skate well, make a good first pass, and be passable defensively for the most part.

I also think Petterson would probably look better getting out of that tire fire that is Pittsburgh right now. I think he’d be a big + on the 3rd pairing but could get by just fine on the 2nd pairing in case of injuries.

 

[Freaky Styley]

I don't think we are going to land Petterson. There will be a bidding war and a team with a greater need will get him (i.e. Vancouver). We'll be in the mix for guys a tier below him

 

[BobRossColton]

Gulyayev+1st

Petterson @ 50%
Drew O'Connor

 

[shadow1]

Walker didn't work out here, I don't see Pettersson either. It's a tough system to work within, but Avs would be better pairing Malinski with someone that uses him for breakout and is better defensively. They need another PK threat. Bednar loved having Nemeth for a reason.

Walker appears to be one of those puckmovers who needs to be in a grinding defensive system to work. He was fine in LA and appears fine in Carolina, wasn’t great in Colorado. Then again pairing him with Jack Johnson and having Georgiev behind him might not have been the best idea.

Colorado didn't do Walker any favors with his deployment, but keep in mind the Kings were healthy scratching him and (barely a year ago) sent him as a cap dump in a trade.

Carolina has been very careful with Walker's usage this year. Unlike his time with the Avs (37.8%), Carolina is giving him heavy o-zone starts (58.1%) despite only 6 points of offense. He's sixth in ice time amongst Canes defensemen (16:09), two full minutes behind Chatfield (18:25). Disclaimer that +/- doesn't matter, but Walker is tied for a team-worst -7.

Not saying he's been horrible or even bad. In fact, the underlying numbers are great. But he certainly hasn't been the difference maker he was with Philadelphia.

 

[AvStock]

Since VAN is back in the trade market, what would a Petterson and Boeser for Rants and Mittlejost sound like to you all?

 

[The Abusement Park]

Since VAN is back in the trade market, what would a Petterson and Boeser for Rants and Mittlejost sound like to you all?

Completely unrealistic.

 

[LOFIN]

Since VAN is back in the trade market, what would a Petterson and Boeser for Rants and Mittlejost sound like to you all?

Sounds f***ing awful

 

[AvStock]

Sounds f***ing awful

Why? Petterson at 2C would be killer and Boeser would be a decent winger, instead of paying Rants 12.5

 

[LOFIN]

Why? Petterson at 2C would be killer and Boeser would be a decent winger, instead of paying Rants 12.5

Petterson is playing worse than Mittelstadt now, and has done so since last spring.

 

[Chiarelli]

Petterson is playing worse than Mittelstadt now, and has done so since last spring.

He turned things around pretty immediately/drastically once JT Miller took his personal leave.

 

[Lonewolfe2015]

Not saying he's been horrible or even bad. In fact, the underlying numbers are great. But he certainly hasn't been the difference maker he was with Philadelphia.

Thanks for sharing this. I was surprised to hear he was playing well, I felt like he was a passenger in the couple games I caught and he certainly wasn't standing out to me.

The reason I brought him up is because he had a reputation of being a defensively responsible puck mover. Perfect for that 4/5 role in theory. And I don't think his puck moving was bad, as evidenced by his time in Carolina. But his defensive game was exposed in Colorado and I think that would be the case of most defenders like that we throw onto the 3rd pairing.

Let's lean on Malinski doing well and give him a reliable partner who can take #1 PK minutes and protect the goalies in the playoffs. They shouldn't be useless with the puck, but just know their strengths and play to them.

 

[LOFIN]

He turned things around pretty immediately/drastically once JT Miller took his personal leave.

He started producing, but still looks like shit.

There's a reason there's this talk about "should we trade Petterson?". That's a f***ing giant red flag.

 

[Alienblood]

Have we trade Mittlejost yet ?