Rumor: 2024-2025 Trade Rumors and Free Agency Talk | The Slow Crawl to the Season

[cinchronicity]

I guess I just don't see the point in another team giving up their 2D for Toews who's also a 2D?

A 3 team trade would make more sense, but probably doesn't happen because 3 team trades are damn hard to make work.

Perhaps I erred with shorthand. I meant a 2nd line LHD. In this hypothetical:

Girard - Makar
New 2LHD - Manson
New 3LHD - Malinski

At LHD the Avs spend $7.25 (Toews) + $5M (Girard) + $1M ( Revolving door) = $13.25M

A trade of Toews could result in $5M ( Girard) + $5M (New) + $2.25M ( New) = $12.25M

The latter would leave some pocket change for Malinski, who is an RFA next year. This is similar to the Mikko situation where a clever GM could gain enough assets that the sum would be superior to the single part -- in this case, Toews. I know this is not happening, but I'll vomit if I have to read any more unenlightened scenarios for Mikko to be traded for a haul next month.

 

[Bill Peckerskull]

 

[Bill Peckerskull]

 

[CobraAcesS]

Wahlstrom definitely busted

 

[Tommy Shelby]

Wahlstrom definitely busted

Yup, he's a slightly better OO, neither are NHL players


Nobody is going to touch Engvall's contract

 

[John Mandalorian]

Perhaps I erred with shorthand. I meant a 2nd line LHD. In this hypothetical:

Girard - Makar
New 2LHD - Manson
New 3LHD - Malinski

At LHD the Avs spend $7.25 (Toews) + $5M (Girard) + $1M ( Revolving door) = $13.25M

A trade of Toews could result in $5M ( Girard) + $5M (New) + $2.25M ( New) = $12.25M

The latter would leave some pocket change for Malinski, who is an RFA next year. This is similar to the Mikko situation where a clever GM could gain enough assets that the sum would be superior to the single part -- in this case, Toews. I know this is not happening, but I'll vomit if I have to read any more unenlightened scenarios for Mikko to be traded for a haul next month.

Has Makar seen this yet? What will he think of it?

 

[ABasin]

I'm just trying to introduce a new controversial take in order to get this thread off the Mikko track. I think @RoyIsALegend is absolutely correct: In August of 2025, Mikko is either signed or he goes UFA.

So is there a possibility of trading Toews for a decent 2LD +, then use the + and a 2026 1st for a good 3LD? Better yet a 3 team trade to get it all done. I really don't want to restart the '$250,000 too much' meme, but Toews is overpaid for what he provides the past 2 years.

I don’t want us to forget that Toews is likely dealing with an injury. I believe early in the season, Bednar said that it’s not going away any time soon (sic).

I get that this year’s results are not as good, but last season Toews put up 50 points, and (even though no one wants to acknowledge it) his defense partner was shitty defensively for chunks of the season.

 

[Foppa2118]

From Injury Thread:

I'd personally prefer another LD Dman over a 3C. Call me crazy, but I just don't trust CDH in any situation right now. I wish Bednar would leave Ivan² there, and put Kelly back on the 4th line.

CDH will cost us more goals playing LD as our #6 defenseman, than Kelly or Ivan² at 3C. More offense is always welcomed, but we need to prevent goals too.

I think they should just move Colton back to 3C. I don't think they have the assets or the cap space to add a reputable 3C and a D man. Especially after giving up assets in their goalie trades recently.

I think a big part of why he played wing this year was they were so shorthanded, and they like to have a good top 6 that can score. Even if it's top heavy. They always have.

I also think they wanted to get Mitts going, since they played well together before. They're starting to get some guys back though, so they may not need Colton there.

Colton may or may not be better at wing, but he has still played some good games at center for this team. His good first half of last year, and all the games with Wood and LOC, he played center.

 

[AvsFan4]

Wonder who that defenseman is we’re after. We’ve come to learn they like to get stacked up back there for deep runs. So it could be a top 4 quality player that ends up on our third pair. Or maybe it’s just a solid third pair guy. Really liked the Sean Walker pickup out of nowhere (at the time) but he simply didn’t mesh when I thought that would be kind of a seamless adaptation. Also know they don’t want to go too long on term unless we get retention but then that means paying more in assets in which we aren’t exactly flush. So, possible guys;

M.Pettersson - Would probly cost a lot. But think his defensive abilities would be a huge addition.

J.Oleksiak - Expensive third pair guy. Would need retention. But man he would be what Middleton tries to be and brings something we desperately need. I’m a caveman I guess and like someone who doesn’t take shit from anyone.

D.Savard - classic case of Avs always get their guy no matter how long we’ve been connected to them. He’s kind of going downhill so really hope it’s not him.

 

[Foppa2118]

I don’t want us to forget that Toews is likely dealing with an injury. I believe early in the season, Bednar said that it’s not going away any time soon (sic).

I get that this year’s results are not as good, but last season Toews put up 50 points, and (even though no one wants to acknowledge it) his defense partner was shitty defensively for chunks of the season.

I don't think they should or will trade Toews any time soon, but he's played a lot of sub par games defensively since the Cup year. A lot of lost coverage and net front mistakes.

Injuries have probably affected his play this year, but I don't think he's been injured the whole time.

A lot of 2022-23. Most of 2023-24 outside like Jan-March after he called out the new players. Some this year as well, though I think he's been better lately.

It's a bigger issue because he plays such an important top pair role on the team, and he's supposed to be a bit of a safety net for Cale to play more aggressively offensively. If Toews was in a 2nd pair role, where he could be more of the offensive guy on the pair, I don't think it would be a big issue.

 

[sethro109]

From Injury Thread:




I think they should just move Colton back to 3C. I don't think they have the assets or the cap space to add a reputable 3C and a D man. Especially after giving up assets in their goalie trades recently.

I think a big part of why he played wing this year was they were so shorthanded, and they like to have a good top 6 that can score. Even if it's top heavy. They always have.

I also think they wanted to get Mitts going, since they played well together before. They're starting to get some guys back though, so they may not need Colton there.

Colton may or may not be better at wing, but he has still played some good games at center for this team. His good first half of last year, and all the games with Wood and LOC, he played center.

He's absolutely been better at wing. He was showing legit top 6 talent at win before his injury. If you can get a top 6 wingers @4.5, that's pretty good value. It's hard to know how well the 3rd line will be when everyone is healthy again. Last year we had to run a second line of Wood - Colton - LoC and it did look really good until LoC went down. And if Landy comes back, who knows what the lines will be, but I'd assume then, that Colton will definitely be back on the 3rd line.

 

[Foppa2118]

He's absolutely been better at wing. He was showing legit top 6 talent at win before his injury. If you can get a top 6 wingers @4.5, that's pretty good value. It's hard to know how well the 3rd line will be when everyone is healthy again. Last year we had to run a second line of Wood - Colton - LoC and it did look really good until LoC went down. And if Landy comes back, who knows what the lines will be, but I'd assume then, that Colton will definitely be back on the 3rd line.

I think my point was more that the team may be better with him at 3C than him at wing.

How much of him being better is having a year under his belt to know the team and it's systems too? It's at least a little of both.

We've seen multiple guys play much better in their 2nd season with the team than their first.

It's also a small sample of success at wing this year. Almost all of his offense this year, outside the one goal/point against NJ came in his first 10 games before he got injured.

He's a very inconsistent player offensively. He had a great start last year at center too. If you leave him at wing all year, there's a decent chance he'd regress to the mean again.

 

[VikingAv]

Wonder who that defenseman is we’re after. We’ve come to learn they like to get stacked up back there for deep runs. So it could be a top 4 quality player that ends up on our third pair. Or maybe it’s just a solid third pair guy. Really liked the Sean Walker pickup out of nowhere (at the time) but he simply didn’t mesh when I thought that would be kind of a seamless adaptation. Also know they don’t want to go too long on term unless we get retention but then that means paying more in assets in which we aren’t exactly flush. So, possible guys;

M.Pettersson - Would probly cost a lot. But think his defensive abilities would be a huge addition.

J.Oleksiak - Expensive third pair guy. Would need retention. But man he would be what Middleton tries to be and brings something we desperately need. I’m a caveman I guess and like someone who doesn’t take shit from anyone.

D.Savard - classic case of Avs always get their guy no matter how long we’ve been connected to them. He’s kind of going downhill so really hope it’s not him.

UFA LHD from likely sellers are Provorov from CBJ, Martinez in Chicago, Dumoulin in Anaheim and Määttä and our old friend Ian Cole in Utah, in addition to Pettersson who you mentioned.

Another possibilty could be Ryan Lindgren if the Rags decide to make more changes to their tire fire.

I expect Provorov and Pettersson to be the most expensive of them.

 

[Foppa2118]

Also 5 of Colton's 10 points, and 4 of his 9 goals, have come on the power play.

He's averaged almost twice as much PP time this year. 2:39 vs 1:25 last year.

 

[expatriatedtexan]

Hold Landy out...

JD-MacK-Rants
RosCo-Mitts-Nuke
Lehky-Parker-LOC
Kivi-Ivan-Wood

Toews-Makar
G-Manson
CDH-Malinski

Blackwood
Wedgewood

extra: Kylington

This lineup costs 83,496,000, so there is still 4.5M to do upgrades, right? Ideally, I'd want both a 3C upgrade and a physical, defensive LD. Then just insert Landy into the lineup once the playoffs start whereever he fits best.

I think we've got the assets to pull it off.

 

[missionAvs]

Hold Landy out...

JD-MacK-Rants
RosCo-Mitts-Nuke
Lehky-Parker-LOC
Kivi-Ivan-Wood

Toews-Makar
G-Manson
CDH-Malinski

Blackwood
Wedgewood

extra: Kylington

This lineup costs 83,496,000, so there is still 4.5M to do upgrades, right? Ideally, I'd want both a 3C upgrade and a physical, defensive LD. Then just insert Landy into the lineup once the playoffs start whereever he fits best.

I think we've got the assets to pull it off.

Either hold Landy out or bring him back, acquire a depth LD, and let Toews sit on IR until the playoffs to nurse whatever injury he's dealing with. I'm kind of in favor of that latter scenario if he's able to make a push before the playoffs. That way, he can get some miles in before the rough and tumble part of the year starts.

 

[Foppa2118]

Hold Landy out...

JD-MacK-Rants
RosCo-Mitts-Nuke
Lehky-Parker-LOC
Kivi-Ivan-Wood

Toews-Makar
G-Manson
CDH-Malinski

Blackwood
Wedgewood

extra: Kylington

This lineup costs 83,496,000, so there is still 4.5M to do upgrades, right? Ideally, I'd want both a 3C upgrade and a physical, defensive LD. Then just insert Landy into the lineup once the playoffs start whereever he fits best.

I think we've got the assets to pull it off.

I say re-unite the Wood-Colton-LOC line and let them work though it. I think that was objectively the best 3rd line on the Avs in 20 years since the KGB line in 03-04.

They were great consistently game in and game out too until LOC got hurt. It wasn't a fluke.

LOC hasn't quite been the same so far this year (it's early after his hip surgery though) and Wood and Colton have both been hurt, but I think you have to try them again if they all get healthy.

It would make the team so much better if they could play like last year, and would solve so many problems, and prevent the need for another trade, which they may not have the cap space or assets to do anyway.

Then in the playoffs start Gabe on the 4th line and let him work his way up the lineup if he can.

D core may still have some issues depending on who they trade for, and how guys like Toews and Girard play in the playoffs, but if that 3rd line plays well, I think they can win again with this group below.

Drouin - MacK - Val
Lehky - Mitts - Mikko
Wood - Colton - LOC
Landy - Parker - Kivi

Toews - Makar
Girard - Manson
LD - Malinski

Blackwood
Wedgewood

 

[BobRossColton]

Either hold Landy out or bring him back, acquire a depth LD, and let Toews sit on IR until the playoffs to nurse whatever injury he's dealing with. I'm kind of in favor of that latter scenario if he's able to make a push before the playoffs. That way, he can get some miles in before the rough and tumble part of the year starts.

Go get Petterson and move toews to IR


Petterson Makar
Girard Manson
CDH Malinski

 

[LTCPain75]

What's Kylington's injury???

 

[Fantast100]

Some wounding. Landeskog wounded.

 

[hockeyfish]

What's Kylington's injury???

Somewhere in between a paper cut and dead.

 

[missionAvs]

Go get Petterson and move toews to IR


Petterson Makar
Girard Manson
CDH Malinski

Let's make it happen brother guy. I'll make the PowerPoint, you make the phone call to Sleepy CMac.

 

[BobRossColton]

Let's make it happen brother guy. I'll make the PowerPoint, you make the phone call to Sleepy CMac.

I'll at least start the
Petterson
Petterson
Petterson

 

[expatriatedtexan]

What's Kylington's injury???

It's an undisclosed upper body injury. Out until after Christmas according to CBS. I'm not sure what others are using, but they've been the best I've seen. Would like to know if there is a better source.